Happenings in Iraq - DPChallenge Forums

Canon EF 70-200mm f/2.8L IS USM

08/04/2005 09:11:17 PM · #1

Here are the things you don't hear about in the news...

IRAQ RECONSTRUCTION

Since the transfer of sovereignty in Iraq, over 2,700 construction projects have started and over 1,580 have been completed.

The following projects are scheduled, in progress or completed nationwide in Iraq:

- 340 electrical distribution projects planned; 27 ongoing; 26 complete
- 29 hospitals planned; 18 ongoing; 10 complete
- 158 primary healthcare facilities planned; 146 ongoing; 9 complete
- 98 railroad station projects planned; 32 ongoing; 63 complete
- 264 border fort projects planned; 157 ongoing; 86 complete
- 839 schools planned; 65 ongoing; 678 complete
- 367 water treatment projects planned; 84 ongoing; 114 complete
- 22 prison and court projects planned; 7 ongoing; 16 complete
- 34 water reservoir projects planned; 6 ongoing; 21 complete

In July, the following construction projects began:

* The Iraqi military base project in Dahuk District consists of seven projects, of which, four are ongoing.

* There are six border fort projects planned for the Sharbazher District, of which five are currently ongoing.

* There are four electrical distribution projects in the Akre District, including one ongoing.

* The Ibn Al Athir maternity hospital in Mosul District is being completely overhauled. The facility will be a 200-bed medical facility when complete.

* The Tameem railroad station in Kirkuk District is being rehabilitated to meet freight storage and transportation needs. There are a total of five railroad station projects planned for this district.

* In the Tikrit District, there are four primary healthcare facilities programmed for construction which are all currently ongoing. There are also two primary healthcare facilities being built in the Khanaqin District.

* Three of five schools have been built in the Baladrooz District.

* The Buhriz bridge project will allow rural access to the east side the Diyala River, bypassing congestion at the Buhriz city bridge.

wewillexplore

Canon EOS-1D Mark II

08/04/2005 09:14:24 PM · #2

cool where'd you find that?

Tom

08/04/2005 09:16:05 PM · #3

My Aunt is a high-ranking officer over there

Makka

Canon EOS-5D Mark II

Canon EF 28-135mm F/3.5-5.6 IS USM

08/04/2005 09:19:08 PM · #4

It's great to see these things coming together, and no, we don't hear about these in the news. But there is still so much carnage. What a shame.

photodude

08/04/2005 09:20:17 PM · #5

That's all interesting but no matter what we do we can not overcome the fact that Iraq is really 3 countries - Kurds, Shiites and Sunnies. Early 20th century colonialism forced these seperate tribes into one nation which was held together essentially at gunpoint.

If not for the oil, the best solution would be allow them to all go their own way. But if they did that, who would get the oil?

I for one am not optimistic that democracy will settle this peacefully.

ClubJuggle

Canon EOS-400D Rebel XTi

08/04/2005 09:22:00 PM · #6

Tom,

I've taken the liberty of moving your post to the Rant folder.

I know your post isn't really a rant, but custom here is that when starting a thread of a political nature, it should be started in the Rant folder.

Just wanted to make you aware for future reference.

-Terry

Makka

Canon EOS-5D Mark II

08/04/2005 09:22:31 PM · #7

Originally posted by photodude:

Yeah. Very true! Maybe Saddam's way was the only way? Without the gun pointing at them will they tear themselves apart?

frychikn

Olympus C-5050Z

08/04/2005 11:34:47 PM · #8

Originally posted by Makka:

Originally posted by photodude:
That's all interesting but no matter what we do we can not overcome the fact that Iraq is really 3 countries - Kurds, Shiites and Sunnies. Early 20th century colonialism forced these seperate tribes into one nation which was held together essentially at gunpoint.

If not for the oil, the best solution would be allow them to all go their own way. But if they did that, who would get the oil?

I for one am not optimistic that democracy will settle this peacefully.

Yeah. Very true! Maybe Saddam's way was the only way? Without the gun pointing at them will they tear themselves apart?

Saddam's way was the only way? Of course, just look at history. I mean what the hell, Hitler stopped runaway currency inflation and Mussolini got the trains running on time..........

Canon EF-S 17-85mm f/4-5.6 IS USM

08/04/2005 11:50:08 PM · #9

The single most important statistic about Iraq today.

I guess that's just unfortunate for them and their families. Democracy has a price, I guess.

Cost for the US.

The US military, as well, has paid a hefty price. Interesting to note that the vast majority of casualties occurred after George W declared an end to hostilities (which basically allowed the government to reduce its war costs and reduce pay to its soldiers).

What strikes me the most is that war hawks rarely risk themselves or their brood on the frontline, and are content to wage their wars with the lives of others. To make this a complete rant, we're not ever going to see George, Dick, Don, Paul and their likes wearing flak jackets, toting M16s and in the frontline of a battle, are we?

One more thing:
�Change the channel�
- Brig. Gen. Mark Kimmitt's advice to Iraqis who see TV images of innocent civilians killed by coalition troops.

Message edited by author 2005-08-04 23:57:08.

kendall6

Canon EOS-350D Rebel XT

08/05/2005 12:09:13 AM · #10

For some real insight into the US government�s foreign policy, I recommend reading Hegemony Or Survival by Norm Chomsky. //www.chapters.indigo.ca/item.asp?Item=978080507688&Catalog=Books&Ntt=Noam+Chomsky&N=35&Lang=en&Section=books&zxac=1

08/05/2005 12:50:07 AM · #11

Originally posted by rgo:

....and the body count when Saddam was running things?????????

and his two son's actions; I guess improved the olympics

Freedom is NEVER cheap

Message edited by author 2005-08-05 00:50:55.

08/05/2005 01:06:20 AM · #12

Originally posted by PhotoRyno:

....and the body count when Saddam was running things?????????

and his two son's actions; I guess improved the olympics

Freedom is NEVER cheap

I thought it was about weapons of mass destruction. On second thought, nah, it wasn't about those things.

Message edited by author 2005-08-05 01:07:10.

08/05/2005 01:15:12 AM · #13

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I thought it was about weapons of mass destruction. On second thought, nah, it wasn't about those things. [/quote]

Dont be so naive. If it was not for countries like the U.S. and its allies we would not have forums like this and a lot of things that give people a choice in their lives.

Civilians THERE are not targets but casualties

08/05/2005 01:15:43 AM · #14

Originally posted by Tom2898:

With all this good work done, I guess it must be time to go liberate another oil rich country.

08/05/2005 01:18:08 AM · #15

Originally posted by keegbow:

Originally posted by Tom2898:
Here are the things you don't hear about in the news...

IRAQ RECONSTRUCTION

Since the transfer of sovereignty in Iraq, over 2,700 construction projects have started and over 1,580 have been completed.

The following projects are scheduled, in progress or completed nationwide in Iraq:

- 340 electrical distribution projects planned; 27 ongoing; 26 complete
- 29 hospitals planned; 18 ongoing; 10 complete
- 158 primary healthcare facilities planned; 146 ongoing; 9 complete
- 98 railroad station projects planned; 32 ongoing; 63 complete
- 264 border fort projects planned; 157 ongoing; 86 complete
- 839 schools planned; 65 ongoing; 678 complete
- 367 water treatment projects planned; 84 ongoing; 114 complete
- 22 prison and court projects planned; 7 ongoing; 16 complete
- 34 water reservoir projects planned; 6 ongoing; 21 complete

In July, the following construction projects began:

* The Iraqi military base project in Dahuk District consists of seven projects, of which, four are ongoing.

* There are six border fort projects planned for the Sharbazher District, of which five are currently ongoing.

* There are four electrical distribution projects in the Akre District, including one ongoing.

* The Ibn Al Athir maternity hospital in Mosul District is being completely overhauled. The facility will be a 200-bed medical facility when complete.

* The Tameem railroad station in Kirkuk District is being rehabilitated to meet freight storage and transportation needs. There are a total of five railroad station projects planned for this district.

* In the Tikrit District, there are four primary healthcare facilities programmed for construction which are all currently ongoing. There are also two primary healthcare facilities being built in the Khanaqin District.

* Three of five schools have been built in the Baladrooz District.

* The Buhriz bridge project will allow rural access to the east side the Diyala River, bypassing congestion at the Buhriz city bridge.

With all this good work done, I guess it must be time to go liberate another oil rich country.

Hey keegbow do you drive a car, turn on a light cook on a stove and on and on and on..........

08/05/2005 01:21:23 AM · #16

Originally posted by keegbow:

With all this good work done, I guess it must be time to go liberate another oil rich country.

Nah. I think they're looking at China next. You know...we've got enough oil, now we need a cheap labor force so we can put all that oil to good use.

;-)

08/05/2005 01:25:54 AM · #17

Originally posted by PhotoRyno:

Dont be so naive. If it was not for countries like the U.S. and its allies we would not have forums like this and a lot of things that give people a choice in their lives.

Right. Sorry I was so naive. I guess we won't bother giving countries that are not the US or its allies a CHOICE about whether or not they want to be the US or its allies. I guess we'll just convert them into allies, and if McDonalds can't do the job, I guess our guns definitely could. I mean, we've spent all these billions and zillions of dollars on our military and our weapons of mass destruction, there's got to be a point, right? Why let a good rifle or missile rust?

You're absolutely right. It is about choice. Unfortunately, we presume that everyone else will choose us, even when they're going so far as blowing themselves up (not to mention other people) to show that if they had the choice, they'd rather choose differently.
Right...

08/05/2005 01:28:01 AM · #18

Originally posted by rgo:

Originally posted by keegbow:
With all this good work done, I guess it must be time to go liberate another oil rich country.

Nah. I think they're looking at China next. You know...we've got enough oil, now we need a cheap labor force so we can put all that oil to good use.

;-)

Probably biting off more then you can chew with China, why don't you start with Japan and build your way up to China.

08/05/2005 01:31:34 AM · #19

Originally posted by PhotoRyno:

Hey keegbow do you drive a car, turn on a light cook on a stove and on and on and on..........

Yes I do but I would rather buy it from the country that owns it instead of a US oil Company.

Canon EF 17-40mm f/4L USM

08/05/2005 03:23:26 PM · #20

Originally posted by rgo:

Originally posted by PhotoRyno:
Dont be so naive. If it was not for countries like the U.S. and its allies we would not have forums like this and a lot of things that give people a choice in their lives.

Right. Sorry I was so naive. I guess we won't bother giving countries that are not the US or its allies a CHOICE about whether or not they want to be the US or its allies. I guess we'll just convert them into allies, and if McDonalds can't do the job, I guess our guns definitely could. I mean, we've spent all these billions and zillions of dollars on our military and our weapons of mass destruction, there's got to be a point, right? Why let a good rifle or missile rust?

You're absolutely right. It is about choice. Unfortunately, we presume that everyone else will choose us, even when they're going so far as blowing themselves up (not to mention other people) to show that if they had the choice, they'd rather choose differently.
Right...

I think they are blowing themselves up and innocent people also NOT because of the U.S. and its allies but because of the type of governments they have. How many of these countries allow their citizens to share in the wealth of their countries natural resources. It seems as though the governments of these countries do not mind selling the oil they just have a problem allowing the people within their societies to enjoy the income from the hard work required to bring it to market. Where is the free enterprise that gives people the opportunity to grow in culture, education, expression, securing a future for individual families, ete., etc.

The people that are killing themselves are angry with the wrong group of people. How has their government allowed them to prosper as a person, a family, a business. Suppression and lack of opportunity are what these people are angry about and cannot even realize it.

LoudDog

Canon EOS-350D Rebel XT

08/05/2005 04:12:12 PM · #21

Originally posted by rgo:

Did they really have any choices under Saddam? Today they have choices. Today they can complain about their government's decisions on the internet.

Riponlady

Panasonic Lumix DMC-FZ35

Tamron AF 28-300mm f/3.5-6.3 XR Di LD Aspherical IF for Canon

08/05/2005 05:04:25 PM · #22

Please no-one tell The Saj or legalbeagle about this thread!!!!!

:))))

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