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11/09/2004 05:30:02 PM · #126 |
Originally posted by Rooster:
...are we really gonna ban borders? |
Nah. We just needed something to argue about... er, discuss. |
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11/09/2004 06:27:06 PM · #127 |
| Is this a poll or a vote? |
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11/09/2004 06:41:00 PM · #128 |
| Borders? Do we really think we can define borders? Governments and theologians have tried for ages and look where it got us! LOL |
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11/09/2004 06:51:01 PM · #129 |
No borders at all on challenge entries.
Some might say that some borders make the image stronger. I totally agree with that. But, a lot of things that could make an image stronger are not allowed. So why all the fuss about borders? Scrap it! |
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11/09/2004 07:04:06 PM · #130 |
Originally posted by xion:
No borders at all on challenge entries. |
Actually, that is the rule over at DigitalPhotoContest...
"Borders and Frames: No borders or frames shall be added to images prior to submission."
Talk about easy to understand and easy to enforce... =]
Message edited by author 2004-11-09 19:04:24. |
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11/09/2004 07:09:28 PM · #131 |
Originally posted by mk:
Originally posted by EddyG:
The point of my 'guidance' post was that it would remove one common source of "low votes" and "comment complaints". Voters would have to focus on other aspects of the actual photograph (like the things you mentioned)... and this site is supposed to be focused on photography not borders, right? |
We are forever saying two things: This site is about learning and the presentation of the photo matters. I think that learning how to present your photography properly is just as much about photography as what you do with the camera. Making the system fail-proof so that photographers don't have to learn and won't have to deal with low votes is doing them a disservice, not helping them out. |
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This is the best statement that I can imagine for not banning or restricting borders. Learning to present our work well is part of the skill set. Just as post-processing, which is also an integral part of the artistic process, borders can be overdone. I have full confidence in the voters to handle this, and I do not think it serves the site to have the SC pass judgement on borders. Again, if you value the power of your vote, you should vote "NO", IMO.
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11/09/2004 07:40:06 PM · #132 |
the poll left out the question as to whether or not borders should be done away with completely
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11/09/2004 07:45:45 PM · #133 |
My vote is to keep borders - All (simple) borders, including diptychs and triptychs and the like.
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11/09/2004 07:53:47 PM · #134 |
I had to insert this post from one of the admins, from 6/3/03:
Originally posted by drewmedia:
We've revised the border rule no less than five times to accommodate the constant controversy. In our last revision of the border rule, our goal was simple: cut out the controversy, use some common sense, and everyone should be happy. I can understand the confusion. Quite frankly, we could probably find holes in the rules all day long, but what we've come to realize in our year+ running this site is that we just have to try to use some common sense and take these things with a grain of salt...
Sorry for the delayed reply. I'm a busy boy these days :(
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11/09/2004 07:59:20 PM · #135 |
Originally posted by Anachronite:
the poll left out the question as to whether or not borders should be done away with completely |
That's because the site is not considering getting rid of borders. Canvassing of an issue is not the same as taking a vote or doing a referendum question.
If any change needs to occur, i support Ben's suggestion of adding a suggestion to the borders section and let the voters decide what flies and what doesn't. The less laws the better. People are continually complaining about SC decisions..why leave yet another up to the SC's "flawed" decision making? Let the voters speak in the challenges and let it be as mk and kirbic have stated: A learning process for all about presentation. We are in NO danger of falling into digital art due to the use of borders.
Also, Gordon is the most astute and lately, funniest guy on DPC.
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11/09/2004 08:05:11 PM · #136 |
| Three Cheers for Gordon ! |
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11/09/2004 08:08:39 PM · #137 |
Originally posted by graphicfunk:
Three Cheers for Gordon ! |
Hip, Hip... |
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11/09/2004 08:11:15 PM · #138 |
Originally posted by Gordon:
Originally posted by graphicfunk:
Three Cheers for Gordon ! |
Hip, Hip... |
Hop.
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11/09/2004 08:26:51 PM · #139 |
My past sins. |
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11/09/2004 09:42:52 PM · #140 |
Originally posted by ButterflySis:
My vote is to keep borders - All (simple) borders, including diptychs and triptychs and the like. |
Since when did a diptych or a tritych become a simple border. Borders go around the edge of something, as in international borders going around the end of a countrys territory.
Originally posted by frisca:
We are in NO danger of falling into digital art due to the use of borders. |
If a group of 17 adults can't figure out what is and is not a border maybe there is some danger lurking. Or maybe you all could just go to Washington and help out George W. He's got all these cabinet people quitting on him and you could fill all those vacancys en masse. |
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11/09/2004 10:48:41 PM · #141 |
Originally posted by MinAlex:
Originally posted by ButterflySis:
My vote is to keep borders - All (simple) borders, including diptychs and triptychs and the like. |
Since when did a diptych or a tritych become a simple border. Borders go around the edge of something, as in international borders going around the end of a countrys territory. |
When I say "simple" I mean filled with solid color...not all the other funky stuff people do with torn edges, corner pieces (I forget what they're called), fake frames (that are suppose to resemble real frames), etc...
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11/10/2004 01:02:04 AM · #142 |
So it's okay for us to add colors that didn't exist to an image to enhance the image, but it's not okay to add a creative border to an image? I'm not sure I see the logic here. In both cases (RGB Smoke and Brad's entry) the additions were significant elements that are sure as heck pushing the limits on the rules.
Can somone explain to me why we are contemplating a rules change for one and not the other?
For the record I think Brad P is an evil, evil man. And I wish I'd thought of the idea first. :)
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11/10/2004 01:17:14 AM · #143 |
amen sister!
I mean...you raise a good issue worthy of serious consideration.
Originally posted by blemt:
So it's okay for us to add colors that didn't exist to an image to enhance the image, but it's not okay to add a creative border to an image? I'm not sure I see the logic here. In both cases (RGB Smoke and Brad's entry) the additions were significant elements that are sure as heck pushing the limits on the rules.
Can somone explain to me why we are contemplating a rules change for one and not the other?
For the record I think Brad P is an evil, evil man. And I wish I'd thought of the idea first. :)
Clara |
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11/10/2004 01:54:42 AM · #144 |
Originally posted by xion:
No borders at all on challenge entries.
Some might say that some borders make the image stronger. I totally agree with that. But, a lot of things that could make an image stronger are not allowed. So why all the fuss about borders? Scrap it! |
I agree. Let the content speak for itself. Kill borders altogether.
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11/10/2004 02:12:21 AM · #145 |
Originally posted by PerezDesignGroup:
Originally posted by xion:
No borders at all on challenge entries.
Some might say that some borders make the image stronger. I totally agree with that. But, a lot of things that could make an image stronger are not allowed. So why all the fuss about borders? Scrap it! |
I agree. Let the content speak for itself. Kill borders altogether. |
I agree no borders no arguments. And if people really want borders maybe we could have a challenge with borders.
Message edited by author 2004-11-10 02:12:37. |
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11/10/2004 02:15:03 AM · #146 |
People already wanted borders and voted for them and that's why (well, one of several reasons) we have them.
No one is forced to use them, and you are free to adjust your vote depending on whether or not you think the border enhances the photo. |
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11/10/2004 02:27:17 AM · #147 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
People already wanted borders and voted for them and that's why (well, one of several reasons) we have them.
No one is forced to use them, and you are free to adjust your vote depending on whether or not you think the border enhances the photo. |
The problem is that a border is another grey area where people will continue to push the rules and I would imagine after this episode you will receive a lot more DQ request in the future for shots with borders.
Keep it simple and everyone understands what they can and can't do.
Also how long ago was the poll on borders and how many new members since then? |
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11/10/2004 02:56:08 AM · #148 |
For the record, this evil, evil man did not use any borders in any of the current or upcoming challenges.
(now back into hiding...)
LOL
Message edited by author 2004-11-10 02:56:26.
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11/10/2004 03:01:22 AM · #149 |
Originally posted by keegbow:
Originally posted by GeneralE:
People already wanted borders and voted for them and that's why (well, one of several reasons) we have them.
No one is forced to use them, and you are free to adjust your vote depending on whether or not you think the border enhances the photo. |
The problem is that a border is another grey area where people will continue to push the rules and I would imagine after this episode you will receive a lot more DQ request in the future for shots with borders.
Keep it simple and everyone understands what they can and can't do.
Also how long ago was the poll on borders and how many new members since then? |
In reverse order ...
- Long ago and a lot!
- It IS simple -- you can use a border, and we wont DQ you unless you use clip art, text, or another photo.
- We may see a lot of DQ requests for the border, and we will continue to pretty much ignore them, as we do with DQ requests for photos which "do not meet the challenge" or lots of other things ...
Message edited by author 2004-11-10 03:02:04. |
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11/10/2004 03:03:05 AM · #150 |
Originally posted by BradP:
For the record, this evil, evil man did not use any borders in any of the current or upcoming challenges. |
Perhaps I should find your photo and embellish it a bit for you ... |
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