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12/07/2009 06:37:12 PM · #26 |
In buying and selling my own equipment, I've sold stuff to people switching from Canon to Nikon, and bought stuff from people switching from Nikon to Canon. There seems to always be about the same number of people switching either direction. I'm starting to believe that people are just chasing the green grass on the other side of the street, and that all that trading around isn't going to make me any better, just poorer.
That said, if you've taken good care of your equipment, still have the boxes, and buy used, you shouldn't get hurt too bad financially. You might even be able to find someone who wants to trade. |
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12/07/2009 06:38:40 PM · #27 |
Originally posted by george917:
Basically every Nikon lens you would want will fit on the D90. From the 60s to the 00s. So that's enough reason to stick to Nikon IMO - it's cheaper! If you don't care for IS, get a bunch of prime "AF-D" lenses and you're all set. I'd be doing the same thing right now, I just don't have the money. |
Basically, every Nikon lens you would want will fit on a Canon ;-)
Seriously, most all of the old manual Nikkor glass is usable on Canon bodies with a mechanical adapter, and works flawlessly. Of course, manual aperture and focus, but hey...
As already posted, Nikon bodies do seem to be a little less money for the same level of performance, but Canon lenses are definitely less expensive for similar product. And there *is* a lot more Canon used glass out there, that I know for sure.
You are taking exactly the right approach; beg, borrow or rent (don't steal) one and shoot the snot out of it for a week or two. Bottom line, either brand is going to perform well; one may have slight advantages in certain areas, the other in other areas. What matters is which *total system* fits your needs. Good luck on the decision!
Edit for typo
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12/07/2009 07:39:16 PM · #28 |
I love Canon as a brand. I have various printers and scanners that work flawlessly and thier software has never given me trouble, unlike HP! I have a Canon Point and Shoot which was excellent value and delivered great results. I was set on getting the 450D when I went DSLR.
After using a friends 450D and 350D I found them to be plasticky and cheap. I didn't like the buttons and the menu was for me difficult to understand compared with Nikon D80/D90. The Nikon feels better and is solid in my hands and the glass available both new and 2nd Hand in Sigma and Nikon flavours is more than I could wish for in a lifetime and no worse price than Canon.
I love my D90 and wouldn't swop it for a "mid-range" Canon if you paid me. I cannot speak for the pro models such as the D300 vs 40/50D's but again everything in life is subjective. I never was a brand whore till I picked up a Nikon. Even the D3000/D5000 that are below the D90 in specs feel solid compared with the other brands in the same class, not just Canon.
Take up that offer of the kind souls who will loan you a camera and glass. I did, and I ended up with (now 4) Nikon's :)
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12/07/2009 07:49:05 PM · #29 |
Originally posted by kirbic:
Originally posted by george917:
Basically every Nikon lens you would want will fit on the D90. From the 60s to the 00s. So that's enough reason to stick to Nikon IMO - it's cheaper! If you don't care for IS, get a bunch of prime "AF-D" lenses and you're all set. I'd be doing the same thing right now, I just don't have the money. |
Basically, every Nikon lens you would want will fit on a Canon ;-)
Seriously, most all of the old manual Nikkor glass is usable on Canon bodies with a mechanical adapter, and works flawlessly. Of course, manual aperture and focus, but hey... |
But "hey," what? If I want manual focus, I'll use the MF stuff on anything, I know. But...
...I'm talking specifically AF, AF-D, and AF-G lenses that have dropped a lot in price, many of which use the same optics as newer AF-S lenses but cost a lot less because they don't have the USM. So in those cases, not just fit but also meter and focus. They'll meter and focus on a D90, which is an excellent camera which is due to be replaced by an even better one. There are millions of those lenses available because they were produced for such a long time (some still are), and there are tens (or hundreds?) of different models. Granted, they don't have IS, but if you're looking at old stuff already, I'm sure you can let THAT slide if you're looking to save some money.
Message edited by author 2009-12-07 19:50:31. |
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12/07/2009 11:01:14 PM · #30 |
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12/08/2009 01:51:54 AM · #31 |
Originally posted by snaffles:
Originally posted by RayEthier:
Rest assured I would definitely give a Canon more than a few clicks, I was thinking at least a week-long trial period. As for the seditious influence, well, there's a pic of him in my portfolio...;-) |
If you want to know how it feels in your hands, call me... I have one I could lend you for a bit... and being that I am as generous as the rest of the Canon owners, I might even lend you a lens too. :O)
Ray |
Sounds like a plan, Ray! And yes I would take good care of it. Do you have any lenses like my 18-200mm? If not, Ryan may...[/quote]
Take a quick look at my profile... what I have is listed there :O)
Ray |
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12/08/2009 02:30:22 AM · #32 |
| Thanks Ray! What a generous offer! :-) |
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12/08/2009 10:38:20 AM · #33 |
Originally posted by xion:
Do yo have a photographic reason to switch?
You can buy any camera from any brand but if you shoot the same things the same way,they are going to look the same.
If there's one thing you need to switch, it's your imagination. |
I hate seeing responses like this. Lets show some respect and help our fellow photogs!
Come on Xion, get with the program!
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12/08/2009 11:01:08 AM · #34 |
| Ryan, I think the real solution is that you should switch to Nikon, just to show your devotion. |
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12/08/2009 02:06:40 PM · #35 |
| Oooh, can I kill a thread off or what? |
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12/08/2009 02:43:33 PM · #36 |
I switched from Nikon to Canon when I switched from film to digital. I was a HUGE fan of nikon F series film cameras and nikkor AIS lenses. But, at least at that point in time, Canon had superior sensor technology. Nikon has come a long way since then and I'm not sure that either system is clearly superior these days. But, the new Nikon does not hold the same allure as the old Nikon for me and last time I looked Canon had a few of the more interesting prime lenses the keep my attention.
I have switched bodies multiple times and gone from APS-C to full frame, so I have some experience with swapping out equipment. Higher end lenses don't seem to lose much value and I have been able to sell on ebay without taking a big hit. Digital bodies, on the other hand, drop in value fairly quickly once their replacement has been announced.
I'm sure none of this helps, but I've debated switching systems often enough to understand exactly how you feel. The key thing to remember is that your vision will remain the same and you will find a way to get the image regardless of the system you are using. |
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12/08/2009 03:08:04 PM · #37 |
Originally posted by Nusbaum:
.....The key thing to remember is that your vision will remain the same and you will find a way to get the image regardless of the system you are using. |
Ain't that the truth, and others have mentioned it too. I know going Canon isn't going to magically turn me into a better photographer. It's really just a matter of logistics more than anything else. And as I am a packrat I would be keeping my Nikon gear anyway. The main point is simply that as I am already preparing to take the leap up to a D90, I could just as easily switch to Canon.
Thanks to everyone (yes, even you, Spiffy ;-) for your advice and input on this issue. I'm sure I'll be hearing from Ray before much longer and will have a Canon in hand, for awhile, before long. |
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12/09/2009 10:32:19 AM · #38 |
Originally posted by Yo_Spiff:
Ryan, I think the real solution is that you should switch to Nikon, just to show your devotion. |
lol I would consider it. I just have too much invested! lol Actually, Canon pays me to date people. Paying me, once they make the switch. Then I move on... lol lol
Do I know how to get in the dog house or what? lol |
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12/09/2009 10:36:46 AM · #39 |
Originally posted by Magnumphotography:
Actually, Canon pays me to date people. Paying me, once they make the switch. Then I move on... lol lol
Do I know how to get in the dog house or what? lol |
The marketing concept has some merit. |
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12/09/2009 10:46:20 AM · #40 |
Originally posted by Magnumphotography:
Originally posted by Yo_Spiff:
Ryan, I think the real solution is that you should switch to Nikon, just to show your devotion. |
lol I would consider it. I just have too much invested! lol Actually, Canon pays me to date people. Paying me, once they make the switch. Then I move on... lol lol
Do I know how to get in the dog house or what? lol |
*eyeroll* Well, someone's going to get a spanking next time I see him! ;-0 |
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12/09/2009 11:01:59 AM · #41 |
Originally posted by snaffles:
*eyeroll* Well, someone's going to get a spanking next time I see him! ;-0 |
Pictures !!! |
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12/09/2009 05:46:04 PM · #42 |
there is one guy on the Fred Miranda forum who's switching to canon from nikon. He is heavily (very) invested in Nikon gear so he may even come away with a profit due to Nikon gear being mroe expensive at retail.
Anyway, I think he made the jump because he wants to do landscape work so wants a 5d2 and fast wide primes which Nikon dont do (24mm 1.4, 14 2.8, 35 1.4 etc). |
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12/09/2009 06:53:43 PM · #43 |
In all truth, I am really looking forward to playing around with Canon gear. Been bouncing around the house all day...well that's also some cabin fever, thank gawd I didn't have to work on today, we had a tremendous dump of snow all say.
And as I haven't seen Ray, the troublemaker who introduced me to this site in the first place, since late spring I am definitely looking forward to seeing him tomorrow evening, when the big handoff goes down. For one thing, it means I get a new toy to play with, and now we don't have to worry about Ryan's Canon lenses not fitting my Nikon body...;-) |
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12/10/2009 06:24:13 PM · #44 |
Ok all you Canon people, I now have a 20D to play with and a couple of great lenses, so for the next little while I'll be shooting Canon...BUT will continue to shoot Nikon too!
Huge thanks again for being trusting enough to loan me the gear, Ray! ((HUGS)) |
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12/10/2009 07:16:36 PM · #45 |
Originally posted by snaffles:
Ok all you Canon people, I now have a 20D to play with and a couple of great lenses, so for the next little while I'll be shooting Canon...BUT will continue to shoot Nikon too!
Huge thanks again for being trusting enough to loan me the gear, Ray! ((HUGS)) |
Best of luck with your choice of camera,s i,d say it must be a bit of a delemma choosing
Message edited by author 2009-12-10 19:16:54. |
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12/10/2009 07:38:09 PM · #46 |
Originally posted by toddster45:
Originally posted by snaffles:
Ok all you Canon people, I now have a 20D to play with and a couple of great lenses, so for the next little while I'll be shooting Canon...BUT will continue to shoot Nikon too!
Huge thanks again for being trusting enough to loan me the gear, Ray! ((HUGS)) |
Best of luck with your choice of camera,s i,d say it must be a bit of a delemma choosing |
Hmm, probably not too much. I pretty much plan to stick with Nikon, but why not mess around a little with Canon and learn that system too? Can't hurt. I am principally an English-style rider/horse trainer, but I know enough Western to get by. And when I'm teaching a newbie how to ride, and they haven't yet which style they want to ride, the basics of both are very, very similar. That makes things less complicated for me as an instructor and them as a student, until they figure out which they wanted to pursue. So that's how I'm approaching this.
And naturally, would hate to have anything happen to the Nikon...but if it did, at least then I would be able to pick up a Canon and be familiar with the system and adjustments I have to make.
Meanwhile, in terms of figuring out which button/dial does what, quite similar to the D40. So far it's the sheer physical size of the body that I notice more than anything else. |
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12/10/2009 07:46:55 PM · #47 |
Originally posted by snaffles:
Originally posted by toddster45:
Originally posted by snaffles:
Ok all you Canon people, I now have a 20D to play with and a couple of great lenses, so for the next little while I'll be shooting Canon...BUT will continue to shoot Nikon too!
Huge thanks again for being trusting enough to loan me the gear, Ray! ((HUGS)) |
Best of luck with your choice of camera,s i,d say it must be a bit of a delemma choosing |
Hmm, probably not too much. I pretty much plan to stick with Nikon, but why not mess around a little with Canon and learn that system too? Can't hurt. I am principally an English-style rider/horse trainer, but I know enough Western to get by. And when I'm teaching a newbie how to ride, and they haven't yet which style they want to ride, the basics of both are very, very similar. That makes things less complicated for me as an instructor and them as a student, until they figure out which they wanted to pursue. So that's how I'm approaching this.
And naturally, would hate to have anything happen to the Nikon...but if it did, at least then I would be able to pick up a Canon and be familiar with the system and adjustments I have to make.
Meanwhile, in terms of figuring out which button/dial does what, quite similar to the D40. So far it's the sheer physical size of the body that I notice more than anything else. |
Is the canon is bigger then the d40? does it feel good in your hands i have a few friends at work who bought canon over nikon as it felt better in there hands..Gord
Message edited by author 2009-12-10 20:08:06. |
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12/11/2009 06:40:09 PM · #48 |
Yes, the 20D is a bigger format than the D40 and so about 30-40% bigger and heavier than the D40. As are the lenses, or so it seems! Today Ryan and I shot at the Canadian War Musuem in Ottawa. I was packing the 20D with the 10-22mm onboard and in a gorgeous camera bag, the 28-135mm, along with my flash.
BTW...Ryan is dealing with a death in the family and will be out of town for a few days, so I've promised him that until his return, I'll be posting pix taken with the 20D on my portfolio for him to look at. |
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12/12/2009 09:43:02 PM · #49 |
Don't know if anyone's really interested or not but as I am test-driving Canon for a week or two, thought I'd turn this into a mini-blog as I compare the Canon EOS 20D, currently outfitted with the 10-22mm, to my Nikon D40 and the 18-200mm.
Haven't yet been able to upload any pics from the Canon as both  RayEthier and I completely forgot that my card reader and SD cards are all a leetle smaller than the CS! So am getting a CS reader tomorrow. So no pics up from the War Museum yet, though they will be put in my portfolio probably by tomorrow afternoon.
Shot today for a challenge, using both cameras at approximately the same settings; also tried to shoot from the same general angles for fair comparison. My personal preference is to shoot handheld, so the lighter weight and size of the Nikon (along with the VR reduction in the 18-200) makes doing so much easier. The Canon's greater size and weight made it a bit trickier, but I think I got off some decent shots. And that 10-22mm lens is killer!
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12/12/2009 09:46:48 PM · #50 |
Well, I can always send you an XTI to borrow if you want to play with that too.
I don't know about Nikons or the whole debate over them. I do know that I like what I have both in the XTI and the 50D. The 5 is tack sharp and easy to use as is the XTI. The Tamron lenses that I do have for both of them are outstanding in quality and sharpness and are just as equal as the Canon primes.
I am sure you will get arguments over both of them just like a PC versus Mac. But the Canon users and the Nikon users can only tell you what theirs is like. In the end it will be up to you.
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