Politicians Buying Votes....Solid Evidence

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01/17/2010 07:19:50 PM · #51

"The free market did some really amazing things for" all America, like making it the wealthiest, most desirable country to live in the world, a place you can come, start your own business and prosper. Vxpra, ask your friend why his family came to America.

vxpra

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01/17/2010 07:35:21 PM · #52

Originally posted by David Ey:

They came to America because northern Pakistan is outlaw territory and his father didn't want to see his sons grow up to become thugs. They considered Europe, but thought America to be more open and welcoming to people of other nations. And they are devout Muslims. What did you expect me to say- to wage Jihad against the Infidel!!!!

Let me explain what is wrong with this statement:
Admit the muslims want all us heathens dead and deal with it like our lives depend on it...which it does, if you believe their Koran.

1) This is an incredibly ignorant and close minded statment. 2) Muslim does not equal terrorist (was Timothy McVeigh a muslim) Islamic terrorists are spoon fed a radical from of Islam which has been preverted by people seeking power. Much the same way people like Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell and groups like the aryan nations have used christianity as their platform for seeking power. 3) This is the kind of hate people have spewed to justify atrocities through centuries by demonizing entire groups of people.

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Matthew

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01/18/2010 04:33:49 AM · #53

Originally posted by David Ey:

Let the Arabs fight their own wars....you can't help them, they have been like they are for a thousand years.

Don't you want their oil? Should we as a matter of practice deliberately abandon all groups "who cannot help themselves"? I believe that there is a sentiment in some camps that Native Americans would fall within this category.

Originally posted by David Ey:

Admit the muslims want all us heathens dead and deal with it like our lives depend on it...which it does, if you believe their Koran.

I know plenty of Muslims and no-one who wants to wage a war against those with "heathen" beliefs. The only people I have seen promoting religio-ethnic cleansing are Christians - like you have done with this statement.

I think that you need to step outside yourself and look back at how deeply unpleasant your expressed views really are. If you believe in the concept of evil, then this kind of statement embodies it.

01/18/2010 11:06:44 AM · #54

Have either of you two read any of the Koran?.....We don't need their oil, we have plenty of our own.

RayEthier

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01/18/2010 11:28:23 AM · #55

Originally posted by David Ey:

Have either of you two read any of the Koran?.....We don't need their oil, we have plenty of our own.

Actually, a rather significant portion of the oil used in the USA is imported, and until such time as the USA ceases to depend so much on oil consumption, the trend will continue.

Ray

01/18/2010 03:08:27 PM · #56

Look, what I said was "We don't need their oil, we have plenty of our own." We need to use it while we develop alternative energy sources. I shouldn't have to spell everything out for you (pl).

RayEthier

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01/18/2010 03:27:06 PM · #57

Originally posted by David Ey:

Look, what I said was "We don't need their oil, we have plenty of our own." We need to use it while we develop alternative energy sources. I shouldn't have to spell everything out for you (pl).

You are absolutely right Mr. Ey... what I had hoped you would understand is that without importing oil from other countries you would be in dire straights. On the good side, a good chunk of the oil you do import comes from a friendly country located just a tad north of you. :O)

Ray

01/18/2010 06:13:43 PM · #58

I don't disagree with most of that Ray. We have failed by being dependant on enemy oil, a fault of our leadership,laws and environmentalists. We have enormous supplies of oil off our coasts and northern Alaska untapped. When was the last nuclear power plant built here? How about a hydro-electric plant? We are starting more wind turbines, but that is at the expense of tons of birds. I wonder where the environmentalists are on this one?

Matthew

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01/18/2010 07:22:00 PM · #59

Originally posted by David Ey:

Have either of you two read any of the Koran?.....We don't need their oil, we have plenty of our own.

Yes - there are copies of the Koran and the bible on my bookshelf and I have read parts of each (can't pretend to have read both in full).

There are a lot of similarities.

I have also travelled throughout the US and also Syria, Jordan, Egypt, Lebanon etc. Again - many similarities in both the US and the middle east. I was treated generously in both parts of the world - though I felt safer in the middle east and was perhaps welcomed more strongly there (and it was a bit more photogenic!).

I don't know how much you have travelled in the world, but what travel teaches you is that 99% of people 99% of the time are driven by exactly the same things, have the same interests, and the same broad moral views. When you dismiss people as being incapable of being helped they are exactly the same as you or me in all important respects - just reacting as you or I would in difficult and different circumstances to the ones we have to deal with.

vxpra

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01/20/2010 01:19:40 PM · #60

Originally posted by David Ey:

Have either of you two read any of the Koran?.....We don't need their oil, we have plenty of our own.

Yes, I have. Have you read the Koran? Or have you just read excerpts that people use for spin?

vxpra

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01/20/2010 01:43:59 PM · #61

Originally posted by David Ey:

We have enormous supplies of oil off our coasts and northern Alaska untapped.

No one knows if there is oil in area 1002 (ANWR). The estimates of 7.7 billion barrels (recoverable- of that less than 3 billions barrels is believed to be economically feasable to recover) is based simply on the geologic formations. Even at that it would take a minimum of 10 years (DOE estimates) to develop the infrastructure for the first well and 4-5 years after that before any amount of oil could be extracted. Even at that the estimates are the ANWR fields would produce less than 750,000 barrels per day of oil- less than 5% of the 19 million barrels per day that we (the US) consume. Even the most optimistic estimates put the maximum daily out put at 5% of the US daily consumption. Then you have to look at the overall environmental impact. Using the Prudhoe Bay facilities as a basis experts expect exploration, extraction, processiong and transportation of the oil from 1002 to generate more pollution (greenhouse gasses, smog, dust etc...) per day than many mid sized US cities. One of the main reasons oil companies have attempted to push this forward is the $20 billion in government subsidies they would receive.

Edit 'cause I used a b instead of an m and had a bad math moment.

Message edited by author 2010-01-20 14:08:09.

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01/20/2010 02:47:25 PM · #62

1-19-2010 The worm has turned.

VitaminB

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01/20/2010 10:17:40 PM · #63

Originally posted by RayEthier:

On the good side, a good chunk of the oil you do import comes from a friendly country located just a tad north of you. :O)

Ray

Originally posted by David Ey:

We have failed by being dependant on enemy oil, a fault of our leadership,laws and environmentalists.

Oh no... Canada is the enemy now!!!! :P

Did the environmentalists tell America to buy dirty Canadian oil?

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01/21/2010 12:14:44 PM · #64

vitamin, you have a problem understanding what you read

LoudDog

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01/21/2010 02:25:54 PM · #65

Total Imports of Petroleum (Top 15 Countries)
(Thousand Barrels per Day)
Country Oct-09 Sep-09 YTD 2009 Oct-08 YTD 2008

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

CANADA 2,360 2,356 2,439 2,585 2,477
MEXICO 1,136 1,271 1,252 1,434 1,299
VENEZUELA 955 1,146 1,120 1,162 1,187
SAUDI ARABIA 943 1,045 1,041 1,487 1,537
NIGERIA 869 894 764 963 1,009
IRAQ 499 428 462 577 652
ALGERIA 491 641 491 558 542
ANGOLA 450 414 482 539 514
RUSSIA 385 486 584 394 476
COLOMBIA 292 301 287 200 203
UNITED KINGDOM 266 295 255 386 242
VIRGIN ISLANDS 215 280 282 267 322
ECUADOR 180 153 190 200 216
BRAZIL 174 268 324 354 259
AZERBAIJAN 134 101 68 125 74

GeneralE

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01/21/2010 02:28:38 PM · #66

Well, the SCOTUS just opened the floodgates for the complete corporate purchase of the government. So much for government of, by, and for the "people."

01/21/2010 03:16:20 PM · #67

Originally posted by GeneralE:

Well, the SCOTUS just opened the floodgates for the complete corporate purchase of the government. So much for government of, by, and for the "people."

We're in such deep shit, now. More deregulation. What are Conservatives thinking?

Whatever grip the average citizen might have had on their Reps just went right out the window today.

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01/21/2010 03:40:12 PM · #68

This is actually freaking me out...

As it already stands there's almost no way to get the truth or honest facts regarding anything politically related and now it will be virtually impossible.

Any institution with enough money can fill the airwaves with complete bullshit that will be unimaginably absurd to sort through. The Party of Big Business is doing a major victory dance now.

Bring on those "Death Panels"...kill me now.

Message edited by author 2010-01-21 15:41:58.

VitaminB

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01/21/2010 05:18:28 PM · #69

Originally posted by David Ey:

vitamin, you have a problem understanding what you read

And you have a problem understanding ":P"

GeneralE

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01/21/2010 08:02:23 PM · #70

Sure is a good thing the Republicans did away with judicial activism, eh?

posthumous

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01/21/2010 09:22:21 PM · #71

Originally posted by GeneralE:

Sure is a good thing the Republicans did away with judicial activism, eh?

Yeah, I'm never going to let that BS come out of their mouths unchallenged again (not when I'm in the room).

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01/22/2010 06:45:39 AM · #72

Originally posted by posthumous:

Originally posted by GeneralE:
Sure is a good thing the Republicans did away with judicial activism, eh?

Yeah, I'm never going to let that BS come out of their mouths unchallenged again (not when I'm in the room).

LoudDog

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01/22/2010 09:09:56 AM · #73

Originally posted by GeneralE:

Sure is a good thing the Republicans did away with judicial activism, eh?

Yeah, now the unions can really buy votes... I'm so excited (bleh)

I think most agree this is not a good thing.

citymars

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01/22/2010 09:20:37 AM · #74

Originally posted by LoudDog:

Originally posted by GeneralE:
Sure is a good thing the Republicans did away with judicial activism, eh?

Yeah, now the unions can really buy votes... I'm so excited (bleh)
I think most agree this is not a good thing.

I think unions are the least of the special interests that will be funding campaign information (and disinformation).