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08/25/2009 08:48:05 AM · #51 |
My point was that we are as phony as any other nation and sell out our values rather quickly if money or energy are in the mix or at stake. Our sticky fingers are in so much bad shit it's unbelievable. Ask Bandar Bush about oil price rigging and all that good stuff. A lot of things will come out slowly but surely.
Why do we piss on Cuba when we embrace Saudi Arabia where 15 of the 19 attackers responsible for 9/11 were from. Saudi Arabia is on a number of Human Rights watch lists for violations (Amnesty Int'l, Human Rights Watch, The UN) and basically embody everything single thing we claim to stand against...
Go figure.
As for Scotland's actions, all we can do is pout a little and that's about it.
Message edited by author 2009-08-25 08:52:36. |
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08/25/2009 10:05:25 AM · #52 |
Originally posted by photodude:
Originally posted by ambaker:
For our (USA) part, we cannot claim a whole lot better.
Remember Mai Lai? Lt. Calley? Between 347 & 504 people were killed (depending on whom your believe). Some mutillated, some sexually abused. 4 1/2 months in jail for the whole deal.
Finally apologized for it last week. No cancer, just connections. The witnesses who turned him in, received death threats, the condemnation of congress, and only after 30 years were they recognized for their efforts to save lives that day.
Before we throw rocks at Scotland, perhaps we should apologize to the families of those who were killed in Mai Lai. Maybe Viet Nam screwed up and should have tried Calley themselves. |
The Mai Lai circumstances were very different.
The following are facts:
We were at war there.
Villages and Villagers often harbored or were the Viet Cong fighters, who killed US Soldiers.
The act was not planned in advance - by all accounts it was spontaneous.
Clearly Mai Lai was not our finest moment, but there arent many parallels with Lockerbie. |
Yes they wre different...
It was not one simple bomb that took those lives. It was shot, after shot. Shooting the wounded woment and children it ditches. It took time for that killing orgy. Had not a helicopter crew stood up to them, and protected some of the women, children and wounded, it would have continued.
Those who told the truth recieved deat threats, and condemnation from congessmen. Yes we were at war. Yes, some villages did harbor combatants. (I was there.) What they did violated all rules of combat, violated the articles of war, and I do not believe for a moment that it was spontaneous. Medina admitte later to supressing evidence, and lying. I believe the action was orderd, and Calley was as low on the rung as they could go, and make it look like they were not using the enlisted guys as scape goats.
As mentioned above, my point was not that they were the same, but that intervention was made when it became convenient for those in power. |
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08/25/2009 01:06:56 PM · #53 |
Originally posted by photodude:
The Mai Lai circumstances were very different.
The following are facts:
We were at war there. |
Congress never declared war. No one from Viet Nam ever attacked the US (remember, the "Gulf of Tonkin incident" was a lie). So, what "justification" would you offer for My Lai, or dropping napalm all over the place, and defoliating the much of the countryside with Agent Orange, etc.? The US has no "moral high ground" whatever in that conflict as far as I'm concerned.
For right makes right, and 'til they've seen the light
They've got to be protected, all their rights respected
'Til somebody we like can be elected
-- Tom Lehrer, "Send The Marines"
Message edited by author 2009-08-25 13:07:10. |
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