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02/21/2010 09:36:41 PM · #26 |
Most suprising is that this image received 11 "ones".
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02/22/2010 03:45:46 AM · #27 |
Actually I am just stating what I personally think is fair.
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
Originally posted by Bugzeye:
No matter what way you look at it. Voting a 1 on a very good photo for any reason is not right unless it is doesn't meet the challenge and even then it is harsh, a 3 or 4 maybe, because then at least you can say you gave it some credit for being a well taken photograph. |
Ah! But you are imposing *your* voting structure onto others which is not acceptable.
If someone does it to be mean, or petty, that's wrong, but only they know that for sure, hence it is something that cannot be policed.
If someone, consistently rarely votes above a three unless the image speaks to them, how is it wrong?
If they feel that a well shot, yet dull and ambiguous image is only worth a 1, so be it. |
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02/22/2010 03:48:14 AM · #28 |
So your the guy laying the 1's down on all the latest ribbon winners? :)
Originally posted by posthumous:
Originally posted by Bugzeye:
In some cases they are voting with hopes of helping their own score. In other cases they simply do not like the subject and vote in protest as Bear stated. I understand that some will say this is ok. while others will disagree. I for one think that if they do not like the subject, They should just click on the next image and move on, They should not punish the photographer of a nicely presented picture just because they don't like the subject. That in itself is definately not in the Spirit of DPC or good sportsmanship period. No matter what way you look at it. Voting a 1 on a very good photo for any reason is not right unless it is doesn't meet the challenge and even then it is harsh, a 3 or 4 maybe, because then at least you can say you gave it some credit for being a well taken photograph.
But this is DPC which at times stands for Diligent Photography Critique. |
You're the one who thinks it's a good photo. I think it's a crappy photo. And that is why I gave it a 1. I'm not protesting. I'm not punishing. |
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02/22/2010 04:53:16 AM · #29 |
Originally posted by kenskid:
Most suprising is that this image received 11 "ones".
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I'm also suprised it got 2 9's as welll.... :-) |
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02/22/2010 07:25:27 AM · #30 |
Originally posted by Bugzeye:
No matter what way you look at it. Voting a 1 on a very good photo for any reason is not right unless it is doesn't meet the challenge and even then it is harsh, a 3 or 4 maybe, because then at least you can say you gave it some credit for being a well taken photograph. |
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
Ah! But you are imposing *your* voting structure onto others which is not acceptable.
If someone does it to be mean, or petty, that's wrong, but only they know that for sure, hence it is something that cannot be policed.
If someone, consistently rarely votes above a three unless the image speaks to them, how is it wrong?
If they feel that a well shot, yet dull and ambiguous image is only worth a 1, so be it. |
Originally posted by Bugzeye:
Actually I am just stating what I personally think is fair. |
But that's precisely my point. Nobody gets to decide for anyone else what's fair. We all have a vote, and we decide what's fair. Really, if an image doesn't meet the challenge, what does it matter how good it is? Not to be overly simplistic, but if the challenge is cars, and you submit an absolutely stunning shot of a tree, why wouldn't that be a 1? All I'm saying is that these repeated threads that talk about the unfairness of low votes are pretty much a waste of time. They've not changed a thing. Hopefully, people will at some point get acceptance with the fact that some people are going to cast 1 votes. There'll be more threads with someone being indignant about casting low votes without an explanation as well, with someone maintaining that it's not right to vote a 1 without explaining why. There's no requirement for that, and shouldn't be either, 'cause it was proven that a forced/suggested "Don't vote less than a 3 without a comment" popup didn't do anything.
It is what it is.
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02/22/2010 07:28:48 AM · #31 |
| My Headwear Entry recieved a grand total of ZERO 1's. I was actually surprised as I usually pick up a few and especially as my entry was pretty much a mid pack finish (51%) |
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02/22/2010 08:04:59 AM · #32 |
Originally posted by jminso:
My Headwear Entry recieved a grand total of ZERO 1's. I was actually surprised as I usually pick up a few and especially as my entry was pretty much a mid pack finish (51%) |
Most of the top finishers in Headwear copped their fair share of one votes! Go figure!
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02/22/2010 08:38:49 AM · #33 |
I hear nobody complaining about the 10,s they have scored which is not suitable for most images either. For my Headwear entry I received a 1 and a 10 which are both unworthy. The end score always depends on the bulk of 5-6-7's and if there are 150 voter or more the 10.s and 1's can be disgarded anyway.
For voting: I don't give out one's easy but my 10 is also very hard to get..... |
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02/22/2010 08:39:00 AM · #34 |
I didn't get any ones in that challenge. I was shocked. I got alot of 5's though.
Originally posted by Judi:
Originally posted by jminso:
My Headwear Entry recieved a grand total of ZERO 1's. I was actually surprised as I usually pick up a few and especially as my entry was pretty much a mid pack finish (51%) |
Most of the top finishers in Headwear copped their fair share of one votes! Go figure! |
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02/22/2010 08:39:09 AM · #35 |
Originally posted by Bugzeye:
Actually I am just stating what I personally think is fair.
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
Originally posted by Bugzeye:
No matter what way you look at it. Voting a 1 on a very good photo for any reason is not right unless it is doesn't meet the challenge and even then it is harsh, a 3 or 4 maybe, because then at least you can say you gave it some credit for being a well taken photograph. |
Ah! But you are imposing *your* voting structure onto others which is not acceptable.
If someone does it to be mean, or petty, that's wrong, but only they know that for sure, hence it is something that cannot be policed.
If someone, consistently rarely votes above a three unless the image speaks to them, how is it wrong?
If they feel that a well shot, yet dull and ambiguous image is only worth a 1, so be it. |
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Two things... First DNMC is not something that should affect the score since what you or I perceive as a DNMC could conceivably be way off base.
Secondly, while it is indeed your perogative to vote what you consider is fair, the same can be said for anyone else who votes. They are voting according to their taste, criteria and whatever other factors that fall into the equation when they vote and that is their decision alone to make.
Ray |
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02/22/2010 08:44:14 AM · #36 |
I went and looked at my entries on my profile page and I have zero 1s or 2s on my Top 5.
Thirty-four 10s
Hmm....
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02/22/2010 08:47:48 AM · #37 |
Originally posted by RayEthier:
Two things... First DNMC is not something that should affect the score since what you or I perceive as a DNMC could conceivably be way off base. |
Have to disagree with you. If it does not come into the equation, then every challenge may as well be a freestudy. There is often a fine line between a creative interpretation and a shoehorned entry. If just one or two people feel it's DNMC then their votes won't have much effect, but if many people feel that way, then the group has decided it failed to fit. Heck, I've been low voted for clearly meeting the challenge, but the aspect that met the topic was not quite prominent enough to satisfy some. |
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02/22/2010 08:49:53 AM · #38 |
Originally posted by RayEthier:
Two things... First DNMC is not something that should affect the score since what you or I perceive as a DNMC could conceivably be way off base. |
I'm not sure I agree with that. Isn't the objective to convey your interpretation of the theme to the voter? If you fail miserably, for whatever reason, what should the vote be?
I just voted an entry in shoes VERY highly, but I had to Google the title, then really look at the image to make the connection. I don't feel that's reasonable. I decided to Google the title a millisecond before I gave it a two. If someone has to do that to make the connection, you have failed to convey your message. It was solely my quest for knowledge, and inate curiosity that made me decide to research the material. I'm glad I did as the experience was interesting and I know something I didn't before, but how many voters are going to do that?
Originally posted by RayEthier:
Secondly, while it is indeed your perogative to vote what you consider is fair, the same can be said for anyone else who votes. They are voting according to their taste, criteria and whatever other factors that fall into the equation when they vote and that is their decision alone to make.
Ray |
What he said......8>)
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02/22/2010 08:51:20 AM · #39 |
Originally posted by Yo_Spiff:
There is often a fine line between a creative interpretation and a shoehorned entry. |
I think we have the definitive statement on this! LOL!!!
(grins & runs!)
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02/22/2010 08:53:49 AM · #40 |
Originally posted by Yo_Spiff:
Originally posted by RayEthier:
Two things... First DNMC is not something that should affect the score since what you or I perceive as a DNMC could conceivably be way off base. |
Have to disagree with you. If it does not come into the equation, then every challenge may as well be a freestudy. There is often a fine line between a creative interpretation and a shoehorned entry. If just one or two people feel it's DNMC then their votes won't have much effect, but if many people feel that way, then the group has decided it failed to fit. Heck, I've been low voted for clearly meeting the challenge, but the aspect that met the topic was not quite prominent enough to satisfy some. |
You should:
- "keep an open mind to other interpretations of the challenge topic."
- "consider the challenge topic when voting, and adjust your score accordingly." |
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02/22/2010 09:19:50 AM · #41 |
Originally posted by glad2badad:
You should:
- "keep an open mind to other interpretations of the challenge topic."
- "consider the challenge topic when voting, and adjust your score accordingly." |
Okay....what's your point?
The onus is still on the photog to try to convey the theme. This is not a "Where's Waldo" scenario. You're not supposed to make people work to get your message. Those that try for the obtuse aesthetic, or are hunting a Posthumous Ribbon generally understand that the popular vote is going to slam them. If your image's message is too obtuse for the voters, you WILL get hammered.
ETA: It says You should, not You MUST!
Message edited by author 2010-02-22 09:21:34.
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02/22/2010 09:52:47 AM · #42 |
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
Originally posted by glad2badad:
You should:
- "keep an open mind to other interpretations of the challenge topic."
- "consider the challenge topic when voting, and adjust your score accordingly." |
Okay....what's your point? |
Didn't seem like a "point" was needed.
In the challenge rules/voting guidelines linked and quoted above, they mention to keep an open mind, meaning your interpretation of the challenge will not always match with others'. Yet the rules suggest that if the challenge entry you're voting on meets the challenge topic (or doesn't meet it), then adjust your score to reflect that element of the challenge. I guess that means meeting the challenge IS an important part of the process in addition to capturing a solid (technically sound) photograph.
Those rule/voting suggestions are almost opposing in regards to this (DNMC) topic IMO:
Keep an open mind (relax, the photo may fit, but you just don't see it).
Adjust your score based on whether the photo hit the theme/topic (how can you say it met the topic without being subjective - the mind is not open, it's made a decision - fits or doesn't).
Funny really... :-) |
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02/22/2010 11:24:30 AM · #43 |
Originally posted by glad2badad:
You should:
- "keep an open mind to other interpretations of the challenge topic."
- "consider the challenge topic when voting, and adjust your score accordingly." |
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
Okay....what's your point? |
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Didn't seem like a "point" was needed.
In the challenge rules/voting guidelines linked and quoted above, they mention to keep an open mind, meaning your interpretation of the challenge will not always match with others'. Yet the rules suggest that if the challenge entry you're voting on meets the challenge topic (or doesn't meet it), then adjust your score to reflect that element of the challenge. I guess that means meeting the challenge IS an important part of the process in addition to capturing a solid (technically sound) photograph.
Those rule/voting suggestions are almost opposing in regards to this (DNMC) topic IMO:
Keep an open mind (relax, the photo may fit, but you just don't see it).
Adjust your score based on whether the photo hit the theme/topic (how can you say it met the topic without being subjective - the mind is not open, it's made a decision - fits or doesn't).
Funny really... :-) |
The emboldened part above is what makes me ask, what if you genuinely spend time viewing and thinking about it, and STILL.....nothing. Not a glimmer, no clue what-so-freakin'-ever.
Hasn't the photog failed in your particular case?
Cases in point....Where's Waldo, Puzzle Macro. Both of those challenges are set up so that in one, you should be able to get the message, but it should be subtle, and perhaps, clever. The other the entire objective is to fool the voters.
In their own weird way, an obvious message should be a low score, so wouldn't it stand to reason that the opposite is true for the themed challenges where you're supposed to convey the challenge title/theme? No message, low score, and the quality of the image takes a back seat.
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02/22/2010 11:35:10 AM · #44 |
| I personally love to get ones. Especially when they are followed by a zero. :) |
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02/22/2010 12:13:49 PM · #45 |
I like this topic, I'm sure this has been talked about lots of times on here, but I for one am new and have been wondering about how people vote.
Now that I'm a member & I'm starting to put pictures in, my voting style has changed. (for the better) I like to give a decent vote, because I know it takes work to submit a pic for challenges.
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02/22/2010 12:24:43 PM · #46 |
| I can't imagine ever giving anyone a one, but that said, being new here and poking around to learn the ropes on submissions, voting, etc., I found the Things that Count challenge results perplexing. I racked my brain for something for that challenge when apparently I just needed to shoot a seascape. No offense to the photographers -- they're wonderful photos -- but if you're just taking the nicest photo you can and not bothering to meet the challenge theme, I can see why people would grow tired of it and knock them down. |
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02/22/2010 12:56:12 PM · #47 |
Originally posted by bohemka:
... but if you're just taking the nicest photo you can and not bothering to meet the challenge theme, I can see why people would grow tired of it and knock them down. |
The problem that often times surfaces is that the user community may not be familiar with the scenario that the photographer is trying to depict, or misconstrues the meaning of what is being presented and that might lead them to doling out a sub par score.
A prime example of this transpired a while back where someone submitted an image of a group of individual in a procession all clad in white and wearing hoods. Guess what happened... yep the photographer was penalized because many voters mistakenly associated the image with the KKK when in fact the image was of a religious ceremony in I believe a Latin country.
Sad that mistaken perception resulted in a bevy of low scores.
Point I am trying to make is that in some instances not everything is as clear as we make them out to be.
Ray
Message edited by author 2010-02-22 12:57:30. |
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