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by alanfreed

Comment by annig:
...and "that one" ...!

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Comment by annig:
and..."that one"...

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Comment by annig:
wow! looks just like Tina Fey!!!

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Comment by dassilem:
I only have to squint this much to see Russia

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Comment by kenskid:
Did you even read Obama's quote?

an additional doctor who then has to be called in an emergency situation to come in and make these assessments is really designed simply to burden the original decision of the woman and the physician to induce labor and perform an abortion

If a baby is born alive after a botched abortion "an additional doctor who then has to be called in....is really designed simply to BURDEN the original decision of the woman and the physician to induce labor and perform an abortion."

A doctor coming in to save the baby is infringing on the woman's right to an abortion.

You simply can not spin this any other way.

Originally posted by scalvert: Originally posted by kenskid: In other words...to save the baby that was born due to a botched abortion would infringe on the woman's right to choose. Simply put: no. From the Factcheck article you posted: "The main bills under discussion, SB 1082 and the federal BAIPA, are both definition bills. They are not about what can and should be done to babies; they are about how one defines "baby" in the first place. ...there are already laws in Illinois, which Obama has said he supports, that protect these children even when they are born as the result of an abortion."

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by alanfreed

Comment by scalvert:

Originally posted by kenskid: In other words...to save the baby that was born due to a botched abortion would infringe on the woman's right to choose.

Simply put: no. From the Factcheck article you posted: "The main bills under discussion, SB 1082 and the federal BAIPA, are both definition bills. They are not about what can and should be done to babies; they are about how one defines "baby" in the first place. ...there are already laws in Illinois, which Obama has said he supports, that protect these children even when they are born as the result of an abortion."

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Comment by kenskid:
Here is the exact quote:

Obama, Senate floor, 2002:

[A]dding a – an additional doctor who then has to be called in an emergency situation to come in and make these assessments is really designed simply to burden the original decision of the woman and the physician to induce labor and perform an abortion. â€Â¦ I think it’s important to understand that this issue ultimately is about abortion and not live births.

***kenskid***
this is public record...the full quote (before the [A]dding listed above) went something like:

If a baby is born alive and ...an additional doctor...

or If the fetus is delivered alive...an additional doctor....

but the full quote above is enough...it is saying that calling in another doctor (for the baby born alive) is REALLY DESIGNED SIMPLY TO BURDEN THE ORIGINAL DECISION OF THE WOMAN AND THE PHYSICIAN ...TO PERFORM AN ABORTION...

In other words...to save the baby that was born due to a botched abortion would infringe on the woman's right to choose.

See more here

Message edited by author 2008-10-21 14:35:29.

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Comment by kenskid:
I'll dig it up for you...it was recorded when he was a state senator. I heard it myself on a newsradio show...don't remember which one...I'll find it.

Originally posted by vxpra: Originally posted by kenskid: Don't call the doctor...leave the baby in the pan...calling another doctor in will infringe on the mother's right to choose. I didn't make it up....he said this. Odd, is this from an alternate reality. Can't find anything on this- Source please??? Or do you mean at one point or another in his life Obama has used all these words and you're just assembling them here? Just did a lexis-nexis search- nothing.

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Comment by vxpra:
In a moment that would go down as a turning point in the McCain campaign John declared. "You know what, even I am voting for Obama."

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Comment by one2one:
I wonder if anyone will smell that?