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08/19/2009 12:03:42 PM · #1 |
I agree totally with the basis behind effort....trying to stop violent behavior that is being done solely for the recording efforts or as entertainment.
But does anyone else fear the effect of this towards photographers.
Lets say I happen to record (video or still) a violent act...this law could make it a class E Felony if I posted it anywhere..
note: this is not to say I would...and I of course would offer any such recording to the investigation...but to make it against the law??? Isn't the gang member that is recording this already a guilty party?
Senator Griffo & Mayor Roefaro: Utica Incident Shows Need for Video Violence Crackdown
(Utica) - Senator Joseph A. Griffo (R,I,C-Rome) today called for adoption of legislation he has introduced to crack down on the alarming trend of recording criminal acts of violence with the intent of distributing them on the Internet for entertainment purposes.
Utica Mayor David R. Roefaro joined the Senator in support of the measure.
âThe recent case of a Utica video that was put on line makes it clear that some people view violence as entertainment,âGriffo said. âI recognize that in this age of technology, recordings can be a powerful police tool to help investigations. However, when video equipment is misused to transform street violence or staged violence into entertainment, that is crossing the line sand should be stopped.
The legislation, first proposed by Griffo in 2008, comes in response to an increasing number of violent attacks orchestrated and recorded by individuals who want to post the videos on internet sharing sites, such as YouTube.com and MySpace.com.
This bill creates the new crime of unlawful violent recording when a person commits an assault while knowingly capturing the crime with a recording device. In addition, a person who persuades others to commit crimes against each other for the purpose of recording, viewing, or broadcasting the crime would be guilty of conspiracy in the fourth degree, a class E felony. Both crimes would allow additional penalties of one and a half to four years in prison.
Utica Mayor David Roefaro said, âThis proposed law would send a clear message to individuals who believe fame is derived through videotaping violence- If itâs Hollywood youâre looking for, you may have to write there from jail. I fully support this legislation, and believe it could provide a necessary consequence.â
Utica Police Chief Daniel LaBella said, âThis proposed legislation would give us the ability to prosecute people who think theyâre free to capitalize on criminal acts. To glorify street violence through video is like taking part in it. A video of a violent incident belongs in the hands of investigators, not up on the internet as a form of entertainment.â
"It's disturbing to see folks trying to achieve fame, attention and celebrity through criminal violent acts," said Griffo. "Especially those that involve children. As technology evolves to improve people's lives or entertain them, we still need to pay attention to lawful behavior. If criminality is caught on a recorded media, then we need to use it as a tool to pursue and prosecute these offenders."
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08/19/2009 12:19:13 PM · #2 |
| How can you really know if someone instigated a crime in order to tape it? |
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08/19/2009 12:21:38 PM · #3 |
| thats what I think...so anything you record and post, could be a class E felony... |
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08/19/2009 12:52:21 PM · #4 |
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08/19/2009 12:54:13 PM · #5 |
Originally posted by dassilem:
I agree totally with the basis behind effort....trying to stop violent behavior that is being done solely for the recording efforts or as entertainment.
But does anyone else fear the effect of this towards photographers.
Lets say I happen to record (video or still) a violent act...this law could make it a class E Felony if I posted it anywhere..
note: this is not to say I would...and I of course would offer any such recording to the investigation...but to make it against the law??? Isn't the gang member that is recording this already a guilty party?
Senator Griffo & Mayor Roefaro: Utica Incident Shows Need for Video Violence Crackdown
(Utica) - Senator Joseph A. Griffo (R,I,C-Rome) today called for adoption of legislation he has introduced to crack down on the alarming trend of recording criminal acts of violence with the intent of distributing them on the Internet for entertainment purposes.
Utica Mayor David R. Roefaro joined the Senator in support of the measure.
âThe recent case of a Utica video that was put on line makes it clear that some people view violence as entertainment,âGriffo said. âI recognize that in this age of technology, recordings can be a powerful police tool to help investigations. However, when video equipment is misused to transform street violence or staged violence into entertainment, that is crossing the line sand should be stopped.
The legislation, first proposed by Griffo in 2008, comes in response to an increasing number of violent attacks orchestrated and recorded by individuals who want to post the videos on internet sharing sites, such as YouTube.com and MySpace.com. This bill creates the new crime of unlawful violent recording when a person commits an assault while knowingly capturing the crime with a recording device. In addition, a person who persuades others to commit crimes against each other for the purpose of recording, viewing, or broadcasting the crime would be guilty of conspiracy in the fourth degree, a class E felony. Both crimes would allow additional penalties of one and a half to four years in prison.
Utica Mayor David Roefaro said, âThis proposed law would send a clear message to individuals who believe fame is derived through videotaping violence- If itâs Hollywood youâre looking for, you may have to write there from jail. I fully support this legislation, and believe it could provide a necessary consequence.â
Utica Police Chief Daniel LaBella said, âThis proposed legislation would give us the ability to prosecute people who think theyâre free to capitalize on criminal acts. To glorify street violence through video is like taking part in it. A video of a violent incident belongs in the hands of investigators, not up on the internet as a form of entertainment.â
"It's disturbing to see folks trying to achieve fame, attention and celebrity through criminal violent acts," said Griffo. "Especially those that involve children. As technology evolves to improve people's lives or entertain them, we still need to pay attention to lawful behavior. If criminality is caught on a recorded media, then we need to use it as a tool to pursue and prosecute these offenders." |
You might want to focus on the bold portions of the text. You as an casual observer would not be the target of such a law.
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08/19/2009 01:00:27 PM · #6 |
| What if you captured the police committing an act of violence? With that law, if you video taped a Rodney King type incident, and posted it on the internet, could/would you be prosecuted? Seems like a slippery slope to me. |
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08/19/2009 01:03:05 PM · #7 |
Originally posted by twmax:
What if you captured the police committing an act of violence? With that law, if you video taped a Rodney King type incident, and posted it on the internet, could/would you be prosecuted? Seems like a slippery slope to me. |
Again, I would point to this segment of the initial proposal:
" The legislation, first proposed by Griffo in 2008, comes in response to an increasing number of violent attacks orchestrated and recorded by individuals who want to post the videos on internet sharing sites, such as YouTube.com and MySpace.com. "
Surely you don't think that the police would incite violent acts for the sole purpose of recording such activities and posting them on the internet.
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08/19/2009 01:27:21 PM · #8 |
Originally posted by RayEthier:
Originally posted by twmax:
What if you captured the police committing an act of violence? With that law, if you video taped a Rodney King type incident, and posted it on the internet, could/would you be prosecuted? Seems like a slippery slope to me. |
Again, I would point to this segment of the initial proposal:
" The legislation, first proposed by Griffo in 2008, comes in response to an increasing number of violent attacks orchestrated and recorded by individuals who want to post the videos on internet sharing sites, such as YouTube.com and MySpace.com. "
Surely you don't think that the police would incite violent acts for the sole purpose of recording such activities and posting them on the internet.
Ray |
No, certainly I don't. I just think that there are lots of laws out there that have been twisted to fit a situation. I understand what the intent of the law is, but would worry a little bit about its application. |
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08/19/2009 01:32:17 PM · #9 |
If people are prosecuted because they put the recording on the internet, then I have no problem with this.
The problem that I have with it, is that it states: " The legislation, first proposed by Griffo in 2008, comes in response to an increasing number of violent attacks orchestrated and recorded by individuals who want to post the videos on internet sharing sites, such as YouTube.com and MySpace.com. "
How can they prove intent? if it stated "individuals who then posted the videos" (or something like that) then I'd feel much better about it. |
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08/19/2009 02:17:52 PM · #10 |
Originally posted by vawendy:
If people are prosecuted because they put the recording on the internet, then I have no problem with this.
The problem that I have with it, is that it states: " The legislation, first proposed by Griffo in 2008, comes in response to an increasing number of violent attacks orchestrated and recorded by individuals who want to post the videos on internet sharing sites, such as YouTube.com and MySpace.com. "
How can they prove intent? if it stated "individuals who then posted the videos" (or something like that) then I'd feel much better about it. |
But you see they don't need to prove intent. The posting would be an "actus reus" which would deal with that issue before the courts.
Ray |
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