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09/10/2009 09:24:27 AM · #876 |
Originally posted by SDW:
One solution to the problem would be to have in place a regulation or law such as Medicare has. Medicare by Law can not go up no more that the cost of living raise one receives with social security.
A lot has been said about the rising rates of health coverage and how it is out pacing the cost of living. It they would put in place a law like Medicare has then the insurance companies could not raise their rates above cost of living. ... |
That would put some interesting back pressure on the prescription drug companies, wouldn't it? Or, would the government absorb any increased cost of medicines (which in turn would have to be paid by something else - another program or raised taxes)?
That's one of the reasons (excuses?) that premiums seem to go up on nearly every yearly renewal on my employer based plan. |
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09/10/2009 09:32:55 AM · #877 |
Originally posted by ericwoo:
Our country as a whole is far from a healthy lifestyle. What percentage of out population is overweight/obese right now? |
66% We are the fattest nation in the world. |
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09/10/2009 09:38:15 AM · #878 |
To everyone in this thread:
YOU LIE!
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09/10/2009 09:39:01 AM · #879 |
Originally posted by ericwoo:
Our country as a whole is far from a healthy lifestyle. What percentage of out population is overweight/obese right now? |
Originally posted by LoudDog:
66% We are the fattest nation in the world. |
What's frightening to me is not onlyu some of the statistics I've seen, but being out and about, some of the children that I've seen that are obviously not being cared for properly, and are patently obese.
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09/10/2009 09:39:28 AM · #880 |
Originally posted by ajdelaware:
To everyone in this thread:
YOU LIE! |
So do you!
NYAAH!!!
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09/10/2009 09:43:43 AM · #881 |
Originally posted by SDW:
One solution to the problem would be to have in place a regulation or law such as Medicare has. Medicare by Law can not go up no more that the cost of living raise one receives with social security.
A lot has been said about the rising rates of health coverage and how it is out pacing the cost of living. It they would put in place a law like Medicare has then the insurance companies could not raise their rates above cost of living. ... |
Originally posted by glad2badad:
That would put some interesting back pressure on the prescription drug companies, wouldn't it? Or, would the government absorb any increased cost of medicines (which in turn would have to be paid by something else - another program or raised taxes)?
That's one of the reasons (excuses?) that premiums seem to go up on nearly every yearly renewal on my employer based plan. |
Well, I'd actually like to see accountability across the board......like if everyone's going to get coverage, then everyone needs to have proper analyses to ascertain that they are doing their part to take care of themselves.
I will grant you that I'm more sensitive to that since I've had to change my lifestyle, or DIE, but the upside is that when you take better care of yourself by eating right and exercising, you *are* less of a health risk.....and you feel better!
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09/10/2009 09:53:26 AM · #882 |
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
Originally posted by ericwoo:
Our country as a whole is far from a healthy lifestyle. What percentage of out population is overweight/obese right now? |
Originally posted by LoudDog:
66% We are the fattest nation in the world. |
What's frightening to me is not onlyu some of the statistics I've seen, but being out and about, some of the children that I've seen that are obviously not being cared for properly, and are patently obese. |
Agreed. When I was a kid the one fat kid was made fun of all the time. In high school there were a few more and they were made fun of too. There was a great reason to not be fat! Today it seems it's almost the norm to be a fat kid? Kids don't ride bikes or play sports, they play x-box and text. We'd go to McDonalds once every couple weeks as a special treat, today they go to McDonalds daily because making a healthy meal is too tough.
There are so many problems with health / healthcare in general that it's stupid to jump into an expensive overhaul. There is so much low hanging fruit to knock off... Some simple reforms and I bet we can easily knock premiums down 30-50% without having to raise anyone's taxes. |
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09/10/2009 09:58:52 AM · #883 |
What was kind of disgusting to me watching that speech last night was the demeanor of the entire room. There is no way in hell anything will get done with that crowd, and its mind blowing to me that anything has ever gotten done.
What would be interesting to see is the amount of money donated, to each person against healthcare reform, by the health insurance companies and lobbying groups. |
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09/10/2009 10:19:18 AM · #884 |
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Originally posted by SDW:
One solution to the problem would be to have in place a regulation or law such as Medicare has. Medicare by Law can not go up no more that the cost of living raise one receives with social security.
A lot has been said about the rising rates of health coverage and how it is out pacing the cost of living. It they would put in place a law like Medicare has then the insurance companies could not raise their rates above cost of living. ... |
That would put some interesting back pressure on the prescription drug companies, wouldn't it? Or, would the government absorb any increased cost of medicines (which in turn would have to be paid by something else - another program or raised taxes)?
That's one of the reasons (excuses?) that premiums seem to go up on nearly every yearly renewal on my employer based plan. |
My initial point may have gotten buried in the presentation...
How can cost be regulated to a certain cap when there are other forces that continue to drive up the cost of health insurance? For example, the cost of prescription drugs seems to go up continuosly...who absorbs that cost if there is a cap? Or will a cap force the drug makers to hold down cost? At what expense...R&D? Perhaps curtailing mega-bonuses?
I'm just thinking that if there was a cap in place on a government sponsored plan, the cap wouldn't slow down the cost increases that much to the government and somewhere those escalating costs would need to be recovered (from other programs or increased taxes). |
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09/10/2009 10:43:46 AM · #885 |
I like that this is a thread of people for the most part don't have to deal with the lack of health care insurance (or rather the lack of the ability to afford it), as we for the most part, all have enough extra income at least to spend on luxuries like digital cameras, website memberships so we can win digital ribbons that mean nothing. But from our ivory towers, we pretend to have a birds eye view of the problem.
Nothing having health insurance is pretty frightening. I was only without it for like 6 months, and god damn was that scary. During that time there were a few situations where I probably should have gone to the doctor, but knew I couldn't afford it. The one time I did go, I had to pay out of pocket for everything. Do you know how much 1 week of antibiotics cost? $90. For like 28 pills. And that was the generic. I can't even imagine what it would have been like if I had something major go wrong.
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09/10/2009 11:00:46 AM · #886 |
For a while I did not have health coverage. The reason behind that was I could not afford it. During that time I was so broke that my entire diet was based on Ramen noodles. Free was almost too expensive for me. I was on the verge of being homeless. So I chose to not have healthcare and if I got sick I would go to the free clinic. So if everybody is forced to have healthcare, what will happen to the people like I was then. I guess they will be homeless with health insurrance.
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09/10/2009 11:02:28 AM · #887 |
Originally posted by ajdelaware:
What was kind of disgusting to me watching that speech last night was the demeanor of the entire room. There is no way in hell anything will get done with that crowd, and its mind blowing to me that anything has ever gotten done.
What would be interesting to see is the amount of money donated, to each person against healthcare reform, by the health insurance companies and lobbying groups. |
Exactly! Congress should be like NASCAR, they should wear patches showing all their sponsors. |
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09/10/2009 11:27:10 AM · #888 |
Originally posted by cowboy221977:
For a while I did not have health coverage. The reason behind that was I could not afford it. During that time I was so broke that my entire diet was based on Ramen noodles. Free was almost too expensive for me. I was on the verge of being homeless. So I chose to not have healthcare and if I got sick I would go to the free clinic. So if everybody is forced to have healthcare, what will happen to the people like I was then. I guess they will be homeless with health insurrance. |
Whos forcing anyone to have it?
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09/10/2009 11:45:42 AM · #889 |
Originally posted by LoudDog:
Originally posted by ajdelaware:
What was kind of disgusting to me watching that speech last night was the demeanor of the entire room. There is no way in hell anything will get done with that crowd, and its mind blowing to me that anything has ever gotten done.
What would be interesting to see is the amount of money donated, to each person against healthcare reform, by the health insurance companies and lobbying groups. |
Exactly! Congress should be like NASCAR, they should wear patches showing all their sponsors. |
If you can read in french, here's a nice column in Montreal's newspaper. It talks about the fact that we can never know if a politician is caring most for the people or for himself.
There is a lot of people that are against Obama's plan for good reasons, but those who go out and claim lies (like the death lists, etc) are hurting the democracy needed to have a real debate. If some are out there spoutinmg lies and unthruths, how can you believe anyone on their side?
When I discover that someone created a false argument to promote an idea, I'm telling myself "they have no real arguments, so they're inventing some"
Message edited by author 2009-09-10 11:46:09. |
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09/10/2009 12:07:49 PM · #890 |
Originally posted by ajdelaware:
Whos forcing anyone to have it? |
The govmt will if this passes...It's either get insurance or pay a fine...What happens if you can't afford either
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09/10/2009 12:34:22 PM · #891 |
Originally posted by cowboy221977:
Originally posted by ajdelaware:
Whos forcing anyone to have it? |
The govmt will if this passes...It's either get insurance or pay a fine...What happens if you can't afford either |
Where do you see that? |
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09/10/2009 01:12:37 PM · #892 |
Originally posted by ajdelaware:
Originally posted by cowboy221977:
Originally posted by ajdelaware:
Whos forcing anyone to have it? |
The govmt will if this passes...It's either get insurance or pay a fine...What happens if you can't afford either |
Where do you see that? |
Have you been under a rock? Read Obama's speach last night, he says it there.
To be fair, you can apply for a waiver if you can't afford insurance. |
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09/10/2009 01:13:47 PM · #893 |
Originally posted by ajdelaware:
Originally posted by cowboy221977:
Originally posted by ajdelaware:
Whos forcing anyone to have it? |
The govmt will if this passes...It's either get insurance or pay a fine...What happens if you can't afford either |
Where do you see that? |
It's one of the options on the table right now and from my understanding there would be a system set up that would give subsidies to those who cannot afford the insurance or fall in a certain low income bracket. |
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09/10/2009 01:47:53 PM · #894 |
Originally posted by trevytrev:
Originally posted by ajdelaware:
Originally posted by cowboy221977:
Originally posted by ajdelaware:
Whos forcing anyone to have it? |
The govmt will if this passes...It's either get insurance or pay a fine...What happens if you can't afford either |
Where do you see that? |
It's one of the options on the table right now and from my understanding there would be a system set up that would give subsidies to those who cannot afford the insurance or fall in a certain low income bracket. |
He also said that yhis healthcare reform would not cost tax payers anything....so....where does the money for the subsidies come from...I guess it will grow on trees.
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09/10/2009 01:48:36 PM · #895 |
Originally posted by cowboy221977:
Originally posted by trevytrev:
Originally posted by ajdelaware:
Originally posted by cowboy221977:
Originally posted by ajdelaware:
Whos forcing anyone to have it? |
The govmt will if this passes...It's either get insurance or pay a fine...What happens if you can't afford either |
Where do you see that? |
It's one of the options on the table right now and from my understanding there would be a system set up that would give subsidies to those who cannot afford the insurance or fall in a certain low income bracket. |
He also said that yhis healthcare reform would not cost tax payers anything....so....where does the money for the subsidies come from...I guess it will grow on trees. |
I believe he said that it would come from spending cuts? |
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09/10/2009 01:56:28 PM · #896 |
Guess where those spending cuts will more than likely come from....the military. He has already cut a very important program that was developing a new age jet that was to replace the aging F-16
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09/10/2009 02:02:15 PM · #897 |
Thats speculation, and a lot of speculation is the reason this thread is so damn long. Lots of people talking about things they don't know much about, spouting off rhetoric from talking heads on both sides of the aisle, and maybe 1/10th of the people against the plan have actually read any plan or version of it, myself included.
I just don't get how giving everyone access to medical treatment is a bad thing, and I guess, for as big a jerk I am, somewhere in my heart I feel for people who suffer needlessly.
Message edited by author 2009-09-10 14:03:25. |
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09/10/2009 02:13:55 PM · #898 |
| Blatant forum violations removed, and sanctions likely. Keep it civil and watch the language please. |
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09/10/2009 02:19:56 PM · #899 |
| My bad. But out of all the offenses in this thread, thats the one that needed to be edited? |
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09/10/2009 02:49:08 PM · #900 |
Originally posted by ajdelaware:
My bad. But out of all the offenses in this thread, thats the one that needed to be edited? |
I hid many. That one was fairly trivial. |
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