Conflict
by jmsetzler

Comment by GoldBerry:

Originally posted by jmsetzler: I think the only conflict I raised with this photo was with you :) I

I'm with beagleboy. However, to assume your picture ruined either of our days is just as pompous as you alluding in your second sentence that you are forever helping DPC'ers to come up to your self proclaimed level of photography [you chalk his statement up to inexperience on DPC, come on, you were holding back from really saying "no one here, would be where they are without me"].

Message edited by author 2004-03-04 15:33:54.

Conflict
by jmsetzler

Comment by jmsetzler:
That is correct. I choose to vote as if there is no challenge topic. That's my choice and I'm not trying to force that on anyone.

As for helping people, well, I will ignore that remark from you and chalk it up to your own inexperience and relative newness to this site.

I don't play for score here anymore. I have been there and done that. I have been outside my comfort zone during my learning process. If you want to call what I do 'lazy', feel free. I choose to photograph what makes me happy. I don't waste my own time shooting subject and topics that don't interest me anymore. I have done that to a very large extent during my learning process and participation here on this site. I did not get where I am now by not pandering to the vote. I have grown beyond the point of worrying too much about what other people think about my work.

I think the only conflict I raised with this photo was with you :) You obviously haven't read my original comment that I submitted with this photo or you would know that already. I don't think it meets the challenge either and never did.

I also encourage you to continue voting the way you do. Everyone should vote in their own manner and style. If you see a photo that deserves a 1, then give it a 1 :)

If I ruined your day by submitting this photo, the I apologize.

Conflict
by jmsetzler

Comment by Beagleboy:

Originally posted by jmsetzler: Originally posted by GoldBerry: Can't believe this finished so high, I gave it a 1 for not fitting the challenge, and so did 16 others. But people gave it 12 10's??!!!!!!!! Even YOU have to laugh at that! I didn't laugh. That means that there are at least 12 other people around here who vote the same way I do.

And what way would that be? Scoring a shot high even if it doesn't meet the challenge description in the slightest manner? An awesome panorama shot for a macro challenge? A clear, crisp studio shot of a 1967 GTO for a nature challenge? The family cat for every challenge?

That doesn't help anyone. People will just submit stuff that they are comfortable shooting, like you and your birds lately. People tend to be lazy, they shoot what is easy, close by, easy to pull off. People have to step outside their comfort zone if they really want to grow. Racking one's brain to find something that fits the challenge properly is part of the process. Copping out with a bird/cat/kid/whatever shots that has no reference to the challenge isn't worth much in the scope of the challenge structure of this site.

Oh, and I gave this a 1. You hand 1's out according to your point of view, I hand them out according to mine. You may have been trying to raise conflict with submitting such an image, just like Jacko did with his brown ribbon submission. In that case, well done.

Message edited by author 2004-03-04 14:14:11.

Silence
by jmsetzler

Comment by Rasai:
I love the sound a waterfall makes. The black & white works well in this picture. I would like to see the color verson if there was one.

Silence
by jmsetzler

Comment by gpierson:
beautiful, but rushing water seems exciting and noisy

Conflict
by jmsetzler

Comment by Artifacts:
I am always a little "conflicted" over an image like this, but not enough to give it a poor score.

The challenge topic really is only a guideline for taking pictures but most people probably believe no consideration to topic was given and they consider that important and so voted their conscience accordingly.

I was not one of the 12 that gave it a "10" because the upper beak and a couple breast feathers just below the neck were a little overexposed for my taste. But this is a great picture.

Silence
by jmsetzler

Comment by AFChris:
Nice shot, but my experience with waterfalls is not necessarily one of silence

The Gathering
by jmsetzler

Comment by peecee:
Wonderful photo, but no fire?

Silence
by jmsetzler

Comment by OceanHunter:
I like your use of a slow shutter to smooth the flow of water. The soft light on the water also works well.

The Gathering
by jmsetzler

Comment by shutterfly:
Nice photo, but no fire.