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05/23/2015 09:38:02 PM · #1 |
Originally posted by SEG:
Originally posted by BrennanOB:
Originally posted by SEG:
By the topic if you took a picture of an old farmhouse that looks abandoned but a homeless person sleeps in it every night is it abandoned? Same principle as this conversation. |
If the person living there is homeless, wouldn't the place they sleep be by definition be abandoned? |
Oh snap. My brain hurts. |
Not if "homeless" is treated like "classic."
IMHO the words all have meaning. Whoever came up with this challenge meant something by using the word "classic." The word is not superfluous.
Creativity can be exercised within the meaning of all the words. It may be more difficult, but hence the value of the challenge as worded. An argument can be made that the photograph that ignores one or more of the words is not "creative" - it demonstrates an inability to deal with a particular set of criteria in a creative way. Suppose we decide to ignore "human" and accept "classic". Does a classically posed photograph of a dog demonstrate "creativity"? (never mind "shoulders"). I guess my point is that selectively ignoring one or more words is not evidence of "creativity." It is something else.
Why not simply have challenges that boil down to do whatever you want as long as it is creative?
By the way, for what it's worth, I don't have a photo in this challenge, so no sour grapes involved. I've also been too busy with work and RL to be able to vote in this one. I also like the photo in question a lot...just not in this challenge. And I'm getting older by the year, so I'm probably getting crotchety as my arteries harden.
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05/21/2015 10:14:28 PM · #2 |
Originally posted by BrennanOB:
Originally posted by SEG:
By the topic if you took a picture of an old farmhouse that looks abandoned but a homeless person sleeps in it every night is it abandoned? Same principle as this conversation. |
If the person living there is homeless, wouldn't the place they sleep be by definition be abandoned? |
Oh snap. My brain hurts. |
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05/21/2015 06:36:25 PM · #3 |
Originally posted by Tiny:
Originally posted by Mike:
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
How did THIS one NOT make top-10? It's brilliant!
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for me its not very sharp and its almost blurry. |
And boringly obvious. |
the ugliest photo I've ever seen
:) :) :)
but I like it |
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05/21/2015 05:27:29 PM · #4 |
Originally posted by SEG:
By the topic if you took a picture of an old farmhouse that looks abandoned but a homeless person sleeps in it every night is it abandoned? Same principle as this conversation. |
If the person living there is homeless, wouldn't the place they sleep be by definition be abandoned? Fun fact; there are 5 abandoned houses in the USA for every homeless person. Isn't free market capitalism grand?
IMHO "head and shoulders" certainly implies that a face would be in the frame, but it certainly does not require it.
Message edited by author 2015-05-21 17:30:23. |
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05/21/2015 12:55:00 PM · #5 |
| I was hoping to see references to shampoo. |
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05/21/2015 12:23:44 PM · #6 |
This reminds me of an small argument I was involved with about this shot, which I loved. I think sometimes people get so caught up with the description they forget to just enjoy great photography.
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05/21/2015 11:47:05 AM · #7 |
Originally posted by klkitchens:
Originally posted by tanguera:
I feel that using (and latching onto) words like "classic" in a challenge leads down a very narrow, constraining path. What are "classic" images? They're images that started out memorable, and set the standard for a type of photography. |
Disagree, but the voters sided with you (I didn't vote, BTW)
The whole description should always be used in determining the validity of a submission. This one was without a doubt steering toward a more constrained theme. Sometimes we have more open to interpretation themes and sometimes we have narrowly focused ones. In this one there was plenty of room still for creativity while meeting the challenge. But this site is more about "feeling" than about "literal" and so we will always have situations where people ignore the theme (or parts of it) and if they were creative enough, they get enough bonus points to make up for it.
But that's just the way this site is and has been since I've been a part of it. You learn not to get too upset when the entries and photographers and voters are theme-weak and just shoot for the next one. |
I have to side more with Johanna on this. To me, ideally the challenge theme should serve as a creative spark for some good photography. I don't generally score images well that seem to totally ignore the theme. I do score well images that I like that appear to be inspired by the theme even if they don't quite follow a strict literal interpretation of the theme. |
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05/21/2015 11:37:52 AM · #8 |
Challenge descriptions are the gospel for a few on here which could limit creativity a little. Ive already received a comment on my abandoned building entry that said they rated it high but wasn't 100% sure that the place was abandoned. By the topic if you took a picture of an old farmhouse that looks abandoned but a homeless person sleeps in it every night is it abandoned? Same principle as this conversation.
As long as it is not a picture of feet and ankles in a head and shoulders portrait challenge then rate it based on artistic merit. |
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05/21/2015 11:36:43 AM · #9 |
Originally posted by klkitchens:
Originally posted by Tiny:
Originally posted by Mike:
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
How did THIS one NOT make top-10? It's brilliant!
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for me its not very sharp and its almost blurry. |
And boringly obvious. |
A just a tad derivative...
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Goodness, you're a tough crowd. |
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05/21/2015 11:36:00 AM · #10 |
Originally posted by tanguera:
Originally posted by klkitchens:
Originally posted by tanguera:
I feel that using (and latching onto) words like "classic" in a challenge leads down a very narrow, constraining path. What are "classic" images? They're images that started out memorable, and set the standard for a type of photography. |
Disagree, but the voters sided with you (I didn't vote, BTW)
The whole description should always be used in determining the validity of a submission. This one was without a doubt steering toward a more constrained theme. Sometimes we have more open to interpretation themes and sometimes we have narrowly focused ones. In this one there was plenty of room still for creativity while meeting the challenge. But this site is more about "feeling" than about "literal" and so we will always have situations where people ignore the theme (or parts of it) and if they were creative enough, they get enough bonus points to make up for it.
But that's just the way this site is and has been since I've been a part of it. You learn not to get too upset when the entries and photographers and voters are theme-weak and just shoot for the next one. |
Sure. I am aware that coloring outside the lines can have consequences and I'm fine with that.
I'm more curious about why this is being thought of as not meeting the challenge. Does it have a head? Check. Does it have shoulders? Check. Is it a human? Check. Is it simple? Except for the rotation, what's so complex about it? As I said, the word "classic" in the description is but one adjective used. With the image having satisfied all the other requisies. And "classic", without an example, is meaningless. Classic in what way? According to whom? This could have have been a "classic" Magritte or some other surreal artist.
But that's just me. I'm finally more interested in creating memorable images than in getting high scores. Sometimes I get lucky, sometimes I don't. It's all good. |
Well said. |
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05/21/2015 11:07:33 AM · #11 |
Originally posted by klkitchens:
Originally posted by tanguera:
I feel that using (and latching onto) words like "classic" in a challenge leads down a very narrow, constraining path. What are "classic" images? They're images that started out memorable, and set the standard for a type of photography. |
Disagree, but the voters sided with you (I didn't vote, BTW)
The whole description should always be used in determining the validity of a submission. This one was without a doubt steering toward a more constrained theme. Sometimes we have more open to interpretation themes and sometimes we have narrowly focused ones. In this one there was plenty of room still for creativity while meeting the challenge. But this site is more about "feeling" than about "literal" and so we will always have situations where people ignore the theme (or parts of it) and if they were creative enough, they get enough bonus points to make up for it.
But that's just the way this site is and has been since I've been a part of it. You learn not to get too upset when the entries and photographers and voters are theme-weak and just shoot for the next one. |
Sure. I am aware that coloring outside the lines can have consequences and I'm fine with that.
I'm more curious about why this is being thought of as not meeting the challenge. Does it have a head? Check. Does it have shoulders? Check. Is it a human? Check. Is it simple? Except for the rotation, what's so complex about it? As I said, the word "classic" in the description is but one adjective used. With the image having satisfied all the other requisies. And "classic", without an example, is meaningless. Classic in what way? According to whom? This could have have been a "classic" Magritte or some other surreal artist.
But that's just me. I'm finally more interested in creating memorable images than in getting high scores. Sometimes I get lucky, sometimes I don't. It's all good. |
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05/21/2015 10:47:13 AM · #12 |
Originally posted by Tiny:
Originally posted by Mike:
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
How did THIS one NOT make top-10? It's brilliant!
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for me its not very sharp and its almost blurry. |
And boringly obvious. |
A just a tad derivative...
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05/21/2015 10:40:01 AM · #13 |
Originally posted by Mike:
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
How did THIS one NOT make top-10? It's brilliant!
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for me its not very sharp and its almost blurry. |
And boringly obvious. |
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05/21/2015 10:29:32 AM · #14 |
Originally posted by tanguera:
I feel that using (and latching onto) words like "classic" in a challenge leads down a very narrow, constraining path. What are "classic" images? They're images that started out memorable, and set the standard for a type of photography. |
Disagree, but the voters sided with you (I didn't vote, BTW)
The whole description should always be used in determining the validity of a submission. This one was without a doubt steering toward a more constrained theme. Sometimes we have more open to interpretation themes and sometimes we have narrowly focused ones. In this one there was plenty of room still for creativity while meeting the challenge. But this site is more about "feeling" than about "literal" and so we will always have situations where people ignore the theme (or parts of it) and if they were creative enough, they get enough bonus points to make up for it.
But that's just the way this site is and has been since I've been a part of it. You learn not to get too upset when the entries and photographers and voters are theme-weak and just shoot for the next one.
Message edited by author 2015-05-21 10:30:17. |
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05/21/2015 10:05:30 AM · #15 |
This was a tough challenge depending on what you have or had available to you.
I figured going in I would be up against photog's with access to models, lights, studios, & most important experience.
I didn't shoot for the challenge but took a bunch of shots over the weekend and said "hummm this one has a head and shoulders" and put it in.
While I feel most were looking for that straight up studio shot  Tanguera was able to take it out of the box with a very creative take. She got dinged a bit but ended up with a great score.
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05/20/2015 03:11:24 PM · #16 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
How did THIS one NOT make top-10? It's brilliant!
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:)
it's perfect fot the contest: I can see the head and both shoulders
ooops...almost perfect....it's not simple :) |
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05/20/2015 02:54:21 PM · #17 |
Loved the image, story/image description, and comment here, tanguera.
This was a tough category that I chose not to enter due to the "classic" description and the fact that I too, am often lazy and don't want to set stuff up =)
At the same time I would have set the bar too high for myself so I simply didn't make time for the challenge - I did, however, vote on them all and was pleased to see some rebellion or at least so-called shoehorn or out-of-box images. I always am and DPC wouldn't be what it is without them.
Message edited by author 2015-05-20 14:54:48. |
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05/20/2015 02:42:23 PM · #18 |
I'm fascinated by this discussion. The challenge called for a head and shoulders. It didn't say anything about not presenting them creatively :)
These days, I'm all about being creative within the bounds of the challenge description (I totally feel the description is there for a reason, and "technically" mine fits the challenge just fine). But I've been rebelling against highly literal themes (see my "fish" entry), and I'm willing to take the chance of bombing with an entry by playing with the concept. I'm primarily a portrait photographer, and create "classic" head and shoulder shots in my sleep. I wanted something different, something for me. Given the choice of producing a perfect "me-too" image or creating something exciting that may bomb... well, there's simply no choice for me. I don't want "perfect". I want memorable.
I feel that using (and latching onto) words like "classic" in a challenge leads down a very narrow, constraining path. What are "classic" images? They're images that started out memorable, and set the standard for a type of photography.
But as I have always said, we're all here for different reasons, and we're all at different points on our photography journey, with different interests, learning different things. |
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05/20/2015 02:25:54 PM · #19 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
How did THIS one NOT make top-10? It's brilliant!
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for me its not very sharp and its almost blurry. |
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05/20/2015 02:16:01 PM · #20 |
I think some people might have been scared???
Originally posted by nygold:
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
How did THIS one NOT make top-10? It's brilliant!
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I guess even you didn't think it was that "brilliant" you didn't give it a 10. :)
It was one of my top picks, I gave it an 8. |
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05/20/2015 02:10:48 PM · #21 |
| I was one of the 3 9's... I reserve 10 for "perfect" pretty much :-) |
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05/20/2015 02:06:56 PM · #22 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
How did THIS one NOT make top-10? It's brilliant!
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I guess even you didn't think it was that "brilliant" you didn't give it a 10. :)
It was one of my top picks, I gave it an 8. |
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05/20/2015 01:12:59 PM · #23 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
How did THIS one NOT make top-10? It's brilliant!
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eye of the beholder I guess Robert, but you already knew that. |
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05/20/2015 01:08:14 PM · #24 |
How did THIS one NOT make top-10? It's brilliant!
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05/20/2015 01:08:11 PM · #25 |
Originally posted by klkitchens:
But I think the "simple" and "classic" aspects of a standard head and shoulders portrait are being ignored by the rules lawyer proclaiming "human" "head" "shoulder(s)" |
Myself, I prioritized "head" "shoulders" and "classic" -- de-emphasizing only "human" ... |
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