ISO 1000, did a photo session, images are NOISY..

Tamron 16-300mm Di II VC PZD MACRO w/Canon Nikon mount

11/19/2009 09:37:57 PM · #1

What to do, what to do... Should I just own up to my mistake & do a retake on the session... Or, should I wait to see how the prints come out ???? I can't believe this happend.. I never mess with my ISO and after trying some shots for that stupid 47 steps challenge at night, I forgot to check my ISO and it was at 1000... :-(... I did a session with this darling family at the park & I'm worried about how the prints will look..

Has anyone ever printed images like this, even after running them through NI or Topaz denoise, what will they look like ??? I'm just sick over it and want to just call them and say, my fault, lets do the session over... What should I do ???

JulietNN

Canon EOS R7

11/19/2009 09:39:33 PM · #2

do the session again, if you have doubts now, then you know something is not right!

Canon EF 24-70mm f/2.8L USM

11/19/2009 09:43:31 PM · #3

Originally posted by JulietNN:

do the session again, if you have doubts now, then you know something is not right!

OK, how do I tell them with out sounding like I'm a moron... She's super nice and I don't see it being a problem, but I'll be honest.. I'm so embarrased I made this mistake and I just can't seem to find the right words..

brownsm

Canon EOS-5D

11/19/2009 09:46:11 PM · #4

if you'd like to see how Noise Ninja can help one of those files, let me know. I'll PM you my email address, send me a 'noisy' pic and I can try out Noise Ninja for you.

karmat

Apple iPhone 7

Canon EF 70-200mm f/4.0L USM

11/19/2009 09:47:42 PM · #5

Hit it with just a touch of noise reduction and get at test print or two made. My experience is that in something, prints are a little more forgiving than digital -- not always.

If it is not acceptable, maybe just explain to them that there were a couple of technical issues that keep you from being totally happy with the product (unless they understand ISO, then explain that to them) and you would like to re-shoot a couple of the poses, etc.

11/19/2009 09:58:15 PM · #6

It happens.....shake it off and move forward. Suck it up, and ask for a reshoot due to a technical problem you overlooked.

You might try to edit them.

I have done a fair amount of high ISO work that I've had good success with using my old D70s and that was a much more crude unit than your D80.

Also, depending on your client, you might find that you can do some edgy, high-contrast, high key processing and get a different look than you had wanted but nice images nonetheless......

These are two I shot for the women that work in the salon where I get my hair cut.

They love them, and it wasn't what they were expecting.

Might be worth a try, especially if you think the images are a wash anyway.

11/19/2009 10:02:06 PM · #7

Originally posted by brownsm:

if you'd like to see how Noise Ninja can help one of those files, let me know. I'll PM you my email address, send me a 'noisy' pic and I can try out Noise Ninja for you.

for sure.. Thank you...

11/19/2009 10:03:12 PM · #8

Originally posted by karmat:

That's a good idea.. I'm ordering some tonight !!! I'm gonna post a few of them and see what you guys think..

11/19/2009 10:05:04 PM · #9

Originally posted by NikonJeb:

Yeah, this is what my gut is telling me.. I don't think they have any idea of what ISO is and just saying it was a technical problem is the wording I was looking for.. I just wasn't sure how much to say, what NOT to say even more importantly... I figure if the test shots come out unacceptable, then I can do a reshoot and give them a free print to make up for my mistake..

Thanks for the advice !!!

11/19/2009 10:05:11 PM · #10

Originally posted by brownsm:

if you'd like to see how Noise Ninja can help one of those files, let me know. I'll PM you my email address, send me a 'noisy' pic and I can try out Noise Ninja for you.

Originally posted by kandykarml:

for sure.. Thank you...

I'd be happy to try an edit on one for you if you like as well.

NikonJeb@gmail.com if you like.

zxaar

11/19/2009 10:08:04 PM · #11

Originally posted by NikonJeb:

what iso are these???

Message edited by author 2009-11-19 22:08:28.

Nikon AF-S DX Zoom-Nikkor 17-55mm f/2.8G IF-ED

11/19/2009 10:08:20 PM · #12

Here's an example.. Strange thing is that this looks much worse when downloaded onto a website.. Once I pull it up in PS, it doesn't look nearly this bad...

I've put all three of these through Topaz Denoise..

this one has essentially no editing to it, other then denoise..

Message edited by author 2009-11-19 22:18:08.

cdrice

Nikon D7000

11/19/2009 10:27:19 PM · #13

On my D80, I had uncorrectable noise at iso 800 and above. Noise Ninja helped (a lot), but if you peeped close enough, it was still present. I think others have offered to help with NN processing as well. I've got custom NN profiles for the D80 also, and would be happy to help if I can in processing -- but from my own experience, you will only be able to clean those up "so much."

I'll agree with previous posts as well -- if you're looking at simply using these for prints (vs. online), the little remaining noise may be completely unnoticeable in print and may not be worth worrying about. Otherwise, I think a reshoot is definitely in order. If I realized I had accidentally shot anything at 1000 on my D80, I don't think I'd bother to even try to process it completely clean -- I'd just reshoot it if I could.

It's a hard lesson, but I bet you won't forget to check your iso again before a shoot. ;)

scalvert

Canon EOS-5D Mark III

Canon EF 24-105mm f/4.0L IS

11/19/2009 10:34:06 PM · #14

Um... what noise? Those look fine to me (if anything, they're a little too clean).

chromeydome

Nikon D7000

Nikon AF-S NIKKOR 24-70mm f/2.8G ED

11/19/2009 10:38:41 PM · #15

I had something similar happen--went thru a fair part of a shoot at IS0 2000

denoise, easy on the sharpening, and keeping the image size in control (no 11x14s, 16x20s) combined with the fact the images were well lit allowed me to use all of the images. I think a factor in how noisy the higher ISO images are is how low the lighting is in the first place, as noise is most prevalent in the darker/shadow areas. I kept them to 8x10 size, and they were okay. Yours look much better than mine did.

In the examples you posted, I dont see anything objectionable. Of course YOU know about it, and you can see the difference, but to the casual observer (and the subjects/clients) I doubt they will even notice.

11/19/2009 10:43:13 PM · #16

Originally posted by scalvert:

Um... what noise? Those look fine to me (if anything, they're a little too clean).

Your kidding right... lol.. Jeb also said he didn't think they were bad.. I agree with them being "too clean"... I can't seem to find a way to run them through a noise program that doesn't make them look this "edited"... So, I'm waiting to see what NN does with the RAW files.. I may be investing in ANOTHER noise reduction program.. Oh, the hubby is going to love this one..

11/19/2009 10:45:43 PM · #17

Originally posted by scalvert:

Um... what noise? Those look fine to me (if anything, they're a little too clean).

Originally posted by kandykarml:

You did a much better job that I could......8>)

See what they think, if they don't like 'em, reshoot.

I always tell people I shoot that if it doesn't work out the first time, I'll reshoot.

Canon EF 24-70mm f/2.8L USM

11/19/2009 10:51:26 PM · #18

Originally posted by NikonJeb:

Also, depending on your client, you might find that you can do some edgy, high-contrast, high key processing and get a different look than you had wanted but nice images nonetheless......

These are two I shot for the women that work in the salon where I get my hair cut.

Originally posted by zxaar:

what iso are these???

They were at 500, but I actually amped up the noise.

brownsm

Canon EOS-5D

11/19/2009 10:53:05 PM · #19

here's a web-sized version using noise ninja, resize, then sharpen. even before resizing it looks pretty good.

Kristin, I sent you the fullsized version, with just Noise Ninja applied and nothing else.

11/19/2009 10:55:28 PM · #20

Originally posted by brownsm:

here's a web-sized version using noise ninja, resize, then sharpen. even before resizing it looks pretty good.

Kristin, I sent you the fullsized version, with just Noise Ninja applied and nothing else.

THANK YOU !!! I'm gonna add your version to my test prints... Then I can see the difference when it really matters.. It's so hard to tell on the puter...

zxaar

11/19/2009 11:04:25 PM · #21

Originally posted by NikonJeb:

Originally posted by NikonJeb:
Also, depending on your client, you might find that you can do some edgy, high-contrast, high key processing and get a different look than you had wanted but nice images nonetheless......

These are two I shot for the women that work in the salon where I get my hair cut.

Originally posted by zxaar:
what iso are these???

They were at 500, but I actually amped up the noise.

How did you amped up, i mean did you add the noise to it by software or noise was there but accentuated by processing. Look very noisey for iso500.
(but effect is good).

11/19/2009 11:14:30 PM · #22

Originally posted by zxaar:

How did you amped up, i mean did you add the noise to it by software or noise was there but accentuated by processing. Look very noisey for iso500.
(but effect is good).

Added noise in PP 'cause I liked the effect.

glad2badad

Apple iPhone 16 Pro

Lensbaby Sweet 35 Optic

11/19/2009 11:25:58 PM · #23

Originally posted by kandykarml:

I agree with them being "too clean"... I can't seem to find a way to run them through a noise program that doesn't make them look this "edited"...

Before running a noise reduction program duplicate the layer, then apply noise reduction - change the opacity of the layer with the applied noise reduction until it feels right.

zxaar

11/19/2009 11:30:19 PM · #24

Originally posted by NikonJeb:

Originally posted by zxaar:
How did you amped up, i mean did you add the noise to it by software or noise was there but accentuated by processing. Look very noisey for iso500.
(but effect is good).

Added noise in PP 'cause I liked the effect.

thanks that explains.