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12/01/2009 06:16:33 PM · #51 |
Originally posted by posthumous:
"doing ok" 6+ score
"doing well" scoring below 4.5, a shot for the brown!
"great shot" scoring below 4.5 with favorites and a comment from  eyewave or some other ribbon winner telling me what crap it is. |
LOL! So true, Don! Thanks for the reminder to all us Team Suckers. :-) |
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12/01/2009 06:26:30 PM · #52 |
| I think I'm to the point that I consider the 6-ish range to be doing well. There are always a few that I feel should have scored better, and then there are a few I wonder how on earth they scored as high as they did. It's a constant learning experience for me. |
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12/01/2009 06:38:17 PM · #53 |
Originally posted by posthumous:
"doing ok" 6+ score
"doing well" scoring below 4.5, a shot for the brown!
"great shot" scoring below 4.5 with favorites and a comment from eyewave or some other ribbon winner telling me what crap it is. |
Dang. I need to leave more comments like this in hopes of making Don's day... |
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12/01/2009 06:39:42 PM · #54 |
5.0+ Doing ok
5.5+ Doing very well
6.0+ Obscene (Looking at my scores, I can't remember obscene)
Ribbon - Can't relate
Pleasing myself... PRICELESS |
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12/01/2009 06:40:30 PM · #55 |
Originally posted by bmartuch:
Pleasing myself... PRICELESS |
Dude. That's a little too much information... |
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12/01/2009 06:50:47 PM · #56 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Originally posted by Nadine_Vb:
Originally posted by Tez:
i think the 'building to bird' debate is very short sighted and ill-informed.
There's a reason good architecture photographers are sought after- because a building is just a building to 99% of people, but to that 1%, it's a canvas.
I think with that comment you're insulting every architectural photographer that has ever been by saying one requires more complex skills. And a more expensive lens? Not really... tilt shift lenses are expensive, Leica lenses are expensive (if you want the best in corner sharpness, rent one of these and convert it).
Do your homework. |
Insulting? not at all. You are seeing it as an insult.
Each of the specific domains require different skills. Frankly, I would prefer to have to make a photograph of a building than one of a flying bird. The bird will be gone quickly, the building will stay there and the photographer can take all the time he wants to compose his image. He will be able to start over if the first shot didn't succeed. Some students simply take a half a day with a large format camera to make 6 to 8 shots of a building - and not because of the light is better at that or another moment of the day.
The bird will not come back if the photographer missed his shot.
Did some homework already the past few years, thank you. |
Well, I'm a retired architectural photographer, the high-end type (Architectural Digest, Progressive Architecture, stuff like that), and it's my personal feeling there's a LOT more good bird shooters out there than good architectural shooters, but hey, everyone can have an opinion :-)
R. |
I think there's a lot more good bird shooters than architectural shooters because more people are interested in photographing birds. Once you know what you're doing, I think they're equally as difficult. I am amazed when someone gets a picture of a building that's interesting and intriguing. I've only done it once, and I have no idea why it's good--I just really like it. My other pictures of buildings are quite dull and uninteresting. An architectural challenge scares the crap out of me, because I have no idea how to make a building look interesting. So I am amazed at the skill of those who can. But since I've become relatively accomplished at bird photography, bird photos don't impress me that much unless that are very, very good.
The upshot of that ramble is this: to do either shot well, I mean REALLY well, it takes a lot of skill, knowledge and talent.
Oh, and btw, what I consider "doing well?" The quick answer is anything above 6 is doing well. The more involved answer is: it depends on what I enter. If I enter a shot that's quirky, and I know it's quirky and won't do well, I'm extremely happy with a 5.5 or so. If it's a free study, I expect somewhere between a 5.6 and 5.8, so anything 5.7 or above is a happy score.
Message edited by author 2009-12-01 18:53:54. |
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12/01/2009 06:54:30 PM · #57 |
| I'm thrilled if my entries make it to the 5's.........I seem to be gettin closer to getting there on goals but still an uphill road........I also have to remind myself that photography is a subjective medium just like any art form is and try to not get my shorts wadded that I apparently suck compared to most folks..... |
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12/01/2009 06:54:30 PM · #58 |
| I'm doing okay if I am in the 6.4 range. If I am above a 6.6 I'm happy, If I'm over a 7 I need to change my underwear after every click of the update button. |
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12/01/2009 07:04:22 PM · #59 |
My own personal 'par' is 6. If I have a shot above 6, then I am satisfied with it, whereas below 6, I am disappointing. I feel a shot is doing well if it is 6.5 or higher.
Now, if I have a shot that is generating a lot of comments, or getting a lot of favorites, then it doesn't matter what the score is, as I will feel it is doing well. |
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12/01/2009 07:05:00 PM · #60 |
| I'm happy when I'm above the 50%, so that's why I'm always so depressive :) |
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12/01/2009 07:06:19 PM · #61 |
| Shee! I was NOT saying architectural photography is easy, and any subject will certainly benefit from a better lens. There are some subjects that are more demanding, however. I have a cheap lens and my shots of non-moving, large buildings are sharper than my distant shots of fast moving birds. That does not mean any of them are great, there are other skills and talents involved. I think you misunderstood what I was saying. Again, 80/20. |
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12/01/2009 07:17:16 PM · #62 |
Originally posted by Yo_Spiff:
Shee! I was NOT saying architectural photography is easy, and any subject will certainly benefit from a better lens. There are some subjects that are more demanding, however. I have a cheap lens and my shots of non-moving, large buildings are sharper than my distant shots of fast moving birds. That does not mean any of them are great, there are other skills and talents involved. I think you misunderstood what I was saying. Again, 80/20. |
No, no, it's 80% photographer, 20% equipment and 200% being a lucky b@stard!
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12/01/2009 08:28:05 PM · #63 |
| Day 2 in the current Polka Dot challenge, with 7 positive comments = Doing excellent. The 5.5 score means little to nothing.. |
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12/01/2009 09:29:13 PM · #64 |
5~5.5 is mediocre
5.5~6 is ok
6~6.5 is nice
6.5~7 is great
7 up is fantastic
8 up could hang in a museum
My goal is to pull up the average to 6 and it's a hard work.(sweating)
To me, keeping average 6 is more important than getting a ribbon. One can get a ribbon by lucky, but needs actual strength to keep average 6.
Message edited by author 2009-12-01 22:27:10. |
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12/01/2009 09:30:59 PM · #65 |
| I'm thrilled if I break a five these days. Sometime around the beginning of the year, I started entering stuff that I like (versus what I think you will like) and my average tanked. |
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12/01/2009 09:39:13 PM · #66 |
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
Originally posted by bmartuch:
Pleasing myself... PRICELESS |
Dude. That's a little too much information... |
I was refering to liking my own pictures! What were you talking about? Please explain. |
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12/01/2009 09:47:23 PM · #67 |
| For some reason, my favorite photos frequently end up in the 5.9's So I'm happy with a 5.9 (or higher). |
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12/01/2009 09:50:25 PM · #68 |
I thought this thread was about life.
Message edited by author 2009-12-01 22:26:15. |
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12/01/2009 09:58:47 PM · #69 |
Originally posted by Deen:
5~5.5 is mediocre
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I'm doomed. |
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12/01/2009 10:02:32 PM · #70 |
| For me. 5.7/5.8/5.9 is doing well. 6.0 - 6.3/6.4 is going real good. 6.5 upwards I feel I nailed it. Anything I get below the 5.7 is a personal letdown. in the polka dot challenge I was not too pleased with the shot and even predicted in the details box that I didn't expect it to make 5.5 however score is 5.8 and stable with 7 comments, so apparently it is a better shot than I thought. |
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12/01/2009 10:25:51 PM · #71 |
Originally posted by bmartuch:
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
Originally posted by bmartuch:
Pleasing myself... PRICELESS |
Dude. That's a little too much information... |
I was refering to liking my own pictures! What were you talking about? Please explain. |
Please don't make him. :P |
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12/01/2009 10:32:45 PM · #72 |
For me, there are different ways of doing well. I'm not terribly experienced in photography as a whole, and I especially wasn't in lighting technique or knowledge when I first started out. Flash was my bane (now it's just my tactless friend; I like it well enough, but I always hesitate when inviting it to the party, never knowing what will happen). Having said that, there are things that I can capture without this knowledge. Landscapes are far easier for me because I've always immersed myself in them, so when I submit a "pretty" or "majestic" landscape, I hope for and expect a better outcome than when I'm experimenting with genres or techniques I'm not so familiar with.
Generally, if I score over 6, I'm pretty happy that I achieved my goal. If I'm trying something new, it's more based on what I personally think of my progress in that venue; what I learned in the process of creating the outcome. Having successfully educated myself in something, that is true success ("doing well") to me.
I also enjoy favorites more than comments, because to me, when somebody selects your photo as a favorite, it means that photo resonated with them in some manner. To me photography is about showing something to a stranger, or at least to another individual, and if I am selected as a favorite, it is clear that I have successfully done this. |
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12/01/2009 11:13:35 PM · #73 |
Originally posted by bvy:
I'm thrilled if I break a five these days. Sometime around the beginning of the year, I stamenarted entering stuff that I like (versus what I think you will like) and my average tanked. |
amen |
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12/01/2009 11:24:54 PM · #74 |
Considering my recent 4.2094 brown on  , guess I'll refrain from entering the bird / architecture discussion... Still floundering after 2 1/2 years with little idea of how to improve. I'm pretty happy with anything that finishes above 5.4. |
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12/01/2009 11:28:44 PM · #75 |
Originally posted by Yo_Spiff:
Originally posted by Nadine_Vb:
A razor sharp image of a flying bird e.g. will get a slightly higher score than an also razor sharp image of a building, even though well taken. Both require skills, but one requires other and complexer skills than the other, imho. |
And a more expensive lens. |
or studio lights |
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