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 10/18/2005 10:57:54 AM · #26
I always use sRGB when I save images. I used the exact same file with MyPublisher as I did with both DPCPrints and Truprint (for individual prints, not books) and it worked fine at those 2 places.

Message edited by author 2005-10-18 10:58:43.
 10/18/2005 11:00:09 AM · #27
For reference, this is from the SharedInk FAQ:

What type of printing process is utilized?
All of our hardcover books are printed using an HP/Indigo Ultrastream 3000 digital offset press. The Ultrastream 3000 is a true-ink 4-color digital offset press with excellent color reproduction capabilities. The printing is of very high quality, comparable to a "coffee-table" style book you might purchase at the book store. Color reproduction is a 4-color halftone screening process, where four colors (Cyan, Magenta, Yellow and Black) are overlayed on each other to get approximately 16.7 million different apparent colors.

The Ultrastream 3000 prints at a resolution of 800 x 800 dpi

I forgot to mention that with the photographer's program, the books are printed on 78# cover stock (much heavier/thicker), not the normal 100# text stock.

Message edited by author 2005-10-18 11:01:58.
 10/18/2005 11:05:04 AM · #28
Originally posted by Konador:
I always use sRGB when I save images. I used the exact same file with MyPublisher as I did with both DPCPrints and Truprint (for individual prints, not books) and it worked fine at those 2 places.


That;s because they printed it in CMYK. You colors where out of the gsmut of CMYK so they printed like poop. Convert the images to CMYK. And image like you have there should be converted to CMYK from adobe 98 or prophoto. sRGB has less cyan in it's gamut than CMYK does.
 10/18/2005 11:06:14 AM · #29
Oh this is turning into SUCH a bigger nightmare than I envisaged.

I REALLY REALLY wanted to create a lovely and really beautiful photo book for my friends. Their wedding was really informal and not at all the usual traditional affair so they didn't want an official photographer but asked me to take some pics. They'd be happy just with prints but it's me who'd really like to make a book up instead.

But as the whole thing is our present to them I'm really not in a position to spend big bucks on it, especially as I'm already investing a lot of time into it.

Eddy, how much is it to join the pro thing at sharedink and how much more expensive are the books that way too? THANKS
 10/18/2005 11:08:02 AM · #30
Originally posted by MeThoS:
Originally posted by Konador:
I always use sRGB when I save images. I used the exact same file with MyPublisher as I did with both DPCPrints and Truprint (for individual prints, not books) and it worked fine at those 2 places.


That;s because they printed it in CMYK. You colors where out of the gsmut of CMYK so they printed like poop. Convert the images to CMYK. And image like you have there should be converted to CMYK from adobe 98 or prophoto. sRGB has less cyan in it's gamut than CMYK does.


I have written to MyPublisher several times though and they keep insisting that a) their printer is closest in profile to Adobe 1998 but that b) I should submit all images saved in sRGB!

They haven't said anything about CMYK!
 10/18/2005 11:47:55 AM · #31
Originally posted by Kavey:
Originally posted by MeThoS:
Originally posted by Konador:
I always use sRGB when I save images. I used the exact same file with MyPublisher as I did with both DPCPrints and Truprint (for individual prints, not books) and it worked fine at those 2 places.


That;s because they printed it in CMYK. You colors where out of the gsmut of CMYK so they printed like poop. Convert the images to CMYK. And image like you have there should be converted to CMYK from adobe 98 or prophoto. sRGB has less cyan in it's gamut than CMYK does.


I have written to MyPublisher several times though and they keep insisting that a) their printer is closest in profile to Adobe 1998 but that b) I should submit all images saved in sRGB!

They haven't said anything about CMYK!


That's crazy. IF they are close to 98 then they should have you save in 98. I don't know of any offset or tomer based printer that prints RGB.
 10/18/2005 11:58:37 AM · #32
I know!

That's why I KEPT writing back pointing out the contradiction and asking for a response from someone who understood more about profiles.

The customer service people were just trotting out the same response to me that they found in their manuals or wherever.

This is all, quite frankly, driving me nuts!
 10/18/2005 12:01:59 PM · #33
Originally posted by Kavey:
I know!

That's why I KEPT writing back pointing out the contradiction and asking for a response from someone who understood more about profiles.

The customer service people were just trotting out the same response to me that they found in their manuals or wherever.

This is all, quite frankly, driving me nuts!


So convert to CMYK from 98 and send them in for a test.
 10/18/2005 12:02:10 PM · #34
First email from them:

--- USING PHOTO EDITING SOFTWARE ---------------------

If you are using photo editing or photo management software to create or adjust your images, here are some tips:

~ Use sRGB or RGB when enhancing photos.
~ Use sRGB or RGB for black and white photos also
~ Do not use CMYK, it will distort your images.
~ Remove vectors, slices or layers from your images
~ Our press does not recognize grayscale. You need to create the jpegs in sRGB or RGB.

~ Our color profile is closest to Adobe 98
~ Our press prints 175 lpi (lines per inch)

Second email from them:

You can use either sRGB or RGB, it's up to you. Both work with bookmaker software.

Third email from them:

Either can be used RGB or sRGB, we just recommend the sRGB becase it works better with our software/and/printing.

Fourth email from them:

Our color profile is closest to Adobe. When you submit your file, you can use either sRGB or RGB. As long as they are submitted this way, your book will print fine.

Fifth email from them:

We will be more then happy to forward your email request onto a supervisor. Please allow 24-48 hours for a return response.

(YOU CAN SEE WHY I KEPT GOING BACK TO THEM?)

Aaaaaaaaaaaaak!


10/18/2005 12:03:55 PM · #35
Originally posted by MeThoS:
So convert to CMYK from 98 and send them in for a test.


I'm based in the UK. A bit expensive for me to be paying for postage etc. for test prints.

They should be able to provide the details of their printer and understand and be able to communicate about profiles.

And they may not even use the same machines/ inks etc for their books as they do for their prints so test prints may not be any use. I am only wanting to do one book so it doesn't make sense to pay for test stuff...
 10/18/2005 12:05:17 PM · #36
Interesting to learn all this info... a little too late to help
me out though! LOL!...

I just ordered 7 books from MyPublisher, they should be here in a week or so, so we'll see how that goes.

3 are wedding albums
2 are wedding portfolios.
2 are children/baby portfolios.

I'll let y'all know how they turn out.

Linda
 10/18/2005 12:11:41 PM · #37
Thanks Linda!

Sorry this is too late to help, hopefully your books will be just wonderful.

Please can you let me know which colour profile you used, your opinion of the print quality/ colour balance etc. as well as paper/ cover etc. and also detail how obvious/ intrusive the mypublisher branding is on the covers and inside?

THANK YOU!

10/18/2005 01:59:22 PM · #38
OK, having chased MyPublisher up again (they promised a technical response within 24-48 hours several days ago) I just received the following:

In response to your question, the reason that we tell customers to use RGB or sRGB is because not everyone has the same profile. If a customer has RGB, Adobe 98, then you can use that. Our color profile is closest to this profile.

For those customer who do not have RGB, Adobe 98, they can use sRGB.

We apologize if we misinformed you, but we are not telling customers to use both, one or the other will be fine. We are just closest to the Adobe RGB, that's all.

Thank you for understanding. If there is anything else we can do for you, please let us know.

Best Regards,

Customer Service Team
 10/18/2005 02:09:57 PM · #39
I just received a hard cover book I had printed by AsukaBook, 40 sides, with about 45 of my favorite prints - designed by me using their templates. They did a FANTASTIC job of printing, very professional - full bleed, etc. The pricing is very good, as well. (You need to register with them before you can learn their prices. They ask that no member disclose the prices.)

The process for using AsukaBook templates to design your book, while not simple, is straightforward and well documented - you can view some of it, as well as testimonials and samples, at their website (www.asukabook.com). From start to finish (delivery of a final product), it's 3-4 weeks.

I can't praise them enough...
10/18/2005 02:25:11 PM · #40
Originally posted by lenkphotos:
I just received a hard cover book I had printed by AsukaBook,


I've asked this before. They say in their blurb that they will only deal with professional photographers. You fit that category easily but I'm not sure how strictly the interpret it and how much checking they do. What info did you have to provide?

Thanks
 10/18/2005 02:34:54 PM · #41
Originally posted by joezl:
Originally posted by lenkphotos:
I just received a hard cover book I had printed by AsukaBook,


I've asked this before. They say in their blurb that they will only deal with professional photographers. You fit that category easily but I'm not sure how strictly the interpret it and how much checking they do. What info did you have to provide?

Thanks

It took 24 hours for them to approve my application. I doubt that they look too deeply. I'd suggest you start the process by filling out the online application and see how it goes. They ask how much experience you have, and for your website address - but don't state to what extent you need that experience or how involved your site should be...
10/18/2005 03:33:48 PM · #42
I do not understand why such a supplier would insist on members keeping their prices a secret. If anyone already a member would be willing to privately PM me on the prices of AsukaBook I'd be grateful as I really don't want to go through the application form etc if the prices are beyond what I'm willing to pay.
THANKS
 10/18/2005 03:42:50 PM · #43
Originally posted by Kavey:
I do not understand why such a supplier would insist on members keeping their prices a secret. If anyone already a member would be willing to privately PM me on the prices of AsukaBook I'd be grateful as I really don't want to go through the application form etc if the prices are beyond what I'm willing to pay.
THANKS

Kavey, the reason is that AsukaBook provides services to people who resell the book/album (pros, "semi-pros",...). In particular, many or most of their Asuka's customers are wedding photographers, who in turn sell the books at a markup. An analogy would be if you were to inquire from a photo supply store what their cost is per item (albums, frames, etc.). Wholesalers (in which category I would say AsukaBook fit) typically don't publish their prices.

Does this make sense?
10/18/2005 03:51:50 PM · #44
They might not publish them on their website (though many wholesalers do, explaining that the prices are only available to volume buyers) but chances are such wholsesalers would not specifically ask their buyers to keep them secret nor fail to send prices out on specific request.

I can understand not making them too obvious but... it's not like photographers' clients are going to dig out Asuka's website and get the prices and demand a refund - the cost they pay relates to a lot more than the cost of printing itself.

I got no response to my email asking for prices from them directly.

Message edited by author 2005-10-18 15:53:19.
 10/18/2005 04:13:27 PM · #45
I use my publisher for wedding albums for my clients and I have not had a problem yet. The only place they have branded the books is on a page they insert at the end of the book. I have had no problem removing this page before passing my book on to clients.
10/18/2005 04:57:12 PM · #46
Originally posted by koolaid26:
I use my publisher for wedding albums for my clients and I have not had a problem yet. The only place they have branded the books is on a page they insert at the end of the book. I have had no problem removing this page before passing my book on to clients.

That's worth knowing, thanks.
No branding on cover at all?
How did you get on with colour accuracy and saturation?
THANKS
 10/24/2005 03:54:18 PM · #47
I am happy to report that one of my clients wedding albums came in today, along with my wedding portfolio, from My Publisher, and I am very pleased. All books are 9x12 with linen covers.

The branding is exactly as koolaid26 describes, no cover branding at all.

Color accuracy was great for the most part, a tiny bit of oversaturation on greens in some shots with bright green foliage in the background.

I am very happy with the books, and the presentation, but, I, personally, do not feel that these would be appropriate for very high-end clients. They feel very "IKEA Generation" to me. Very nice, classy even, but not what I would expect if I was a bride paying 2 or 3 grand for a wedding.

As portfolios, I LOVE them! Nice size, classy presentation.

FYI - for those interested in such things: I made all my pages in Photoshop, sized to 9x12 for full-bleed, uploaded them that way, and they look fantastic in the book. Total time from order to delivery was exactly 8 days. I ordered on the 17th, and received them today, the 24th.

All in all, great experience, I will definitely use them again.

Linda
 10/24/2005 04:13:36 PM · #48
Linda
Thank you so much for your detailed feedback.
As this is a book to record informal shots of an informal wedding a good quality but "IKEA generation" product will be fine for me.
I'm still working on processing the images and once I've done that I'll decide between MyPublisher and SharedInk and create the image files for upload from there.
THANKS AGAIN!
 05/29/2006 06:18:56 PM · #49
Hello,

I've ordered about 15 different books from Shutterfly and have had excellent results and they also offer excellent customer service. They are fast and my orders usually arrive (to Canada no less) in no time. I've just ordered my first Mypublisher.com book and I'll post when I see the results. I liked that their book was bigger 12x16.

I've just started to get into wedding photography and I was hoping to find a book where I could lose the logo at the back (so it looked more custom made) adn something where I could print on bigger pages.

I found it just yesterday with Sharedlink.com. They have a photographer's only program. You get a 45 day free membership and then you have to pay $129 (a one time fee) to have special photographer-only benefits -- like no logo at the back of the book. They offer full bleed and they have books that print up to 12x12. I've read several reviews online and everyone is saying their colour management is unmatched. I've yet to see their results, but I'll post once I receive my first book. I plan to use this for wedding albums if the results are good. Even with the one time fee of $129, it's still cheaper than Azuka books and you cna get away with fewer pages.

If you're curious, here are reviews:
//www.nikonians.org/html/resources/non-nikon_articles/SharedInk/making_a_photo_book_4.html
//www.epinions.com/content_145324019332
 05/31/2006 02:33:04 PM · #50
Hi,

I've just spent a few hours creating a 89 page book on the mypublisher bookmaker software only to find that it does not accept my book.

I get an error saying it is more than the permitted size 50 pages -

This is incorrect - the service allows up to 100 pages using double sided printing - 50 actual pages. I have tested with lesser sized books (50 sides or less) and it works ok. Has anyone else experienced this?

I'm in the Uk and was wondering if thaey may have introduced this bug in their last update of the software.
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