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01/15/2005 12:46:47 AM · #51 |
Here is a fairly accurate website about age of consent for all countries and all states. It was recommended in a training seminar I attended last year, ironically, about Texas laws surrounding sexual assault, age of consent, and adolescent sexual behavior. It is updated fairly regularly, and contains links to various sources of even more current information for each country or state. This might shed some light on all the figures being tossed around as far as age of consent goes.
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01/15/2005 12:52:00 AM · #52 |
I think the same penalty should be imposed no matter if it's a male teacher and a female student, female teacher and a male student, male teacher and a male student, or a female teacher and a female student.
I think those that believe no harm was done are mistaken. Sex is not about the male conquest of a female, and a high-five on a "score" is irresponsible. Would you high-five the same fourteen year old boy if he were having sex with your fourteen year old daughter? We spend taxpayer dollars for educators to teach young people about the values of abstinence and responsibility. Evidently this "teacher" never instructed, nor attended one of those classes.
I feel it is it wrong for an adult to have sex with a child, regardless of their gender or sexuality. Give this teacher the same penalty you would give Michael Jackson, should he be convicted. |
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01/15/2005 12:55:33 AM · #53 |
Originally posted by garrywhite2:
I think the same penalty should be imposed no matter if it's a male teacher and a female student, female teacher and a male student, male teacher and a male student, or a female teacher and a female student.
I think those that believe no harm was done are mistaken. Sex is not about the male conquest of a female, and a high-five on a "score" is irresponsible. Would you high-five the same fourteen year old boy if he were having sex with your fourteen year old daughter? We spend taxpayer dollars for educators to teach young people about the values of abstinence and responsibility. Evidently this "teacher" never instructed, nor attended one of those classes.
I feel it is it wrong for an adult to have sex with a child, regardless of their gender or sexuality. Give this teacher the same penalty you would give Michael Jackson, should he be convicted. |
The high five situation I mentioned was a reference to the universal public, not my personal opinion.
I too, feel it is wrong for an adult to have sex with a child. My point was just that society has a way of twisting it to make it acceptable when the male is underage, and the assulter is female.
EDIT: If I had a fourteen year old daughter having sex with a fourteen year old male, I would do nothing short of hunting him down.
Message edited by author 2005-01-15 00:57:51. |
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01/15/2005 01:17:07 AM · #54 |
| Any teacher having sex with any student regadless of age should at least have their teaching certificate revoked and not allowed to teach again. we had the same senario here (NZ) last year and the female teacher got jail time. It horrfies me to see this trivialised in this forum. Any teacher who steps over the bounderiesc should be out. Period. |
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01/15/2005 02:01:00 AM · #55 |
I confess that when I was in 11th grade, at the age of 16, I had a HUGE crush on my economics teacher. He was just downright sexy...and almost 40 years old..older than my parents were then. I used to flirt like there was no tomorrow but unfortunatly he never payed much attention. Had he responded well to my signals, we would have probably gotten it on. Now that I've unveiled myself as a little skank...(just kidding)my point is.....it's not always the teacher that inniciates things and the younger students are not always oh so innocent. As youngsters we are unavoidably attracted to older people because we think they are so much more mature and wordly. It never occured to me at that age that I had nothing to offer a much older man and that why in the name of god would they ever find in a such a young person.
On the other hand, now that I am in my ..cough....mid twenties...cough, I see some high school guys and I think "Oh my god! What have they been feeding these kids????" They look much older and to be honestly, some of them are very attractive BUT...I would never ever ever even think about going any further than that. First because I like my freedom and I don't wanna go to jail and second because what could a 16 year old offer me in the long run?.....and I'm still attracted to older men....I guess I haven't grown out of that one.
Just my 2 cents.
June
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01/15/2005 02:04:21 AM · #56 |
June,
Your (or any student's) attraction to the teacher isn't an issue; the teacher taking advantage of it, that's an issue. A major one.
Robt.
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01/15/2005 03:38:05 AM · #57 |
Rape: Act of violence in wich a man imposes sexual intercourse with penatration on another person, against that person's will.
Women cannot commit rape. Period. What that teacher did may be wrong, may be immoral, but it's not rape.
That cannot even be considered pedophilia. Pedophilia is the tendencie to have sexual attraction to children. At 14, that's past puberty. Not a child anymore. And I would say the same thing of a grown adult man having sex with a 14 year old. Don't get me wrong, I think of it as immoral. I just think before we put tags to describe human behevior, we should know what they implie.
Personnaly, I think that's story is quite funny. Why? I truly believe no one was hurt expept the mother of the boy (and that now hurts the teacher since she will be prosecuded for that). Why? Because woman see sex differently as men do. Practiced in a loving relationship, paradoxicaly, it's the best way to connect with your partner.
In the opposed situation where a male teacher would be having sex with a teenage girl, I would not find it so funny. I would be disgusted. It's a double-standard, I agree. But it cannot be dealt with the same way because psychological outcomes are very different.
Boy gets sex from female teacher. He will feel proud to get some action from a hot (I don't know if she was hot or not but assume she was...) experienced woman.
Girl gets sex from male teacher. She will feel used and abused. She will feel embarresssed to have placed her trust in him... (because he sould have known they would get in trouble if anybody should find out).
But then, I bet it happens all the time (male teachers having sex with teenage students). In fact I know it happens for having heard from girls who told me about relationships with older (25-35 year olds) men they had while they were in their teen years. This one girl I know, still talks about it with a smile so much she had a good time with him. I couldn't really understand because I was raised being told that it was wrong.
Sex is probably the toughest thing to discuss rationnaly since it involves so many (opposing) feelings.
Edit: Typos out!
Message edited by author 2005-01-15 03:47:12.
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01/15/2005 04:00:57 AM · #58 |
I'm just wondering if she gave him gold stars...
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01/15/2005 05:33:13 AM · #59 |
Originally posted by GoldBerry:
I concur. Women always think guys are way deeper than they actually are. Women associate an emotional connection with sex while men just like to have orgasms.
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There aren't many statements that I flippantly disregard as stupid, but this is one.
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01/15/2005 05:34:54 AM · #60 |
Originally posted by _Armadildo_:
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Originally posted by thewriterside:
And yes, a 14 year old does have the abiltiy to consent. |
Not legally. |
Depends in what country... Legal age for sex has been abolished in Canada a few years back... |
Huh? What books are you reading? Consent from a 14 year old doesn't give any adult the right to have sex with him/her in Canada.
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01/15/2005 05:37:21 AM · #61 |
Originally posted by zeuszen:
The original post and thread title pose this as a question. From the facts of the incident as given and discussed here, I do not see any need for legal intervention. The purpose of law is not to limit individual liberties, but to prevent and curb harm. As I said, I see no harm done.
Just because you and, possibly, others find someone's conduct 'wrong, sick and wrong', is no reason I have to.
The more numerous the laws, the more corrupt the state.
-Tacitus |
I disagree...in some countries in Eastern Europe, young boys consent to prostitution to help the family buy food and rich men gleefully book appointments on the internet to have some fun with them. No harm done?
Sorry, that makes no sense to me.
Message edited by author 2005-01-15 05:37:56.
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01/15/2005 06:08:54 AM · #62 |
Originally posted by garrywhite2:
I think the same penalty should be imposed no matter if it's a male teacher and a female student, female teacher and a male student, male teacher and a male student, or a female teacher and a female student.
I think those that believe no harm was done are mistaken. Sex is not about the male conquest of a female, and a high-five on a "score" is irresponsible. Would you high-five the same fourteen year old boy if he were having sex with your fourteen year old daughter? |
But we're not talking about someone's daughter. Humans have a tendency to care about the sex lives of their loved ones (with good intentions, but not always appropriate) . You can't be rational with this kind of comparison.
Originally posted by garrywhite2:
I feel it is it wrong for an adult to have sex with a child, regardless of their gender or sexuality. Give this teacher the same penalty you would give Michael Jackson, should he be convicted. |
That's different. That's pedophilia.
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01/15/2005 08:05:28 AM · #63 |
Originally posted by TechnoShroom:
My thought is... I don't think it's physically possible for me to have sex in the back of an Isuzu Rodeo without getting a cramp or spraining something. |
lol at 6 feet tall I have done it in the back of a Hyundai Exel and had no problems. What would be your choice in automobiles to have sex in???
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01/15/2005 11:15:16 AM · #64 |
Maybach, for sure :-)
Robt.
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01/15/2005 11:26:19 AM · #65 |
I've been trying to figure something out so I might as well just ask you, what do you think is the bigger issue here, the fact that she was his teacher of the fact that she was 23?
June
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01/15/2005 11:33:52 AM · #66 |
That she was his teacher, for sure. It's a gross abuse of her position.
Robt.
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01/15/2005 11:45:48 AM · #67 |
Originally posted by bear_music:
That she was his teacher, for sure. It's a gross abuse of her position.
Robt. |
Pun intended? |
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01/15/2005 11:46:07 AM · #68 |
Originally posted by notonline:
Originally posted by TechnoShroom:
My thought is... I don't think it's physically possible for me to have sex in the back of an Isuzu Rodeo without getting a cramp or spraining something. |
lol at 6 feet tall I have done it in the back of a Hyundai Exel and had no problems. What would be your choice in automobiles to have sex in??? |
1953 Hudson Hornet.
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01/15/2005 11:47:32 AM · #69 |
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01/15/2005 11:49:54 AM · #70 |
Originally posted by bear_music:
No. |
Sorry... just had to pick on ya a little. |
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01/15/2005 12:01:45 PM · #71 |
As a female teacher I am horrified and disgusted by this woman's behavior. Parents trust us with their children. We are in positions of authority. To engage in anything sexual, even inappropriate jokes and coversations, is a violation of our position and the law. If it were a male teacher and a female student we wouldn't even be having this conversation.
There are so many videos and pornograpic displays of female teachers involved sexually with students that it sets up students to believe that a sexual relationship is a possibility. Which sucks, but to show even the slightest sexual interest in a student is, IMO, a violation. I actually had a male teacher announce in front of a number of students in the lunch room that he did a poll of the high school boys and of all the females in the school, students and teachers, the boys found me the "hottest." I was LIVID. It did a lot to sabotage my authority. Now, not only were movies and videos making me a possibility so was my peer. It was unadulterated B.S.
IMHO no matter how strongly a student comes on to a teacher, it is that teacher's responsibility to back him off and tell him NO in no uncertain terms. It is NO accomplishment to have a teenage boy sexually interested in you. HE is interested in just about any female at 14 if that is his sexual leaning.
edited for typos
Message edited by author 2005-01-15 12:40:04. |
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01/15/2005 12:07:43 PM · #72 |
What KDO said.
(I taught in public school for 8 years, 5 of them at the high school level. There is no excuse whatsoever for a teacher of either sex to have sexual relations with students of either sex. And, furthermore, I would go on to say that she would have been out of line had he been a 19 yo Senior in High School. It simply is not professional.)
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01/15/2005 12:27:38 PM · #73 |
Originally posted by grandmarginal:
Rape: Act of violence in wich a man imposes sexual intercourse with penatration on another person, against that person's will.
Women cannot commit rape. Period. What that teacher did may be wrong, may be immoral, but it's not rape.
That cannot even be considered pedophilia. Pedophilia is the tendencie to have sexual attraction to children. At 14, that's past puberty. Not a child anymore. And I would say the same thing of a grown adult man having sex with a 14 year old. Don't get me wrong, I think of it as immoral. I just think before we put tags to describe human behevior, we should know what they implie.
Personnaly, I think that's story is quite funny. Why? I truly believe no one was hurt expept the mother of the boy (and that now hurts the teacher since she will be prosecuded for that). Why? Because woman see sex differently as men do. Practiced in a loving relationship, paradoxicaly, it's the best way to connect with your partner.
In the opposed situation where a male teacher would be having sex with a teenage girl, I would not find it so funny. I would be disgusted. It's a double-standard, I agree. But it cannot be dealt with the same way because psychological outcomes are very different.
Boy gets sex from female teacher. He will feel proud to get some action from a hot (I don't know if she was hot or not but assume she was...) experienced woman.
Girl gets sex from male teacher. She will feel used and abused. She will feel embarresssed to have placed her trust in him... (because he sould have known they would get in trouble if anybody should find out).
But then, I bet it happens all the time (male teachers having sex with teenage students). In fact I know it happens for having heard from girls who told me about relationships with older (25-35 year olds) men they had while they were in their teen years. This one girl I know, still talks about it with a smile so much she had a good time with him. I couldn't really understand because I was raised being told that it was wrong.
Sex is probably the toughest thing to discuss rationnaly since it involves so many (opposing) feelings.
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Where did you get your definition.
This is the definition I am familiar with, as well as what is stated in dictionaries:
Rape:
Function: noun
unlawful sexual activity and usually sexual intercourse carried out forcibly or under threat of injury against the will usually of a female or with a person who is beneath a certain age or incapable of valid consent
In most cases, Yes, its a woman that gets raped. But, as stated, its not only applicable to women. So your definition of Woman can not commit rape is wrong.
And here is another definition:
Sexual Assault
Function: noun
: illegal sexual contact that usually involves force upon a person without consent or is inflicted upon a person who is incapable of giving consent (as because of age or physical or mental incapacity) or who places the assailant (as a doctor) in a position of trust or authority
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01/15/2005 12:37:56 PM · #74 |
| Semantics aside. It was wrong; it was illegal; it was a violation of the authority/client relationship. There is no place for it in our schools. If an adult female who is not in a position of authority decides to have sex with an underage male, then it may or may not be a violation depending on the state, situation, etc... But in our schools, between teachers and students, there is NO place for it. It is unacceptable. And who is to say that that teenage boy was not harmed. Only time will tell whether he will be able to establish a long-term, healthy relationship with a woman. |
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01/15/2005 12:41:52 PM · #75 |
A. 14 year olds (male or female) have no business engaging in sexual activities.
B. The woman abused her position of authority even if her partner was a willing participant.
C. A 14 y.o. (read ANY) male is very rarely going to turn down an oppurtunity for sex.
By no stretch of imagination could this relationship have been right or good for those involved. The boy was too immature to know what he really wanted (this might change over time). The woman (adult) should have known better to begin with. Even had she not been in a position of authority as a teacher, the relationship would have been wrong. Had she been thinking about the repurcussions she probably would not have gone through with it. If she really felt something for the boy, she would have waited rather than fulfilling her own selfish desires.
p.s. These days, if I wanted to have sex in a car, it would have to be a Winnebago. |
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