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Nikon AF-S Nikkor 70-200mm f/2.8G ED VR II

08/22/2009 09:59:15 PM · #26

Originally posted by MattO:

Originally posted by Ja-9:

Originally posted by MattO:

Originally posted by Ja-9:
just looked up Nik Define 2.0 it appears at a glance that it is for the CS people...I have Photoshop Elements 7 any noise reduction programs for that

You can get this(I think free as a stand alone program) Neat IMage

Matt

Matt tried to download it...I am an idiot..can't seem to get it to download...guess I will try again later...

I bought it several years ago, used it for a while until I found Noise Ninja, now I don't think on my last install of CS3 I even installed Neat Image. It works very well, but I prefer the look of Noise Ninja over it. So things may have changed, but they used to let you use it free as a stand alone program.

Matt

Download page try to download the Demo addition which is still free.

I tried it but the zip file didn't open and I only know enough on the computers to be "dangerous" I got to that page (download)....did the download (or at least I thought I did...it is in my download file) tried to open/zip it...no go...

MattO

Nikon D4

08/22/2009 10:00:44 PM · #27

OK let me get done with some files for the editor I shot tonight, and I'll download it and see if I can help you get it opened.

Matt

08/22/2009 10:02:45 PM · #28

Originally posted by MattO:

OK let me get done with some files for the editor I shot tonight, and I'll download it and see if I can help you get it opened.

Matt

thank you...

08/22/2009 10:10:04 PM · #29

I did it somehow...your page was different from my download page...but it is now in my PSE7!!! yea...thanks for giving me the different link Matt...

Now let's see what I can do with...here I go bumping around...

Message edited by author 2009-08-22 22:10:28.

Nikon AF-S Nikkor 70-200mm f/2.8G ED VR II

08/22/2009 10:23:44 PM · #30

I take it that in the "demo" I will not be able to apply this to my "large" files...I will have to wait to apply just before I save for web?

MattO

Nikon D4

08/22/2009 10:45:22 PM · #31

Originally posted by Ja-9:

I take it that in the "demo" I will not be able to apply this to my "large" files...I will have to wait to apply just before I save for web?

I think in the Demo mode you can use it as a stand alone for free. As the plug in I think it only does smaller images? Like I said its been a few years since I used it. Did it give you the option to install it as a stand alone too?

Matt

Nikon AF-S Nikkor 70-200mm f/2.8G ED VR II

08/22/2009 10:53:00 PM · #32

Originally posted by MattO:

Originally posted by Ja-9:
I take it that in the "demo" I will not be able to apply this to my "large" files...I will have to wait to apply just before I save for web?

I think in the Demo mode you can use it as a stand alone for free. As the plug in I think it only does smaller images? Like I said its been a few years since I used it. Did it give you the option to install it as a stand alone too?

Matt

I don't think so (option for stand alone..) but it will not let me do it as a plug in with large files...wow but is this amazing...what a difference...what are the limits to this...(I am sure there are some...has to be)

MattO

Nikon D4

08/22/2009 10:59:33 PM · #33

Originally posted by Ja-9:

Originally posted by MattO:

Originally posted by Ja-9:
I take it that in the "demo" I will not be able to apply this to my "large" files...I will have to wait to apply just before I save for web?

I think in the Demo mode you can use it as a stand alone for free. As the plug in I think it only does smaller images? Like I said its been a few years since I used it. Did it give you the option to install it as a stand alone too?

Matt

I don't think so (option for stand alone..) but it will not let me do it as a plug in with large files...wow but is this amazing...what a difference...what are the limits to this...(I am sure there are some...has to be)

I do remember that being a limitation to the plug in part(that is the main reason I went ahead and bought it) but I thought(maybe a fuzzy memory or maybe they changed things) you could as a stand alone program but I thought you could do larger ones. Neat image is worth the $$$ even as a stand alone if you can afford it. My personal preference is Noise ninja, simpley because of some of the other things it can do to my files.

Matt

Message edited by author 2009-08-22 23:00:12.

Nikon AF-S DX Zoom-Nikkor 12-24mm f/4.0G IF-ED

08/22/2009 11:07:45 PM · #34

Originally posted by MattO:

Originally posted by Ja-9:

Originally posted by MattO:

Originally posted by Ja-9:
I take it that in the "demo" I will not be able to apply this to my "large" files...I will have to wait to apply just before I save for web?

I think in the Demo mode you can use it as a stand alone for free. As the plug in I think it only does smaller images? Like I said its been a few years since I used it. Did it give you the option to install it as a stand alone too?

Matt

I don't think so (option for stand alone..) but it will not let me do it as a plug in with large files...wow but is this amazing...what a difference...what are the limits to this...(I am sure there are some...has to be)

I do remember that being a limitation to the plug in part(that is the main reason I went ahead and bought it) but I thought(maybe a fuzzy memory or maybe they changed things) you could as a stand alone program but I thought you could do larger ones. Neat image is worth the $$$ even as a stand alone if you can afford it. My personal preference is Noise ninja, simpley because of some of the other things it can do to my files.

Matt

I tried to use the Nik Define 2 but it appears that it is only for PS CS/? not Elements...but this is amazing what I have done so far...wow...

jbsmithana

Nikon D300

08/23/2009 12:40:54 AM · #35

Originally posted by Ja-9:

just looked up Nik Define 2.0 it appears at a glance that it is for the CS people...I have Photoshop Elements 7 any noise reduction programs for that

I'm using the complete Nik package, including Define 2.0, with both Lightroom and Photoshop Elements 7.0. So yes, it does work in Elements.

08/23/2009 12:49:20 AM · #36

Originally posted by jbsmithana:

Originally posted by Ja-9:
just looked up Nik Define 2.0 it appears at a glance that it is for the CS people...I have Photoshop Elements 7 any noise reduction programs for that

I'm using the complete Nik package, including Define 2.0, with both Lightroom and Photoshop Elements 7.0. So yes, it does work in Elements.

I will look again...thanks JB

08/23/2009 09:34:29 AM · #37

Alright...another question about the Neat Image/Reduce Noise...since this has just recently been added to the rules for basic are there limits as to what you can do with Neat Image. In other words is there a way that I "could" get DQ'd for using it? and if so could you show me some examples of "over the top" editing with it...thanks

08/23/2009 09:43:10 AM · #38

Originally posted by Ja-9:

Noise Removal software has always been allowed in basic editing, so that has not changed. What *has* changed is that the wording now says no tool can be used to "create an effect". And the new rules haven't been in place long enough for us to have a "library" of examples re: what's too much. The previous basic rules were "tool based", meaning if the tool was allowed you could do anything you wanted with it, basically, so there will be no earlier examples to browse through.

This image was validated, so we can obviously go a fair distance with effects before they become "an effect":

That was more likely Topaz or Lucis Arts than it was noise removal, but there's a similar degree of hyper-smooth that can be gotten with Neat Image and Topaz DeNoise...

R.

Message edited by author 2009-08-23 09:44:25.

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Canon PowerShot S95

08/23/2009 09:46:17 AM · #39

As long as your noise reduction is applied universality you should be ok, no selections, and or erasing the effect in some areas.

08/23/2009 09:54:24 AM · #40

Originally posted by Bear_Music:

Originally posted by Ja-9:
Alright...another question about the Neat Image/Reduce Noise...since this has just recently been added to the rules for basic are there limits as to what you can do with Neat Image. In other words is there a way that I "could" get DQ'd for using it? and if so could you show me some examples of "over the top" editing with it...thanks

Noise Removal software has always been allowed in basic editing, so that has not changed. What *has* changed is that the wording now says no tool can be used to "create an effect". And the new rules haven't been in place long enough for us to have a "library" of examples re: what's too much. The previous basic rules were "tool based", meaning if the tool was allowed you could do anything you wanted with it, basically, so there will be no earlier examples to browse through.

This image was validated, so we can obviously go a fair distance with effects before they become "an effect":

That was more likely Topaz or Lucis Arts than it was noise removal, but there's a similar degree of hyper-smooth that can be gotten with Neat Image and Topaz DeNoise...

R.

Thank you Robert...that is a better explanation of the changes...having not been around all that long..

08/23/2009 09:58:29 AM · #41

Originally posted by alans_world:

As long as your noise reduction is applied universality you should be ok, no selections, and or erasing the effect in some areas.

This is not true. Consider the following:

original

heavily denoised

I'd be astonished if the second example passed muster under the new rules, yet the only change between the two has been the application of extreme noise removal via Topaz DeNoise, and a similar result could have been obtained with Neat Image.

Under the old basic ruleset this would have been legal, because the tool is legal; but I'd consider this to be an example of using a tool to "create an effect" that was not present in the original, and thus DQable now.

The question is, where do you draw the line? Based on the dog photo example I showed earlier, I'd say there's a fair amount of slack, but I'm not SC.

R.

08/23/2009 10:01:19 AM · #42

Originally posted by Bear_Music:

Originally posted by alans_world:
As long as your noise reduction is applied universality you should be ok, no selections, and or erasing the effect in some areas.

This is not true. Consider the following:

original

heavily denoised

I'd be astonished if the second example passed muster under the new rules, yet the only change between the two has been the application of extreme noise removal via Topaz DeNoise, and a similar result could have been obtained with Neat Image.

Under the old basic ruleset this would have been legal, because the tool is legal; but I'd consider this to be an example of using a tool to "create an effect" that was not present in the original, and thus DQable now.

The question is, where do you draw the line? Based on the dog photo example I showed earlier, I'd say there's a fair amount of slack, but I'm not SC.

R.

where is SC when you want them...maybe we can summon someone up on this...

08/23/2009 10:04:33 AM · #43

Originally posted by Ja-9:

where is SC when you want them...maybe we can summon someone up on this...

Your best bet is to submit a ticket through "contact us" with the specific image you are working on, for review. They can't give us a hard-and-fast line on such a subjective rule, so it has to be handled on a case-by-case basis.

R.

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Canon PowerShot S95

08/23/2009 10:05:10 AM · #44

Originally posted by Bear_Music:

I was kinda referring to reasonable noise removal, LOL. But in your example I can see how it could be a problem..

Message edited by author 2009-08-23 10:05:28.