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12/15/2009 07:01:32 AM · #51 |
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
They have a gun and handcuffs, so I don't feel that being an unarmed person of interest is any time to get self-righteous.
I just don't have problems with people in those situations. If someone asks me what I'm doing, I look them in the eye, and answer their question in a civilized and polite manner. Most often, the courteous and polite attitude is enough to defray any further action. If they ask me to move along, I do.
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Just because they have a badge and gun doesn't mean they can intimidate people for no good reason.
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Acutally, they CAN... but they shouldn't. :O)
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12/15/2009 07:40:44 AM · #52 |
Originally posted by picklenose:
How is some poor cop, that is just trying to do his or her job, supposed to discern between the innocent photographer just trying to take some pictures and this;
//www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,580223,00.html
without asking a few questions?
And imagine, knowing that 90% of the people you try to talk to, bow up and become indignant and self rightous when asked. |
I hope you don't mind picklenose... I fixed the link. :O)
Ray
Message edited by author 2009-12-15 07:44:22. |
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12/15/2009 08:09:17 AM · #53 |
Originally posted by Melethia:
Originally posted by dmadden:
As a non U.S. citizen and I would never ever take a camera with me on trips to the states. My first fear would be ending up in a situation like this. Me being a black tourist with a camera in hand and a non-u.s. citizen. You could'nt pay me enough to photograph anything.
When I visit, I go straight to the malls and restaurants. If it was'nt for the shopping, I would'nt visit. Period!!!
I however would not visit europe, because I fear the same level of harassment and the shopping is'nt good there :) |
Shopping in Europe - the continent, anyway - is better than in the states, and very little hassle for photogs compared to the US or the UK. :-) |
I'm sure it is an exception, but a shopkeeper in Paris about a week ago asked me to delete a photo I took of his storefront - he said it wasn't "authorized". I have no idea what that means, but I deleted the photo anyway to mollify him, it wasn't a big deal. But I have never had that happen in the states. |
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12/15/2009 08:18:07 AM · #54 |
Originally posted by dmadden:
As a non U.S. citizen and I would never ever take a camera with me on trips to the states. My first fear would be ending up in a situation like this. Me being a black tourist with a camera in hand and a non-u.s. citizen. You could'nt pay me enough to photograph anything.
When I visit, I go straight to the malls and restaurants. If it was'nt for the shopping, I would'nt visit. Period!!!
I however would not visit europe, because I fear the same level of harassment and the shopping is'nt good there :) |
Originally posted by Melethia:
Shopping in Europe - the continent, anyway - is better than in the states, and very little hassle for photogs compared to the US or the UK. :-) |
Originally posted by rich:
I'm sure it is an exception, but a shopkeeper in Paris about a week ago asked me to delete a photo I took of his storefront - he said it wasn't "authorized". I have no idea what that means, but I deleted the photo anyway to mollify him, it wasn't a big deal. But I have never had that happen in the states. |
Most national chains like Hollister, American Eagle, Target, Victoria's Secret, Penney's, and the like are quite adamant about not taking pictures of their displays.
They spend a lot of money on marketing & setup, and the possibility that a competitor would hire a spy photographer is very real.
Since most of their stores are on private property, i.e, shopping malls, you pretty much have to respect their wishes.
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12/15/2009 08:22:58 AM · #55 |
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
Originally posted by dmadden:
As a non U.S. citizen and I would never ever take a camera with me on trips to the states. My first fear would be ending up in a situation like this. Me being a black tourist with a camera in hand and a non-u.s. citizen. You could'nt pay me enough to photograph anything.
When I visit, I go straight to the malls and restaurants. If it was'nt for the shopping, I would'nt visit. Period!!!
I however would not visit europe, because I fear the same level of harassment and the shopping is'nt good there :) |
Originally posted by Melethia:
Shopping in Europe - the continent, anyway - is better than in the states, and very little hassle for photogs compared to the US or the UK. :-) |
Originally posted by rich:
I'm sure it is an exception, but a shopkeeper in Paris about a week ago asked me to delete a photo I took of his storefront - he said it wasn't "authorized". I have no idea what that means, but I deleted the photo anyway to mollify him, it wasn't a big deal. But I have never had that happen in the states. |
Most national chains like Hollister, American Eagle, Target, Victoria's Secret, Penney's, and the like are quite adamant about not taking pictures of their displays.
They spend a lot of money on marketing & setup, and the possibility that a competitor would hire a spy photographer is very real.
Since most of their stores are on private property, i.e, shopping malls, you pretty much have to respect their wishes. |
This was a public street, not a mall - Champs-Élysées. The store easily could have been a chain but it certainly was not their property where I was standing. |
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12/15/2009 08:53:51 AM · #56 |
Originally posted by rich:
This was a public street, not a mall - Champs-Élysées. The store easily could have been a chain but it certainly was not their property where I was standing. |
Then I'd say that you were a decent and considerate photographer that made a good impression on the storekeeper.
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12/15/2009 10:22:41 AM · #57 |
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
Originally posted by rich:
This was a public street, not a mall - Champs-Élysées. The store easily could have been a chain but it certainly was not their property where I was standing. |
Then I'd say that you were a decent and considerate photographer that made a good impression on the storekeeper. |
It might also help the cause if we were versed into the laws governing this type of activities in France. It might come as a shock to some, but in the Province of Quebec, one could be sued for displaying a photo of an individual (even if taken in a public place), without the consent of that individual.
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12/15/2009 11:06:21 AM · #58 |
| It all sucks. I'm going to resign myself to shooting freakin' water drops in the privacy of my own home. Or my cats. You've been warned. |
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12/15/2009 04:14:05 PM · #59 |
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
They have a gun and handcuffs, so I don't feel that being an unarmed person of interest is any time to get self-righteous.
I just don't have problems with people in those situations. If someone asks me what I'm doing, I look them in the eye, and answer their question in a civilized and polite manner. Most often, the courteous and polite attitude is enough to defray any further action. If they ask me to move along, I do. |
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Just because they have a badge and gun doesn't mean they can intimidate people for no good reason. |
You're absolutely 100% right!
You want to try and prove that point to someone with a gun and an attitude, you go right ahead. |
Nope, not at the time anyway.
However, I will make sure that their superiors, not just those in Law Enforcement, know about what happened, exactly how I feel about it and insist on an explanation. I don't have any problem with someone, in uniform or otherwise, making an inquiry about what I'm doing. I DO have a problem with being ordered to stop my lawful activity without explanation or reason.
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12/15/2009 05:38:03 PM · #60 |
Originally posted by Melethia:
It all sucks. I'm going to resign myself to shooting freakin' water drops in the privacy of my own home. Or my cats. You've been warned. |
I bet you can't. :) |
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01/27/2011 10:28:52 AM · #61 |
Looks like we are officially not terrorists now (at least in the US). Just saw this on TechCrunch.
Perhaps we should all print out a copy of the bulletin and carry it with us!
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01/27/2011 11:45:05 AM · #62 |
| Nice to know, although this is limited to federal facilities. Security guards at office buildings (private property) can still shoosh you away if they're in the mood. |
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01/27/2011 01:55:54 PM · #63 |
| Talk about abuse of power or lack of knowledge however you'd like to look at it, but it is SO irritating!!!! |
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06/15/2011 07:43:32 AM · #64 |
Bruce Schneier posted this in his Crypto-Gram newsletter:
Status report on the war on photography: Morgan Leigh Manning, "Less
than Picture Perfect: The Legal Relationship between Photographers'
Rights and Law Enforcement," Tennessee Law Review, Vol. 78, p. 105, 2010.
//papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1857623
I only read the abstract, not the whole PDF, but I think some, especially in the US, may find it useful.
Message edited by author 2011-06-16 03:10:15. |
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06/15/2011 10:40:52 AM · #65 |
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06/15/2011 10:54:09 AM · #66 |
From the UK...
Press photographer arrested for covering street fight.
'When we reach the stage that constables decide where we can and cannot point a camera in bringing you the news, we will be living in a police state.'
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06/15/2011 11:17:09 AM · #67 |
and from the official Manchester Police statement at Clive's link:
"A photographer was arrested ... the photographer was de-arrested ..."
We're screwed. People can now be de-arrested. Alas, I don't think we can be de-screwed. |
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06/15/2011 01:20:58 PM · #68 |
Originally posted by ubique:
We're screwed. People can now be de-arrested. Alas, I don't think we can be de-screwed. |
Ask any liberal, to de-screw, just turn left. If you have been turning right for a long time, you may have to go further left than you realize to get things de-screwed completely. |
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06/16/2011 02:53:41 AM · #69 |
Originally posted by ubique:
and from the official Manchester Police statement at Clive's link:
"A photographer was arrested ... the photographer was de-arrested ..."
We're screwed. People can now be de-arrested. Alas, I don't think we can be de-screwed. |
Check this out. There is still hope. |
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