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Victoria Herbal Doctor
2nd PlaceVictoria Herbal Doctor
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Challenge: Environmental Portrait (Advanced Editing IV)
Camera: Canon EOS-20D
Lens: Tamron SP AF 28-75mm f/2.8 XR Di for Canon
Location: market
Date: May 12, 2006
Date Uploaded: May 12, 2006

thank you!! (pity about the title)

she is a herbal doctor, real seedy part
of town, had a few secs to take the
shot.

From the same place:
337526.jpg

Statistics
Place: 2 out of 190
Avg (all users): 7.2685
Avg (commenters): 7.6400
Avg (participants): 7.3056
Avg (non-participants): 7.2500
Views since voting: 10719
Views during voting: 364
Votes: 216
Comments: 66
Favorites: 12 (view)


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05/26/2006 02:10:22 PM
Great eyes, lovely image , congrats.
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05/25/2006 07:54:05 PM
Congratulations... great job... :)
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05/25/2006 11:48:56 AM
You sure are racking up these ribbons! Congrats on another win!
Great photo!
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05/24/2006 02:27:32 PM
Again :) congrats. Victoria sure uses scary herbs.
Whoa.. imagine taking a dash of vulture. ;)
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05/24/2006 12:11:13 PM
Needless to say, I think it's excellent.... and the voters have spoken. Well done again :)
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05/23/2006 11:56:08 PM
well i could start mud slinging but i wont. maybe just a little.

everyone is entitled to their own opinion, true, why wait till the
challenge is over to voice them?

anyway this thread is going on ignore now, fire away.

Message edited by author 2006-05-24 01:24:46.
05/23/2006 06:50:40 PM
Originally posted by BradP:

Never seems to end around these parts when some want to attack and nit-pick great image - sheesh.
The credibility of the photographer comes under scrutiny as to what the environment was/wasn't here, and if it was titled as a Victoria Herbal Doctor, then so be it.
None of us were there and if this is the environment the subject was represented, then so be it.
I applaud Lesley for retaining her composure once again under fire and shame on some in the community for the public derogatory comments concerning this truly outstanding portrait.


This is also one of the reasons more and more people *aren't* commenting. Because if they have a different opinion, they are jumped on.
Is this a great environmental portrait? Perhaps. Majority thinks so, but it is still art, and in that context, cutter has as much right to think the way he does as the 100 people that think otherwise. It seems to me that more energy is spent putting commenters down sometimes than it is spent commenting.. which is a vicious cycle.
Cutter had an opinion and concern, he voiced it. Either agree or don't agree, but there really isn't anything *derogatory* in the comment, and "truly outstanding portrait" is subjective.

We need to embrace the diversity of the people on DPC and how they view our works.. not only for the people that finish low or middle-ground, but also for the people that finish high. Even the highest scoring image in the world is going to have people that dislike it, and for perfectly valid reasons. It's time to stop hating commentors that don't fit into the "wow, great shot" mold on every ribbon winner.
05/23/2006 01:43:47 PM
Never seems to end around these parts when some want to attack and nit-pick great image - sheesh.
The credibility of the photographer comes under scrutiny as to what the environment was/wasn't here, and if it was titled as a Victoria Herbal Doctor, then so be it.
None of us were there and if this is the environment the subject was represented, then so be it.
I applaud Lesley for retaining her composure once again under fire and shame on some in the community for the public derogatory comments concerning this truly outstanding portrait.
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05/23/2006 11:56:45 AM
05/23/2006 10:26:59 AM
Although the shot is ribbon worthy, I agree with cutter on the facts of his case. This is a woman standing in front of sacks. Could have had the title "sack stacker" or "sack folder".



good point, that would have solved everything.
funny how some people worked it out.
05/23/2006 10:41:07 AM
I love it as every your photo. Congrats goodman, you are great!
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05/23/2006 10:26:59 AM
Although the shot is ribbon worthy, I agree with cutter on the facts of his case. This is a woman standing in front of sacks. Could have had the title "sack stacker" or "sack folder".

Originally posted by Cutter:

The thing that concerns me with this picture is the fact there is absolutely nothing that would assist me in understanding she is an "herbal doctor". So as an environmental portrait, I believe this is a failure...In light of challenge description of framework of the subject's environs, all I gather is she likes to stand in front of sacks...Any one else see this?
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05/23/2006 07:53:11 AM
Great portrait and well deserved red ribbon. Congratulations!
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05/23/2006 01:17:18 AM
Originally posted by Cutter:

The thing that concerns me with this picture is the fact there is absolutely nothing that would assist me in understanding she is an "herbal doctor". So as an environmental portrait, I believe this is a failure...In light of challenge description of framework of the subject's environs, all I gather is she likes to stand in front of sacks...Any one else see this?


No...I don't see this at all. In fact I'm quite certain it doesn't matter whether or not YOU get it at all. The *point* of the environmental portrait genre is that it's a portrait, shot in the subjects' natural environment. It clearly says that the portrait should say something about the SUBJECT in the framework of their environment, not necessarily about the environment itself.
It's these types of (mis)interpretations that frustrate the hell out of me when it comes to DP.

I see a very good technical portrait, set in her natural environment. it speaks to me about her, and in that - it is a success. standing in front of sacks may well be the point.

P
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05/22/2006 11:36:07 PM
The thing that concerns me with this picture is the fact there is absolutely nothing that would assist me in understanding she is an "herbal doctor". So as an environmental portrait, I believe this is a failure...In light of challenge description of framework of the subject's environs, all I gather is she likes to stand in front of sacks...Any one else see this?
05/22/2006 10:17:30 PM
You continue to impress me with your work. Well done.
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05/22/2006 08:20:36 PM
you shoot nothing but amazing images, congrats
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05/22/2006 05:05:53 PM
Heeey that's number 7 this year! You are starting to worry me :)
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05/22/2006 11:57:27 AM
Awesome job, you caught her spirt.
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05/22/2006 10:59:56 AM
Congratulations on the red. Great shot!
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05/22/2006 07:41:22 AM
great environment. love the shot. congrats on the ribbon
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05/22/2006 06:04:12 AM
Well done on your Ribbon, excellent pic! I can just smell that market in Durban!
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05/22/2006 05:26:37 AM
This is very cool. Congrats for the red!
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05/22/2006 04:33:03 AM
Can´t say I am surprised this ribboned, congrats :)
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05/22/2006 03:36:49 AM
Great shot, Lesley! The ribbon goes well with her outfit.
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05/22/2006 03:30:57 AM
Congrats Lesley. Brilliant work as always.
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05/22/2006 02:53:50 AM
Amazing portrait, Lesley. Congrats!
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05/22/2006 02:41:38 AM
Love her sweet smile. A really fantastic image. Congrats on the red.
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05/22/2006 02:04:45 AM
Completely loved this from the start.. knew it was yours as well ;)

Congratulations L. it was a beautiful capture :)
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05/22/2006 01:18:34 AM
Oh this is wonderful!!!! I had another one picked as being probably yours, but this one is amazing as always!
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05/22/2006 12:57:02 AM
Congrats on your ribbon, Lesley!
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05/22/2006 12:53:18 AM
Congrats on a great job!
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05/22/2006 12:37:28 AM
amazing shot!
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05/22/2006 12:32:36 AM
congrats lesley, great image
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05/22/2006 12:21:13 AM
Woohoo! great job lesley ;) I am sure glad you're on our team ;)
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05/22/2006 12:20:27 AM
YIPPEE!!! Victoria brought you a ribbon. I love it.
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05/22/2006 12:17:04 AM
big border, big border.
Congratulations.
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05/22/2006 12:11:35 AM
I said during voting that I hoped you finished in the top 5...well done on the red ribbon Lesley! Yet another masterpiece image...great celebrations for SA!!!
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05/22/2006 12:10:58 AM
You make it all look so easy.
Congrats!!
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 Comments Made During the Challenge
05/21/2006 02:00:21 PM
Stunning image, the contrast and colors are perfect.
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05/21/2006 12:24:07 PM
great shot, nice colours
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05/20/2006 12:02:06 AM
Great job on the lighting and contrast. Very sharp focus as well.
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05/19/2006 04:14:30 PM
Well done, fantastic texture and colours.
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05/19/2006 03:52:17 PM
Great light, great exposure
I don't seem to be able to cast a vote - there is no vote scale available - I would give it an 8.
JP
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05/18/2006 10:59:24 AM
what an amazing shot!love this one. Goodman? (10)
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05/18/2006 09:55:30 AM
Uh Oh! Do I smell a ribbon..Third-World-A-Licious!!!
Good Luck!
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05/18/2006 07:42:34 AM
Pretty cool, love the lighting/post processing. Definately one of the better shots in the challenge, worth an 8 from me.
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05/17/2006 10:02:17 PM
Simply put...excellent work.
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05/17/2006 08:30:58 PM
Outstanding details and wonderful light (especially in her eyes). I would be interested in seeing this full frame. I find environmental protraits often work better in full frame.
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05/17/2006 06:46:29 AM
I like the shot and it fits the topic well but the border is too heavy, half as wide would have looked better to me.
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05/16/2006 05:50:15 PM
more environment...

after vote:

congrats on the ribbon. My comment was because I wished there was more environment in the photo as I couldn't tell what was going on.

Message edited by author 2006-05-22 08:04:24.
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05/16/2006 05:35:37 PM
Lovely expression. Meets challenge well.
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05/16/2006 04:22:55 PM
I think there's excessive dodging on her face, otherwise it's great! love the lighting.
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05/16/2006 12:02:44 PM
You know what else you do Leslie, square crops. I think you are big on those. Excellent portrait, but I'm not sure without the title I could have guessed much about her. I would have guessed cook with the white on her face being flour. 6
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05/16/2006 10:59:17 AM
GREAT photo. The background area is awesome ! I would like to see her face a little more in focus. This is a nice photo.
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05/16/2006 08:58:00 AM
I like the image, but the border is much to strong.....
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05/16/2006 08:15:31 AM
She looks like an interesting person :o) Great colors, sharp and beautiful.
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05/16/2006 07:48:39 AM
Very nicely done. Great portrait.
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05/16/2006 01:42:07 AM
well photographed - crisp, colors are nice but looking at the photo, I have no idea what this person does or where she does it.
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05/15/2006 04:18:27 PM
I don't think I'll take any of her skin-care remedies
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05/15/2006 12:54:17 PM
very powerful image. good luck :) 8
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05/15/2006 11:29:44 AM
I like the feeling expression - the communication between photographer and subject is calm and pleasant making the image nice to look at.
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05/15/2006 09:39:14 AM
works for me, 8
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05/15/2006 05:38:20 AM
excellent...love the contrast and pose...I hope you finish in the top 5
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05/15/2006 01:57:17 AM
did it only like a goodman can!
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05/15/2006 12:48:06 AM
Stunning. The red of her pinafore just JUMPS out. Love her expression - it has such a kindness. Love it!
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05/15/2006 12:43:18 AM
Great photo! I'm sure this will be in the top 5!
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