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09/02/2009 04:13:06 PM · #751 |
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09/02/2009 04:27:53 PM · #752 |
Originally posted by David Ey:
No, just OJ. |
Well he didn't do it: the glove didn't fit. But if he did it, here's how it happened |
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09/02/2009 05:08:48 PM · #753 |
Originally posted by merchillio:
Originally posted by ericwoo:
...and Ted Kennedy killed a girl without ant repercussions. Your point? |
Are you suggesting that we get complety rid of the justice systenm, because one [insert negative word here] got away way too easily, we can't prosecute anyone else? Ted Kenedy got away, so we have to let everybody else get away? |
Nah, just being a smartass to offset some of the finger pointing. People with money get away with shit. Period. It doesn't matter if its bilking millions, molesting children, murdering a wife, or drowning a lover in a car. Its a fact of the way things work, and I don't think that it has any bearing on the argument at hand.
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09/02/2009 05:21:51 PM · #754 |
Adam and Eric posit an interesting theory here, in part explaining their stance: if we insure everyone (or more people than are insured now) then there won't be enough care for us. That's the me, me, me, Steve was talking about. So, it is not about who's paying for it, or about socialism/communism etc. It is about fear for your own safety - if we insure all, then all those sick people will wait in lines for help, and we the lucky and privately insured ones will be left care-free/care-less :-)
Great rhetoric.
I'll just sit and wait... listening to BBC or some other news agency that is far removed from this continent. The only way to come close to objective is to remove yourself from here. It takes humongous courage to look at ourselves and criticize our behavior in a constructive and objective manner. Very few people I've ever met have been fitting the courageous profile - this continent or other.
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09/02/2009 07:27:10 PM · #755 |
Originally posted by srdanz:
Adam and Eric posit an interesting theory here, in part explaining their stance: if we insure everyone (or more people than are insured now) then there won't be enough care for us. That's the me, me, me, Steve was talking about. So, it is not about who's paying for it, or about socialism/communism etc. It is about fear for your own safety - if we insure all, then all those sick people will wait in lines for help, and we the lucky and privately insured ones will be left care-free/care-less :-)
Great rhetoric.
I'll just sit and wait... listening to BBC or some other news agency that is far removed from this continent. The only way to come close to objective is to remove yourself from here. It takes humongous courage to look at ourselves and criticize our behavior in a constructive and objective manner. Very few people I've ever met have been fitting the courageous profile - this continent or other. |
Sure, that is a small portion of it. However, its not that I just get to pay the same amount and get less. I will get added taxes because I make "too much" money, PLUS my insurance premiums are sure to increase more because the government will cap what they pay for procedures and visits, thus forcing docs to charge my insurance more. Where is the fairness in that? All so liberals can feel like they are doing humanity a justice and giving them something they have clearly not earned. |
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09/02/2009 09:34:43 PM · #756 |
Originally posted by cowboy221977:
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Dude, your like one inch away from McVeigh Land. I'm surprised they let you carry a gun. |
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09/02/2009 09:43:34 PM · #757 |
Another thing about the health care I am against. All a person would have to do is say I am a citizen. No proof is necessary. What this means to us is millions of illegal aliens will be getting free healthcare. The illegals are already able to get medicare/medicaid. That was one of the first things that Obama did in office.
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09/02/2009 09:45:30 PM · #758 |
Originally posted by pawdrix:
Originally posted by cowboy221977:
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Dude, your like one inch away from McVeigh Land. I'm surprised they let you carry a gun. |
I normally try to digest things and not get my dander up, but there are instances where that is simply just not possible, and this is one of them.
What is really scary is that there are some Americans so bereft of intellect that they earnestly believe some of there scare mongering tactics... death panels indeed... gimme a break.
It is indeed a sad comment on American society when international news agencies report the outrageous comments and viewpoints espoused by some, and proffered as fact, as it gives the impression that a good segment of society is very gullible.
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09/02/2009 09:53:29 PM · #759 |
Originally posted by cowboy221977:
Another thing about the health care I am against. All a person would have to do is say I am a citizen. No proof is necessary. What this means to us is millions of illegal aliens will be getting free healthcare. The illegals are already able to get medicare/medicaid. That was one of the first things that Obama did in office. |
Dude, there's a limit to how many times you can be wrong in a single thread. Check the TOS. |
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09/02/2009 09:54:51 PM · #760 |
Originally posted by cowboy221977:
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Originally posted by pawdrix:
Dude, your like one inch away from McVeigh Land. I'm surprised they let you carry a gun. |
Originally posted by RayEthier:
I normally try to digest things and not get my dander up, but there are instances where that is simply just not possible, and this is one of them.
What is really scary is that there are some Americans so bereft of intellect that they earnestly believe some of there scare mongering tactics... death panels indeed... gimme a break.
It is indeed a sad comment on American society when international news agencies report the outrageous comments and viewpoints espoused by some, and proffered as fact, as it gives the impression that a good segment of society is very gullible.
Ray |
And this little gem from a man who was so busy pointing out that he fights for our freedom and country.
Please don't tell me anything done from your style is on my behalf......NOT interested.
I support my President and am willing to take the chance that he may be wrong......and I hope he's right.
That kind of aberrant behavior is tasteless and doesn't accomplish a damn thing. |
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09/02/2009 09:56:39 PM · #761 |
Originally posted by cowboy221977:
Another thing about the health care I am against. All a person would have to do is say I am a citizen. No proof is necessary. What this means to us is millions of illegal aliens will be getting free healthcare. The illegals are already able to get medicare/medicaid. That was one of the first things that Obama did in office. |
Originally posted by pawdrix:
Dude, there's a limit to how many times you can be wrong in a single thread. Check the TOS. |
I'm glad I was eating pretzels and NOT sipping something!
The crumbs are SOOOOOOO much easier to clean up! LOL!!! |
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09/02/2009 10:20:37 PM · #762 |
Originally posted by cowboy221977:
Another thing about the health care I am against. All a person would have to do is say I am a citizen. No proof is necessary. What this means to us is millions of illegal aliens will be getting free healthcare. The illegals are already able to get medicare/medicaid. That was one of the first things that Obama did in office. |
This is reason 864 that you have no credibility. You took a half truth and blamed it on Obama. But guess what? That happined in 2006(it was really a loop hole they were trying to fix, they were afraid "grandma" would have a hard time proving she was a citizen). Why would you blame Obama? Where did you hear that? Where ever it was you now know they are unreliable.
By the way, I keep hearing what ObamaCare would do but there is no law proposed yet. If you want in on writing it and getting it right then tell your representatives to come to the table with there ideas. The truth is they had the last 8 years to do something and they did nothing. Now its standard lawyer tactics, delay it forever or until we can beat it.
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09/02/2009 10:31:46 PM · #763 |
Originally posted by cowboy221977:
There are approx 880,000 registered doctors in the US. This is for all fields. According to my brother (hes a doctor) he has more patient than he know what to do with right now. Add a ton more and then who is really getting hurt here. If this bill passes and goes into effect, expect extremely long line at every doctor office and hospital. Also expect hospital beds to be full. Obama has also said that part of his plan is to train / hire more doctors to fill the void. The only thing that he has not mentioned is depending on the field, medical school takes around 15 years. So what do we do between now and then...I guess we could just not get sick or injured. We will end up bleeding out on the sidewalk... |
We wouldn't need to train another several hundred thousand doctors for 15 years. In many rural areas in this country, such as where I now reside, there are small clinics staffed mainly by physicians' assistants. Only one doctor (M.D.) is required to be on-site during working hours. Using myself as an example, in my entire adult lifetime I have only needed the services of a doctor to obtain various prescription medications and have only once had an ailment more serious than a sore throat. Most of my health care needs could have been taken care of by a physician's assistant, less costly for me and the entire system. And what's true for me is probably true for most healthy adults until age 50 or 60. Unfortunately, there aren't enough physicians' assistants, all the more reason we need this health care reform to pass. |
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09/02/2009 10:36:36 PM · #764 |
Originally posted by Judith Polakoff:
... Unfortunately, there aren't enough physicians' assistants, all the more reason we need this health care reform to pass. |
???! Huh? There aren't enough doctors, and you're saying not enough physicians' assitants either - yet you say reform needs to pass, which will likely increase the existing workload? |
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09/02/2009 10:55:15 PM · #765 |
Originally posted by cowboy221977:
Let me ask you how many times have you marched with Cindy Sheehan during this war? My service and the service of my brothers and sisters is the only reason why you are not speaking German, Russian, or some other language... |
Not all wars are fought for the same reasons. I would have been proud to march with Cindy Sheehan during this war. She was protesting to save YOU and all the other American soldiers who were deployed to Iraq. Duh!! |
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09/02/2009 10:56:23 PM · #766 |
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Originally posted by Judith Polakoff:
... Unfortunately, there aren't enough physicians' assistants, all the more reason we need this health care reform to pass. |
???! Huh? There aren't enough doctors, and you're saying not enough physicians' assitants either - yet you say reform needs to pass, which will likely increase the existing workload? |
It will increase the number of doctors and PAs too, no?? |
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09/02/2009 10:56:32 PM · #767 |
Originally posted by ericwoo:
People with money get away with shit. Period. It doesn't matter if its bilking millions, molesting children, murdering a wife, or drowning a lover in a car. Its a fact of the way things work, and I don't think that it has any bearing on the argument at hand. |
People like insurance (and tobacco, and agri-business) company CEOs for instance?
Message edited by author 2009-09-02 22:57:29. |
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09/02/2009 11:02:27 PM · #768 |
| Get some of the MDs currently doing boob enhancement and tummy-tucks to actually treat some sick people and there will be plenty of doctors, though they may not make the six-figure incomes to which they've become accustomed ... |
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09/02/2009 11:08:44 PM · #769 |
Originally posted by ericwoo:
Originally posted by srdanz:
Adam and Eric posit an interesting theory here, in part explaining their stance: if we insure everyone (or more people than are insured now) then there won't be enough care for us. That's the me, me, me, Steve was talking about. So, it is not about who's paying for it, or about socialism/communism etc. It is about fear for your own safety - if we insure all, then all those sick people will wait in lines for help, and we the lucky and privately insured ones will be left care-free/care-less :-)
Great rhetoric.
I'll just sit and wait... listening to BBC or some other news agency that is far removed from this continent. The only way to come close to objective is to remove yourself from here. It takes humongous courage to look at ourselves and criticize our behavior in a constructive and objective manner. Very few people I've ever met have been fitting the courageous profile - this continent or other. |
Sure, that is a small portion of it. However, its not that I just get to pay the same amount and get less. I will get added taxes because I make "too much" money, PLUS my insurance premiums are sure to increase more because the government will cap what they pay for procedures and visits, thus forcing docs to charge my insurance more. Where is the fairness in that? All so liberals can feel like they are doing humanity a justice and giving them something they have clearly not earned. |
Well, that's just bull and you know it. We have already established that you don't earn enough ($300,000 or $350,000) to pay additional tax under the proposed legislation. And your insurance premiums are sure to increase if we do nothing. Geez... |
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09/02/2009 11:28:31 PM · #770 |
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Message edited by author 2009-09-02 23:31:40. |
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09/02/2009 11:50:35 PM · #771 |
Originally posted by Judith Polakoff:
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Originally posted by Judith Polakoff:
... Unfortunately, there aren't enough physicians' assistants, all the more reason we need this health care reform to pass. |
???! Huh? There aren't enough doctors, and you're saying not enough physicians' assitants either - yet you say reform needs to pass, which will likely increase the existing workload? |
It will increase the number of doctors and PAs too, no?? |
Sure, just like cap and trade will make the US a manufacturing super power, cash for clunkers will pay the dealers in 10 days or less and the stimulus plan will keep unemployment to 8%. |
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09/03/2009 06:26:49 AM · #772 |
Originally posted by Judith Polakoff:
Originally posted by ericwoo:
Originally posted by srdanz:
Adam and Eric posit an interesting theory here, in part explaining their stance: if we insure everyone (or more people than are insured now) then there won't be enough care for us. That's the me, me, me, Steve was talking about. So, it is not about who's paying for it, or about socialism/communism etc. It is about fear for your own safety - if we insure all, then all those sick people will wait in lines for help, and we the lucky and privately insured ones will be left care-free/care-less :-)
Great rhetoric.
I'll just sit and wait... listening to BBC or some other news agency that is far removed from this continent. The only way to come close to objective is to remove yourself from here. It takes humongous courage to look at ourselves and criticize our behavior in a constructive and objective manner. Very few people I've ever met have been fitting the courageous profile - this continent or other. |
Sure, that is a small portion of it. However, its not that I just get to pay the same amount and get less. I will get added taxes because I make "too much" money, PLUS my insurance premiums are sure to increase more because the government will cap what they pay for procedures and visits, thus forcing docs to charge my insurance more. Where is the fairness in that? All so liberals can feel like they are doing humanity a justice and giving them something they have clearly not earned. |
Well, that's just bull and you know it. We have already established that you don't earn enough ($300,000 or $350,000) to pay additional tax under the proposed legislation. And your insurance premiums are sure to increase if we do nothing. Geez... |
And you are out of your freaking mind, as usual, if you honestly believe that every single tax-paying American will not be hit with additional taxes on this nonsense of a reform bill. Have you ever taken an accounting or economics class? By your constant spew of ignorant postings, I would guess not. In your apparent all-surpassing genius, can you show me how the simple math of this bill will work without taxing all of us? And I'll take the insurance premium increases as long as I continue to have access to the same quality of care that I currently do.
I'd also like to see the magical logic behind paying physicians and PAs less AND, at the same time, convincing more of them to spend all that time in school. Wow!
Message edited by author 2009-09-03 06:27:07. |
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09/03/2009 06:34:56 AM · #773 |
This just in from a DPCer in England...
Evening Steve,
I stand corrected... more than a few of our DPC friends took the short bus to school. My lord, I had this discussion only recently on a month's trip to Germany and Austria. People would ask me, are there really people so naive as to believe that the government would euthanize a segment of their population and suggest pulling the plug on Grandma...
Seriously, the American reputation abroad is taking a real shit kicking, and well to be honest, makes the American populace look like a collective of dolts and boors.
Oh well, such is life I guess.
Anonymous
If you guys only realized how incredibly bad you sound...
This debate makes us look like complete morons abroad. Little by little our reputation and any respect we've earned from the rest of the planet is dying. I suppose the next time we need help or sympathy the rest of the world will find it very easy to tell us to screw off.
eta: Someone should explain to Dick Cheney that 9/11 was their version on an "ehanced technique". And they came to play...
Message edited by author 2009-09-03 07:10:16. |
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09/03/2009 07:07:24 AM · #774 |
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Originally posted by Judith Polakoff:
... Unfortunately, there aren't enough physicians' assistants, all the more reason we need this health care reform to pass. |
???! Huh? There aren't enough doctors, and you're saying not enough physicians' assitants either - yet you say reform needs to pass, which will likely increase the existing workload? |
Huh indeed... where did she say that there aren't enough doctors?
Hey here is a great proposal... since a very large portion of the population is getting near retirement age, why don't we simply deny these folks medical services entirely and cull them out... now that will greatly reduce demands and guys like you will have all the services you need.
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09/03/2009 07:13:45 AM · #775 |
Originally posted by pawdrix:
This just in from a DPCer in England...
Evening Steve,
I stand corrected... more than a few of our DPC friends took the short bus to school. My lord, I had this discussion only recently on a month's trip to Germany and Austria. People would ask me, are there really people so naive as to believe that the government would euthanize a segment of their population and suggest pulling the plug on Grandma...
Seriously, the American reputation abroad is taking a real shit kicking, and well to be honest, makes the American populace look like a collective of dolts and boors.
Oh well, such is life I guess.
Anonymous
If you guys only realized how incredibly bad you sound...
This debate makes us look like complete morons abroad. Little by little our reputation and any respect we've earned from the rest of the planet is dying. I suppose the next time we need help or sympathy the rest of the world will find it very easy to tell us to screw off.
eta: Someone should explain to Dick Cheney that 9/11 was their version on an "ehanced technique". And they came to play... |
Gosh.....what a delightful choice!
Either, we're mind-numbingly stupid and would actually believe such a thing, or there are people out there that are just so f*cking MEAN that they come up with this kind of trash just because they are that rotten. |
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