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 11/22/2009 08:14:04 PM · #26
I'm going to have to replace my 10 y/o dell PC. I have CS3. For CS3 I understand that I would need the Win7 Professional or Ulitmate to run CS3. Is anyone running CS3 with the Professional or Ultimate Win7 in the XP mode?
 11/22/2009 11:34:06 PM · #27
So here is an early problem I seem to be having. Settings don't seem to "stick". For example, CS2 keeps asking me to register even though I click "Do not register". My cookie for this site doesn't seem to stick because sometimes I'll come on and I won't be logged in (although come to think of it, I didn't have to do that just now).

I turned down the security in hopes that would help, but we'll see. It's probably just a matter of getting used to the new OS.
 11/23/2009 01:01:17 AM · #28
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
So here is an early problem I seem to be having. Settings don't seem to "stick". For example, CS2 keeps asking me to register even though I click "Do not register". My cookie for this site doesn't seem to stick because sometimes I'll come on and I won't be logged in (although come to think of it, I didn't have to do that just now).

I turned down the security in hopes that would help, but we'll see. It's probably just a matter of getting used to the new OS.


I don't have those issues with either the DPC site sign in or Photoshop running Windows 7, but I'm running CS4. I didn't think CS2 ran under Windows Vista or Windows 7 without some bugs. Maybe they updated it?
 11/24/2009 01:40:27 AM · #29
Originally posted by crik:
I'm going to have to replace my 10 y/o dell PC. I have CS3. For CS3 I understand that I would need the Win7 Professional or Ulitmate to run CS3. Is anyone running CS3 with the Professional or Ultimate Win7 in the XP mode?


fwiw, i ran cs3 and cs4 on xp on a 6 yr old laptop. my laptop ran cs4 without a hiccup in win7. i find cs3 to be snappier than cs4. cs3 in xp is snappier than cs4 in xp or win7 (on the same older machine).

i don't know about compatibility with cs3 and win7.

i would be completely happy with cs3 on an older machine. on a newer machine, i would want cs4 because of the vid card accelerator but it isn't a huge deal.
 11/24/2009 02:36:20 AM · #30
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
So here is an early problem I seem to be having. Settings don't seem to "stick". For example, CS2 keeps asking me to register even though I click "Do not register". My cookie for this site doesn't seem to stick because sometimes I'll come on and I won't be logged in (although come to think of it, I didn't have to do that just now).

I turned down the security in hopes that would help, but we'll see. It's probably just a matter of getting used to the new OS.


Are you running the computer as a standard user or administrator? There seems to be quite a few glitches with the standard user security settings, eg. the database for Microsoft Malicious Software Removal needs administrator privileges to update, the Visual Performance Settings do not stick with normal user privileges - to get rid of all the animations, window tilting in aero makes me seasick.

So I'm back on running the Windows machine as administrator... Microsoft can't make the a really useful user account. How many of you run the computer as a standard user?

Message edited by author 2009-11-24 02:36:58.
 11/24/2009 08:09:29 AM · #31
Originally posted by fridjo:
So I'm back on running the Windows machine as administrator... Microsoft can't make the a really useful user account. How many of you run the computer as a standard user?


I'm running my account with admin privileges, however my son (Senior in HS and well schooled in computer technology) is also using this as his primary machine and he is running as a standard user. He's had very few problems associated with the standard user account. Probably his biggest complaint is that he can't delete desktop shortcut icons without admin privs.
 11/24/2009 08:18:43 AM · #32
Originally posted by fridjo:
So I'm back on running the Windows machine as administrator... Microsoft can't make the a really useful user account. How many of you run the computer as a standard user?

Hopefully Microsoft gets this fixed ASAP since you should really avoid using the administrator account in order to reduce virus attacks.
 11/24/2009 08:59:07 AM · #33
Having a slight problem with my 2 external usb hard drives. Sometimes they work, sometimes they dont (done all the troubleshooting stuff but they still play up). Looking at their support sites they do not have any info re Win7 64 bit support. There is a bios update due on 27th Nov for my pc, will that fix it? (Kind of think not as this appears to be driver issues)

Message edited by author 2009-11-24 09:00:15.
 11/24/2009 09:09:56 AM · #34
Originally posted by kirbic:
Originally posted by fridjo:
So I'm back on running the Windows machine as administrator... Microsoft can't make the a really useful user account. How many of you run the computer as a standard user?


I'm running my account with admin privileges, however my son (Senior in HS and well schooled in computer technology) is also using this as his primary machine and he is running as a standard user. He's had very few problems associated with the standard user account. Probably his biggest complaint is that he can't delete desktop shortcut icons without admin privs.

But are both of you really running 64 bit kirbic? I have given a couple of guys in one of my departments the task of testing the 64 bit version due to some CMM (coordinate measuring machine) requirements and we also have some problems. The 32 bit version however seems to be better but unfortunately not sufficient for our needs. Looks like we need to stay with XP 64bit for now.
 11/24/2009 09:11:47 AM · #35
Originally posted by Sevlow:
Having a slight problem with my 2 external usb hard drives. Sometimes they work, sometimes they dont (done all the troubleshooting stuff but they still play up). Looking at their support sites they do not have any info re Win7 64 bit support. There is a bios update due on 27th Nov for my pc, will that fix it? (Kind of think not as this appears to be driver issues)

What is your USB cable quality/length like? Do you go via a USB hub? If so, it it powered by its own power supply?

ETA: an outdated driver usually does not create havoc in terms of intermittent issues...

Message edited by author 2009-11-24 09:12:58.
 11/24/2009 09:26:48 AM · #36
Originally posted by TrollMan:
Originally posted by Sevlow:
Having a slight problem with my 2 external usb hard drives. Sometimes they work, sometimes they dont (done all the troubleshooting stuff but they still play up). Looking at their support sites they do not have any info re Win7 64 bit support. There is a bios update due on 27th Nov for my pc, will that fix it? (Kind of think not as this appears to be driver issues)

What is your USB cable quality/length like? Do you go via a USB hub? If so, it it powered by its own power supply?

ETA: an outdated driver usually does not create havoc in terms of intermittent issues...


Both drives have their own power supply and plug straight into the pc, not via a hub. They worked fine under Vista (64bit) and they were working fine when I first installed Win7. Started playing up last week. Have had a good look at the system and cant see anything obviously wrong.


11/24/2009 09:44:10 AM · #37
Originally posted by Sevlow:
Both drives have their own power supply and plug straight into the pc, not via a hub. They worked fine under Vista (64bit) and they were working fine when I first installed Win7. Started playing up last week. Have had a good look at the system and cant see anything obviously wrong.

How big is your PC power supply? Did you do anything since last week that could require your PC to use more power? Sometimes the USB ports start acting up if you're borderline on the PS size. Windows 7 does in fact use more power than Vista and could have brought you over the edge.
 11/24/2009 09:48:01 AM · #38
Originally posted by TrollMan:

How big is your PC power supply? Did you do anything since last week that could require your PC to use more power? Sometimes the USB ports start acting up if you're borderline on the PS size. Windows 7 does in fact use more power than Vista and could have brought you over the edge.


The psu is 350w and if Win7 is a bit more power hungry that could be the problem, that did cross my mind. I will try with just one of the drives connected and see how it goes. Thanks for your help.

Mike


11/24/2009 09:51:37 AM · #39
Originally posted by Sevlow:
Having a slight problem with my 2 external usb hard drives. Sometimes they work, sometimes they dont (done all the troubleshooting stuff but they still play up). Looking at their support sites they do not have any info re Win7 64 bit support. There is a bios update due on 27th Nov for my pc, will that fix it? (Kind of think not as this appears to be driver issues)


I'm guessing that this might have to do with chipset firmware... it also *might* be a problem with use of a USB hub. If you have external USB drives connected through a hub, try connecting them directly and see if that cures the problem. If so, the hub is the issue. I've had that problem in the past.
 11/24/2009 10:02:50 AM · #40
Originally posted by Sevlow:
The psu is 350w and if Win7 is a bit more power hungry that could be the problem, that did cross my mind. I will try with just one of the drives connected and see how it goes. Thanks for your help.

In that case I bet dollars to donuts that the PSU is your problem. The ports will work fine in some cases, but as soon as you open more apps (PS being one); it uses more power and will bring your USB ports down depending on how much the PC is chewing at the moment.
 11/24/2009 10:03:53 AM · #41
Originally posted by kirbic:
Originally posted by Sevlow:
Having a slight problem with my 2 external usb hard drives. Sometimes they work, sometimes they dont (done all the troubleshooting stuff but they still play up). Looking at their support sites they do not have any info re Win7 64 bit support. There is a bios update due on 27th Nov for my pc, will that fix it? (Kind of think not as this appears to be driver issues)


I'm guessing that this might have to do with chipset firmware... it also *might* be a problem with use of a USB hub. If you have external USB drives connected through a hub, try connecting them directly and see if that cures the problem. If so, the hub is the issue. I've had that problem in the past.


Below he says direct to the PC.

I'd try one at a time, with all other USB devices removed. Then both. Then if that's ok, start adding devices again. If it works with fewer devices, then you'll probably need to add a powered hub. Or alternatively, you may have one device that's ill-behaved.

If one at a time doesn't work, you could try them on another PC to make sure they are still working as you remembered. External devices do "go bad". I've had a really bad track record with them compared to internal devices. Often, I believe it's because they don't have proper air flow compared to internal units. It could be as simple as some flakey sectors, or the whole drive could be bonkers.

11/24/2009 10:08:10 AM · #42
Originally posted by TrollMan:
Originally posted by Sevlow:
The psu is 350w and if Win7 is a bit more power hungry that could be the problem, that did cross my mind. I will try with just one of the drives connected and see how it goes. Thanks for your help.

In that case I bet dollars to donuts that the PSU is your problem. The ports will work fine in some cases, but as soon as you open more apps (PS being one); it uses more power and will bring your USB ports down depending on how much the PC is chewing at the moment.


Win7 is LESS power hungry than Vista. And that could be at the core of things...it's set to turn off devices when not in use.

In control panel, select, Power Options...then select High Performance, if it's not selected. If it is, you can try: "Change Settings for the Plan" on the left, then "Change Advanced Power Settings". There's a USB setting in the dialog.
 11/24/2009 10:19:56 AM · #43
Originally posted by nshapiro:
Win7 is LESS power hungry than Vista. And that could be at the core of things...it's set to turn off devices when not in use.

Win 7 certainly has the ability to be less power hungry. But again: Are we talking Win 7 64bit vs Vista 32 bit. In real life Windows 7 64 but use more power than Vista 32 bit OOTB but our testing is still in the early stages so I could of course be way wrong.

In either case; instead of disabling devices I would FWIW rather start troubleshooting by running fewer apps. A little less work and a good way to see if the power is the cause. If MS designed the power mgmt to power down USB devices I guess it would require special drivers to get a prompt handshake with devices when they come out of hybernation. This is not what we found but again, I could be wrong.

Message edited by author 2009-11-24 10:20:58.
 11/24/2009 10:30:40 AM · #44
Originally posted by nshapiro:
In control panel, select, Power Options...then select High Performance, if it's not selected. If it is, you can try: "Change Settings for the Plan" on the left, then "Change Advanced Power Settings". There's a USB setting in the dialog.


That's a very good thought too...

Regarding reliability of external drives, I'll second that. There are a *lot* of drive enclosures out there that were not designed to adequately cool the drive itself. I've been careful to buy drives from companies that at least *should* know how to design a reliable product, but that doesn't guarantee they actually did their homework.
11/24/2009 10:34:17 AM · #45
Thanks Guys,

I have powered up just one of the drives, tried to copy a folder from my internal drive to external. It starts off ok and copies a few photos then it just stops. Same thing happened with just the other drive connected.

I changed the power settings to High Performance but still same.

Yeh, external devices do go bad, however these two worked fine with Vista


11/24/2009 10:39:14 AM · #46
I jumped from windows to a mac at the beginning of the year and I am very happy. So I cannot comment on win7, but I did read something off the amateur photographer magazine website which I think that people who use NX2 should take not of, which is it don't work on win7 yet. I have posted the link below.

//www.amateurphotographer.co.uk/news/Nikon_photographers_wait_for_Capture_NX2_and_Microsoft_Windows_7_fix_news_291586.html
 11/24/2009 12:56:54 PM · #47
I'm sorry you're still not getting it to work. I really doubt you have problems with your 2 HD's all at once though ;)

Most of these hard drives use more power writing than reading. So...Do you have any data on your HD's? If this is the case try to copy files from the HD to the PC. If this works well try to copy files from the PC to the HD. If this fails after a couple of passes it points towards a faulty or too small PSU again.
 11/24/2009 02:45:04 PM · #48
Originally posted by Sevlow:
Yeh, external devices do go bad, however these two worked fine with Vista


Well, it seems as though power is an unlikely root cause. Do you have another system on which you can test the drives? If they work on another system, then you can discard the hypothesis that there is a physical problem with the drives.
I'll stick by my original guess that there is a problem between Win7 and the USB controller chipset.
 11/24/2009 02:48:30 PM · #49
Originally posted by SoulJance:
I jumped from windows to a mac at the beginning of the year and I am very happy. So I cannot comment on win7, but I did read something off the amateur photographer magazine website which I think that people who use NX2 should take not of, which is it don't work on win7 yet. I have posted the link below.

//www.amateurphotographer.co.uk/news/Nikon_photographers_wait_for_Capture_NX2_and_Microsoft_Windows_7_fix_news_291586.html


There's also a very good overview here of compatibility of hardware and software from the major players in imaging.
Also bear in mind that if something does not run cleanly under Win7, there are a couple alternatives:
- Run it using compatibility settings (can set which OS version to use for compatibility)
- Run it under Virtual XP. Must have a processor that supports virtualization.
 11/24/2009 03:02:33 PM · #50
Originally posted by kirbic:

Also bear in mind that if something does not run cleanly under Win7, there are a couple alternatives:
- Run it using compatibility settings (can set which OS version to use for compatibility)
- Run it under Virtual XP. Must have a processor that supports virtualization.

Yikes! I'm SO happy that I'm only using Mac at home! No worries about what's under the hood, how it works or how to get it to work. I worry too much about that at the office as head of IT :)
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