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 10/29/2009 05:43:43 AM · #1
The subject just about describes it.

No editing, other than what can be done by your camera and conversion from RAW to JPEG.

Could ask for validation for each image.
 10/29/2009 06:07:24 AM · #2
The last time we had a Minimal editing, RAW wasn't even acceptable.

Just jpeg.

Message edited by author 2009-10-29 06:07:44.
 10/29/2009 06:07:30 AM · #3
I'm in but I would ask that no Members be allowed to take part, only Registered noobs, and that we have at least 2 weeks to submit.
 10/29/2009 06:08:52 AM · #4
Originally posted by Magnum_za:
I'm in but I would ask that no Members be allowed to take part, only Registered noobs, and that we have at least 2 weeks to submit.

I don't think anyone should be allowed to enter except people who have whined about this being a PhotoShop site.......8>)
 10/29/2009 06:32:02 AM · #5
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
Originally posted by Magnum_za:
I'm in but I would ask that no Members be allowed to take part, only Registered noobs, and that we have at least 2 weeks to submit.

I don't think anyone should be allowed to enter except people who have whined about this being a PhotoShop site.......8>)


So film cameras only then, I'm in.
 10/29/2009 06:44:14 AM · #6
I might resurrect my darkroom gear too... ROFL
 10/29/2009 07:02:15 AM · #7
darkroom? cameras? screw that - let's make it a painting contest!

Special Rules: You must paint with a brush fashioned from an animal bone and mammoth hair and and you must use a cave wall as your canvas.

I'm sure people will bitch that it's not fair to the Neanderthal's and that the Cro-Magnon's have an unfair advantage, but they always bitch about stuff like that.
 10/29/2009 09:48:22 AM · #8
Art i said it b4 and I'll say it again, I have that baloney sandwich u lost at the last G2G
hehe :)
 10/29/2009 10:05:03 AM · #9
Originally posted by sonyalphausr:
The subject just about describes it.

No editing, other than what can be done by your camera and conversion from RAW to JPEG.

Could ask for validation for each image.


A lot of people do most of their adjustments in the RAW converter. There's a lot you can do there. Are you sure you want to allow RAW to jpeg conversion?

Message edited by author 2009-10-29 10:05:32.
 10/29/2009 10:24:10 AM · #10
CONVERSION TO JPEG ONLY, NO SCREWING AROUND!!!!!
 10/29/2009 10:37:40 AM · #11
Originally posted by sonyalphausr:
CONVERSION TO JPEG ONLY, NO SCREWING AROUND!!!!!


the easier thing is to require all shots be taken in jpeg, no RAW allowed (provided people would "READ" the directions/requirements...lol)...that would "clear the field" per say
 10/29/2009 10:51:06 AM · #12
I've been gone for almost a year, but don't they do minimal challenges still?
 10/29/2009 10:56:44 AM · #13
Originally posted by sonyalphausr:
CONVERSION TO JPEG ONLY, NO SCREWING AROUND!!!!!

Since we basically have the same thread repeated, I'll carry this over from the other. :-)

Originally posted by sonyalphausr:
if they would ever make the challenge i would show you all how its done, how you can take a picture that is literally straight from the camera(my camera doesn't have sat, contrast settings, it does have "brightness" but that could be avoided by posting the EV setting used(0)) ...

Bold in above quote added for emphasis.

Actually Sean, your camera CAN do many things to a photo during JPEG capture. See pages 87 & 88 (Image processing) of the Sony DSLR-A200 user manual.

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10/29/2009 11:07:20 AM · #14
This is always such a silly discussion. Of course we all know that the camera is processing the photo when it captures it in jpeg. The same as we would when we process it from RAW using a RAW converter. Adjusting color, contrast and exposurer, etc. is a normal process in all photography so it always makes me laugh when this tread makes the rounds.
 10/29/2009 11:23:10 AM · #15
Originally posted by sonyalphausr:
CONVERSION TO JPEG ONLY, NO SCREWING AROUND!!!!!


If you want totally unprocessed then everyone has to shoot RAW. Camera settings (camera's screwing around) aren't applied to RAW files.

Since when is processing a file 'screwing around'? Or is that what the photo lab does when you take your film in?

Message edited by author 2009-10-29 11:24:30.
 10/29/2009 11:24:50 AM · #16
Originally posted by jbsmithana:
This is always such a silly discussion. Of course we all know that the camera is processing the photo when it captures it in jpeg. The same as we would when we process it from RAW using a RAW converter. Adjusting color, contrast and exposurer, etc. is a normal process in all photography so it always makes me laugh when this tread makes the rounds.


I agree, as usual the discussion is fairly silly, but let's at least be fair: these straight-from-the-camera folks have a particular scenario in mind: the good old days of Kodachrome and Ektachrome, basically. And those WERE the straight-from-the-camera days, there was no room for fudging at all. What you shot is what you got, and that was an end of it. And it was EXPENSIVE, too, so you had to learn early on to minimize your mistakes.

So these people are kind of daydreaming along, saying the only "real" photographers, in this limited sense, were the National Geographic photographers and their ilk, the folks who went bravely into the world and photographed everything out there on Kodak's best and sent it home on a wing and a prayer. And in this limited sense, I completely agree: the great location photographers from the glory days of magazine journalism belong in a pantheon all their own.

This sort of stuff is what the Minimal Editing ruleset is designed to encourage, and it's a good discipline to acquire.

R.
 10/29/2009 11:40:40 AM · #17
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Originally posted by jbsmithana:
This is always such a silly discussion. Of course we all know that the camera is processing the photo when it captures it in jpeg. The same as we would when we process it from RAW using a RAW converter. Adjusting color, contrast and exposurer, etc. is a normal process in all photography so it always makes me laugh when this tread makes the rounds.


I agree, as usual the discussion is fairly silly, but let's at least be fair: these straight-from-the-camera folks have a particular scenario in mind: the good old days of Kodachrome and Ektachrome, basically. And those WERE the straight-from-the-camera days, there was no room for fudging at all. What you shot is what you got, and that was an end of it. And it was EXPENSIVE, too, so you had to learn early on to minimize your mistakes.

So these people are kind of daydreaming along, saying the only "real" photographers, in this limited sense, were the National Geographic photographers and their ilk, the folks who went bravely into the world and photographed everything out there on Kodak's best and sent it home on a wing and a prayer. And in this limited sense, I completely agree: the great location photographers from the glory days of magazine journalism belong in a pantheon all their own.

This sort of stuff is what the Minimal Editing ruleset is designed to encourage, and it's a good discipline to acquire.

R.


Except for the "no cropping" part. Even the National Geographic editors cropped their images for the magazine. We could go with a "Slide Show" challenge. Then I get the no cropping rule.
 10/29/2009 12:19:26 PM · #18
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Originally posted by jbsmithana:
This is always such a silly discussion. Of course we all know that the camera is processing the photo when it captures it in jpeg. The same as we would when we process it from RAW using a RAW converter. Adjusting color, contrast and exposurer, etc. is a normal process in all photography so it always makes me laugh when this tread makes the rounds.


I agree, as usual the discussion is fairly silly, but let's at least be fair: these straight-from-the-camera folks have a particular scenario in mind: the good old days of Kodachrome and Ektachrome, basically. And those WERE the straight-from-the-camera days, there was no room for fudging at all. What you shot is what you got, and that was an end of it. And it was EXPENSIVE, too, so you had to learn early on to minimize your mistakes.

So these people are kind of daydreaming along, saying the only "real" photographers, in this limited sense, were the National Geographic photographers and their ilk, the folks who went bravely into the world and photographed everything out there on Kodak's best and sent it home on a wing and a prayer. And in this limited sense, I completely agree: the great location photographers from the glory days of magazine journalism belong in a pantheon all their own.

This sort of stuff is what the Minimal Editing ruleset is designed to encourage, and it's a good discipline to acquire.

R.


Yup. I get it and it is not that I'm not interested. My second highest scoring shot ever was in a Minimal challenge, not that it is close to one of my favorites. It is just the attitude that if you process your photos in any way you should be considered something less than, what, some fantasy of what the past was like? Very few photographers met that challenge in the past and it took enormous amounts of time, energy and money. Not something the average DPC̢۪er has just to compete in a virtual ribbon challenge.

But I do get it.
10/29/2009 12:29:13 PM · #19
This recurrent thread usually seems to be the cry of anguish from people who for some reason or other resist the whole premise of this site in the first place.

It's dpchallenge-a digital photography contest

Look on the upper left of every page.

Nobody is saying that you have to use any editing at all, or any in-camera enhancements.

Go for it.
 10/30/2009 11:25:36 PM · #20
yeah jeb but that's the thing, if you don't edit the hell out of your picture, then it gets looked over because it doesn't "pop" like the pictures that are edited so much that they look cool

i just really think that those who use photoshop as a crutch for their shortcomings as a photographer are scared to agree to this because they are afraid to see someone else on the front page, not that that would happen anyway cause all the members vote for each other anyway no matter if the picture meets the challenge or if the picture is even good
 10/30/2009 11:49:39 PM · #21
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