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08/05/2009 09:28:07 PM · #326

If you want to see what republican input looks like, you can download an excel spreadsheet here ... link to article with spreadsheet.

snippet from the article... Yet many of the GOP amendments on this incomplete list do seem pretty substantive. For example, one amendment offered by Oklahoma's Tom Coburn requires members of Congress and their staff to enroll in the government-run health insurance program.

pawdrix

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08/05/2009 09:44:07 PM · #327

Originally posted by AJHopp:

cross state lines. We have car insurance, dental insurance, and house insurance policies we can choose with varying degrees of coverage - why not health insurance? You don't get to hear Republican ideas, because 1) the media is Obama's lap dog and 2) there is no room for anything but his agenda. He said in a headline today that his health care overhaul would be passed this year, even without the support of Republicans. Health care involves everyone, not just Democrats.

I hate to be snide, but it's just like a Liberal (or whatever you term yourself) to change the subject (Iraq) and once again, not answer my questions.................................

Amy-With all due respect you need to do a little more reading and if you don't have the time, yanko posted something from factcheck that states the general nature of the Republican plan and that's to offer no plan because....well, they don't need a plan. They have all the mechanisms in place to tank the seeds of any plan that would institute change. Their work is done, why mess with perfection?

McCain offered lip service to the point...debate filler, if you know what I mean? The issue was never on the table in the previous eight years.

eta: When people mention Iraq or our two wars, lots of death, increased spending/debt, tax cuts that brought 8 years of little to no economic growth, a financial meltdown, world distain...did I leave anything out (?) that's a stinkin cigar you can and deserve to chomp on. Within eight of those years, there were 6 where the Republicans/Conservatives ("or whatever you term yourself") had full control of all the branches of government, a copious amount of time to cop some responsibility for our present state. Now, do you have an opinion on that? Your party painted itself tightly into a corner and their only way out is to make the other guy fail.

Sadly, it's working.

Message edited by author 2009-08-05 22:09:35.

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08/05/2009 09:44:18 PM · #328

Originally posted by AJHopp:

Kelli, the debate is very much about the how. Republicans and others have given input on health care, but it's Obama's way or the highway...

Originally posted by GeneralE:

And the Republican plan to cover everyone and save money would be ...

Note that the Republicans had nearly eight years of complete control of all three branches of government to address this issue -- instead they dropped a few hundred billion dollars (and a hundred thousand lives) on Iraq ...

Originally posted by AJHopp:

Well, if you paid attention during the election process (without getting sucked up in the Obama mania), you might remember John McCain's suggestion regarding different insurance choices that would extend across state lines. We have car insurance, dental insurance, and house insurance policies we can choose with varying degrees of coverage - why not health insurance? You don't get to hear Republican ideas, because 1) the media is Obama's lap dog and 2) there is no room for anything but his agenda. He said in a headline today that his health care overhaul would be passed this year, even without the support of Republicans. Health care involves everyone, not just Democrats.

I hate to be snide, but it's just like a Liberal (or whatever you term yourself) to change the subject (Iraq) and once again, not answer my questions.................................

Wait a minute! The only reason that McCain said anything at all about was in response to Obama's pledge to try to do something about it.

And how is pointing out that the Republicans chose to spend a bazillion dollars in Iraq instead of overhauling the health care system changing the subject?

You remember Hillary wanted to do something about it, brought the situation to national headlines, and as soon as the Republicans went into office, NOTHING more was done.
And where did you get the idea that you can't get various levels of health care?

I could have gotten a variety of levels and options when I was paying for my family as a small business owner......but I was paying roughly $850 a month for basic major medical.......you wanna do the math for the differential once the first $2500 before the major medical kicked in, or add the dental, optical, and presription drug plans?

I really don't think you have a clue as to what a burden it is to self-insure.

Judith Polakoff

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08/05/2009 09:54:12 PM · #329

Originally posted by AJHopp:

Originally posted by GeneralE:

Originally posted by AJHopp:
Kelli, the debate is very much about the how. Republicans and others have given input on health care, but it's Obama's way or the highway...

And the Republican plan to cover everyone and save money would be ...

Note that the Republicans had nearly eight years of complete control of all three branches of government to address this issue -- instead they dropped a few hundred billion dollars (and a hundred thousand lives) on Iraq ...

Well, if you paid attention during the election process (without getting sucked up in the Obama mania), you might remember John McCain's suggestion regarding different insurance choices that would extend across state lines. We have car insurance, dental insurance, and house insurance policies we can choose with varying degrees of coverage - why not health insurance? You don't get to hear Republican ideas, because 1) the media is Obama's lap dog and 2) there is no room for anything but his agenda. He said in a headline today that his health care overhaul would be passed this year, even without the support of Republicans. Health care involves everyone, not just Democrats.

I hate to be snide, but it's just like a Liberal (or whatever you term yourself) to change the subject (Iraq) and once again, not answer my questions.................................

If you Republicans are going to claim that you sincerely care about this issue and about enacting real reform, you've got to produce the evidence. You're the only one, AJHopp, who has even taken a stab at it thus far, and I fail to see how McCain's plan reforms the health care system in a way that deals with its major failings. Is that all you've got to offer in the way of Republican ideas?

GeneralE's point is well taken. You and the Republicans lack credibility, notwithstanding your claims to the contrary.

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08/05/2009 10:13:41 PM · #330

Originally posted by karmat:

Just got a link to this in an email. I thought it was kinda interesting. . .

Have a looksee

Don't know if anyone bothered to look at it or not, but it has some interesting numbers in it. "My senator sent it to me" in his august newsletter.

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08/05/2009 10:14:13 PM · #331

Message edited by author 2009-08-06 01:11:11.

08/05/2009 10:15:45 PM · #332

Originally posted by NikonJeb:

Originally posted by AJHopp:
Kelli, the debate is very much about the how. Republicans and others have given input on health care, but it's Obama's way or the highway...

Originally posted by GeneralE:
And the Republican plan to cover everyone and save money would be ...

Note that the Republicans had nearly eight years of complete control of all three branches of government to address this issue -- instead they dropped a few hundred billion dollars (and a hundred thousand lives) on Iraq ...

Originally posted by AJHopp:
Well, if you paid attention during the election process (without getting sucked up in the Obama mania), you might remember John McCain's suggestion regarding different insurance choices that would extend across state lines. We have car insurance, dental insurance, and house insurance policies we can choose with varying degrees of coverage - why not health insurance? You don't get to hear Republican ideas, because 1) the media is Obama's lap dog and 2) there is no room for anything but his agenda. He said in a headline today that his health care overhaul would be passed this year, even without the support of Republicans. Health care involves everyone, not just Democrats.

I hate to be snide, but it's just like a Liberal (or whatever you term yourself) to change the subject (Iraq) and once again, not answer my questions.................................

Wait a minute! The only reason that McCain said anything at all about was in response to Obama's pledge to try to do something about it.

And how is pointing out that the Republicans chose to spend a bazillion dollars in Iraq instead of overhauling the health care system changing the subject?

You remember Hillary wanted to do something about it, brought the situation to national headlines, and as soon as the Republicans went into office, NOTHING more was done.
And where did you get the idea that you can't get various levels of health care?

I could have gotten a variety of levels and options when I was paying for my family as a small business owner......but I was paying roughly $850 a month for basic major medical.......you wanna do the math for the differential once the first $2500 before the major medical kicked in, or add the dental, optical, and presription drug plans?

I really don't think you have a clue as to what a burden it is to self-insure.

Because it's always a tit for tat battle. Instead of dealing with the NOW, everyone wants to point fingers and blame Bush. Bush didn't quadruple the deficit. Obama did, and he did it in a matter of months. Obama is the one shoving health care down our throats. Obama is the one preaching to us about the sacrifices we need to make, while he spends, spends, spends! This is what's happening NOW! But since you mentioned Iraq, I thought one of Obama's campaign promises was to bring troops home. Correct me if I'm wrong (and I'm sure you will), Obama is still funding Iraq and Afghanistan. I guess it's ok if he does it, right?

I said changes needed to be made. Maybe I am ignorant on insurance. Somebody help me out here. Why can car, dental, and house insurance (all necessities for the most part) be affordable, but health care can't be? How is health care different from any other insured service provided? I really would like to know! Maybe we should be allowed to put our own money into our own pockets, instead of watching it fund Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security and all the other taxations. It's technically my money, none of which I will see by retirement age. Can you imagine how affordable health care might be if we were allowed to actually fund our care versus the care of everyone else? And that's what we'll get with ObamaCare. More taxation. The Government only knows how to take....

Which brings me to my still unanswered question that I've asked for the bazillionth time: HOW WILL GOVERNMENT RUN HEALTH CARE BE FUNDED??????????

Message edited by author 2009-08-05 22:22:31.

08/05/2009 10:30:53 PM · #333

Originally posted by AJHopp:

Which brings me to my still unanswered question that I've asked for the bazillionth time: HOW WILL GOVERNMENT RUN HEALTH CARE BE FUNDED??????????

Duh!

How do you think health care is funded now?

By the way......some night, take a drive by your friendly neighborhood insurance corporate HQ, and tell me what you think of how it's going now.

When I see all the lights blazing in a 15 million dollar building that is nothing but offices in an urban backwater like Harrisburg, Pa, I know something's seriously wrong.

You wanna hate Obama, fine, but open your eyes in the meantime.

08/05/2009 10:31:07 PM · #334

Originally posted by Judith Polakoff:

Originally posted by AJHopp:

Originally posted by GeneralE:

Originally posted by AJHopp:
Kelli, the debate is very much about the how. Republicans and others have given input on health care, but it's Obama's way or the highway...

And the Republican plan to cover everyone and save money would be ...

Note that the Republicans had nearly eight years of complete control of all three branches of government to address this issue -- instead they dropped a few hundred billion dollars (and a hundred thousand lives) on Iraq ...

Well, if you paid attention during the election process (without getting sucked up in the Obama mania), you might remember John McCain's suggestion regarding different insurance choices that would extend across state lines. We have car insurance, dental insurance, and house insurance policies we can choose with varying degrees of coverage - why not health insurance? You don't get to hear Republican ideas, because 1) the media is Obama's lap dog and 2) there is no room for anything but his agenda. He said in a headline today that his health care overhaul would be passed this year, even without the support of Republicans. Health care involves everyone, not just Democrats.

I hate to be snide, but it's just like a Liberal (or whatever you term yourself) to change the subject (Iraq) and once again, not answer my questions.................................

If you Republicans are going to claim that you sincerely care about this issue and about enacting real reform, you've got to produce the evidence. You're the only one, AJHopp, who has even taken a stab at it thus far, and I fail to see how McCain's plan reforms the health care system in a way that deals with its major failings. Is that all you've got to offer in the way of Republican ideas?

GeneralE's point is well taken. You and the Republicans lack credibility, notwithstanding your claims to the contrary.

I'm Conservative and I don't get paid enough (or should I say I don't get to keep enough of my money) to have credibility. :) Oh and Judith - type "republican ideas on health care" using whatever search engine you desire if you're really interested in finding out. Somehow, I doubt you are...

08/05/2009 10:32:43 PM · #335

Originally posted by AJHopp:

I'm Conservative and I don't get paid enough (or should I say I don't get to keep enough of my money) to have credibility. :)

Just out of curiosity, have you ever had to pay your healthcare completely out of pocket?

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08/05/2009 10:34:49 PM · #336

Originally posted by AJHopp:

Originally posted by NikonJeb:

Originally posted by AJHopp:
Kelli, the debate is very much about the how. Republicans and others have given input on health care, but it's Obama's way or the highway...

Originally posted by GeneralE:
And the Republican plan to cover everyone and save money would be ...

Note that the Republicans had nearly eight years of complete control of all three branches of government to address this issue -- instead they dropped a few hundred billion dollars (and a hundred thousand lives) on Iraq ...

Originally posted by AJHopp:
Well, if you paid attention during the election process (without getting sucked up in the Obama mania), you might remember John McCain's suggestion regarding different insurance choices that would extend across state lines. We have car insurance, dental insurance, and house insurance policies we can choose with varying degrees of coverage - why not health insurance? You don't get to hear Republican ideas, because 1) the media is Obama's lap dog and 2) there is no room for anything but his agenda. He said in a headline today that his health care overhaul would be passed this year, even without the support of Republicans. Health care involves everyone, not just Democrats.

I hate to be snide, but it's just like a Liberal (or whatever you term yourself) to change the subject (Iraq) and once again, not answer my questions.................................

Wait a minute! The only reason that McCain said anything at all about was in response to Obama's pledge to try to do something about it.

And how is pointing out that the Republicans chose to spend a bazillion dollars in Iraq instead of overhauling the health care system changing the subject?

You remember Hillary wanted to do something about it, brought the situation to national headlines, and as soon as the Republicans went into office, NOTHING more was done.
And where did you get the idea that you can't get various levels of health care?

I could have gotten a variety of levels and options when I was paying for my family as a small business owner......but I was paying roughly $850 a month for basic major medical.......you wanna do the math for the differential once the first $2500 before the major medical kicked in, or add the dental, optical, and presription drug plans?

I really don't think you have a clue as to what a burden it is to self-insure.

Because it's always a tit for tat battle. Instead of dealing with the NOW, everyone wants to point fingers and blame Bush. Bush didn't quadruple the deficit. Obama did, and he did it in a matter of months. Obama is the one shoving health care down our throats. Obama is the one preaching to us about the sacrifices we need to make, while he spends, spends, spends! This is what's happening NOW! But since you mentioned Iraq, I thought one of Obama's campaign promises was to bring troops home. Correct me if I'm wrong (and I'm sure you will), Obama is still funding Iraq and Afghanistan. I guess it's ok if he does it, right?

I said changes needed to be made. Maybe I am ignorant on insurance. Somebody help me out here. Why can car, dental, and house insurance (all necessities for the most part) be affordable, but health care can't be? How is health care different from any other insured service provided? I really would like to know! Maybe we should be allowed to put our own money into our own pockets, instead of watching it fund Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security and all the other taxations. It's technically my money, none of which I will see by retirement age. Can you imagine how affordable health care might be if we were allowed to actually fund our care versus the care of everyone else? And that's what we'll get with ObamaCare. More taxation. The Government only knows how to take....

Which brings me to my still unanswered question that I've asked for the bazillionth time: HOW WILL GOVERNMENT RUN HEALTH CARE BE FUNDED??????????

Maybe you should read this... //mediamatters.org/research/200907140057

Message edited by author 2009-08-05 22:35:21.

pawdrix

Nikon D700

08/05/2009 10:36:31 PM · #337

Originally posted by AJHopp:

Instead of dealing with the NOW...[/b]

People are bringing things...time...failed policy...neglect...ballooning debt (pre-Obama) into play because these problems we face didn't occur overnight and certainly not within the last 198(?) days that the poor guys been in office. I don't envy him his job...it's the biggest shit sandwich imaginable.

As for the debt both He and Bush would be in the same state since they were in favor of the bailouts. It seems to have stopped the free fall we were in but not being an economist, I can't say much more although some experts say we still didn't do enough and need to do more.

Personally, I was expecting to become a weird Mad Max character withing a few years, at the rate we were going...but I think I'd look terrible in a red mohawk hair-doo and black leather, so I was happy for the bailout.

Message edited by author 2009-08-05 22:38:30.

08/05/2009 10:37:48 PM · #338

Originally posted by NikonJeb:

Originally posted by AJHopp:
Which brings me to my still unanswered question that I've asked for the bazillionth time: HOW WILL GOVERNMENT RUN HEALTH CARE BE FUNDED??????????

Duh!

How do you think health care is funded now?

By the way......some night, take a drive by your friendly neighborhood insurance corporate HQ, and tell me what you think of how it's going now.

When I see all the lights blazing in a 15 million dollar building that is nothing but offices in an urban backwater like Harrisburg, Pa, I know something's seriously wrong.

You wanna hate Obama, fine, but open your eyes in the meantime.

"Duh" seems to be a common, Liberal term in this forum. LOL Obama says blame the insurance companies, so you blame the insurance companies. Have you checked into how much the average physician pays in malpractice suits? Would you follow Obama if he jumped off a cliff?

08/05/2009 10:39:37 PM · #339

Originally posted by Kelli:

Originally posted by AJHopp:

Originally posted by NikonJeb:

Originally posted by AJHopp:
Kelli, the debate is very much about the how. Republicans and others have given input on health care, but it's Obama's way or the highway...

Originally posted by GeneralE:
And the Republican plan to cover everyone and save money would be ...

Note that the Republicans had nearly eight years of complete control of all three branches of government to address this issue -- instead they dropped a few hundred billion dollars (and a hundred thousand lives) on Iraq ...

Originally posted by AJHopp:
Well, if you paid attention during the election process (without getting sucked up in the Obama mania), you might remember John McCain's suggestion regarding different insurance choices that would extend across state lines. We have car insurance, dental insurance, and house insurance policies we can choose with varying degrees of coverage - why not health insurance? You don't get to hear Republican ideas, because 1) the media is Obama's lap dog and 2) there is no room for anything but his agenda. He said in a headline today that his health care overhaul would be passed this year, even without the support of Republicans. Health care involves everyone, not just Democrats.

I hate to be snide, but it's just like a Liberal (or whatever you term yourself) to change the subject (Iraq) and once again, not answer my questions.................................

Wait a minute! The only reason that McCain said anything at all about was in response to Obama's pledge to try to do something about it.

And how is pointing out that the Republicans chose to spend a bazillion dollars in Iraq instead of overhauling the health care system changing the subject?

You remember Hillary wanted to do something about it, brought the situation to national headlines, and as soon as the Republicans went into office, NOTHING more was done.
And where did you get the idea that you can't get various levels of health care?

I could have gotten a variety of levels and options when I was paying for my family as a small business owner......but I was paying roughly $850 a month for basic major medical.......you wanna do the math for the differential once the first $2500 before the major medical kicked in, or add the dental, optical, and presription drug plans?

I really don't think you have a clue as to what a burden it is to self-insure.

Because it's always a tit for tat battle. Instead of dealing with the NOW, everyone wants to point fingers and blame Bush. Bush didn't quadruple the deficit. Obama did, and he did it in a matter of months. Obama is the one shoving health care down our throats. Obama is the one preaching to us about the sacrifices we need to make, while he spends, spends, spends! This is what's happening NOW! But since you mentioned Iraq, I thought one of Obama's campaign promises was to bring troops home. Correct me if I'm wrong (and I'm sure you will), Obama is still funding Iraq and Afghanistan. I guess it's ok if he does it, right?

I said changes needed to be made. Maybe I am ignorant on insurance. Somebody help me out here. Why can car, dental, and house insurance (all necessities for the most part) be affordable, but health care can't be? How is health care different from any other insured service provided? I really would like to know! Maybe we should be allowed to put our own money into our own pockets, instead of watching it fund Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security and all the other taxations. It's technically my money, none of which I will see by retirement age. Can you imagine how affordable health care might be if we were allowed to actually fund our care versus the care of everyone else? And that's what we'll get with ObamaCare. More taxation. The Government only knows how to take....

Which brings me to my still unanswered question that I've asked for the bazillionth time: HOW WILL GOVERNMENT RUN HEALTH CARE BE FUNDED??????????

Maybe you should read this... //mediamatters.org/research/200907140057

Why read that crap when you can watch it on T.V.?

08/05/2009 10:42:02 PM · #340

Originally posted by NikonJeb:

Originally posted by AJHopp:
I'm Conservative and I don't get paid enough (or should I say I don't get to keep enough of my money) to have credibility. :)

Just out of curiosity, have you ever had to pay your healthcare completely out of pocket?

Have you ever had to pay for yours and everyone else's health care completely out of pocket? Well, get ready! :)

08/05/2009 10:44:17 PM · #341

Originally posted by AJHopp:

Originally posted by NikonJeb:

Originally posted by AJHopp:
Which brings me to my still unanswered question that I've asked for the bazillionth time: HOW WILL GOVERNMENT RUN HEALTH CARE BE FUNDED??????????

Duh!

How do you think health care is funded now?

By the way......some night, take a drive by your friendly neighborhood insurance corporate HQ, and tell me what you think of how it's going now.

When I see all the lights blazing in a 15 million dollar building that is nothing but offices in an urban backwater like Harrisburg, Pa, I know something's seriously wrong.

You wanna hate Obama, fine, but open your eyes in the meantime.

"Duh" seems to be a common, Liberal term in this forum. LOL Obama says blame the insurance companies, so you blame the insurance companies. Have you checked into how much the average physician pays in malpractice suits? Would you follow Obama if he jumped off a cliff?

I actually have a whole bunch of doctors that live in my area. They all live in McMansions, have maids and elevators and drive mega expensive cars. I remember taking my daughter to a sleep over when she was in middle school. Both parents of the child were doctors. The child had her own "wing". I really don't think they are suffering over much.

08/05/2009 10:46:02 PM · #342

Originally posted by pawdrix:

Originally posted by AJHopp:
Instead of dealing with the NOW...[/b]

People are bringing things...time...failed policy...neglect...ballooning debt (pre-Obama) into play because these problems we face didn't occur overnight and certainly not within the last 198(?) days that the poor guys been in office. I don't envy him his job...it's the biggest shit sandwich imaginable.

As for the debt both He and Bush would be in the same state since they were in favor of the bailouts. It seems to have stopped the free fall we were in but not being an economist, I can't say much more although some experts say we still didn't do enough and need to do more.

Personally, I was expecting to become a weird Mad Max character withing a few years, at the rate we were going...but I think I'd look terrible in a red mohawk hair-doo and black leather, so I was happy for the bailout.

When the economy improves a slight bit (according to a Newsweek article Obama cited), Obama will say the stimulus is working. When it's not so good news (still waiting on the unemployment data) he will say it was meant to be a 10 year plan.........

08/05/2009 10:48:26 PM · #343

Originally posted by AJHopp:

Why read that crap when you can watch it on T.V.?

You seem to have completely closed your mind to everything that doesn't agree with the repub talking heads shows that you listen to. I just hope for your sake if reform doesn't go through you never get sick and lose your job (read: medical coverage) at the same time. I can tell you from personal experience it's no walk in the park. I wouldn't put my worst enemy through what I went through.

08/05/2009 10:53:28 PM · #344

Originally posted by Kelli:

Originally posted by AJHopp:

Originally posted by NikonJeb:

Originally posted by AJHopp:
Which brings me to my still unanswered question that I've asked for the bazillionth time: HOW WILL GOVERNMENT RUN HEALTH CARE BE FUNDED??????????

Duh!

How do you think health care is funded now?

By the way......some night, take a drive by your friendly neighborhood insurance corporate HQ, and tell me what you think of how it's going now.

When I see all the lights blazing in a 15 million dollar building that is nothing but offices in an urban backwater like Harrisburg, Pa, I know something's seriously wrong.

You wanna hate Obama, fine, but open your eyes in the meantime.

"Duh" seems to be a common, Liberal term in this forum. LOL Obama says blame the insurance companies, so you blame the insurance companies. Have you checked into how much the average physician pays in malpractice suits? Would you follow Obama if he jumped off a cliff?

I actually have a whole bunch of doctors that live in my area. They all live in McMansions, have maids and elevators and drive mega expensive cars. I remember taking my daughter to a sleep over when she was in middle school. Both parents of the child were doctors. The child had her own "wing". I really don't think they are suffering over much.

Another Liberal trait I forgot to mention. Rich people are bad. Have you ever thought about going to medical school, Kelli? I bet the government would subsidize your education if you asked them to! :)

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08/05/2009 10:57:52 PM · #345

Originally posted by AJHopp:

I'm Conservative and I don't get paid enough (or should I say I don't get to keep enough of my money) to have credibility. :)

Originally posted by NikonJeb:

Just out of curiosity, have you ever had to pay your healthcare completely out of pocket?

Originally posted by AJHopp:

Have you ever had to pay for yours and everyone else's health care completely out of pocket? Well, get ready! :)

So......I'm going to assume by your refusal to answer the question that the answer is no, you haven't ever had to.......it seemed also patently apparent by your complete ignorance of what's available in the way of options that you really don't know much about health insurance at all.

And since it doesn't seem that you're paying much for your own insurance anyway, it seems like you just want to continue whatever free ride you're getting now.

So what's your answer? You are doing a lot of squawking and griping about Obama.....what's your solution?

GeneralE

Canon PowerShot S3 IS

08/05/2009 10:58:15 PM · #346

Originally posted by AJHopp:

Bush didn't quadruple the deficit. Obama did, ...

According to the US Treasury, Bush essentially ran up as much of a deficit as the country had in the 224 years up to his administration. Show me where Obama's now quadrupled that figure ... somehow I think we'd have heard (from China if nowhere else) if the US not had a forty trillion dollar deficit.

Originally posted by US Treasury Department:

Historical Debt Outstanding - Annual 2000 - 2008
09/30/2008 10,024,724,896,912.49
09/30/2007 9,007,653,372,262.48
09/30/2006 8,506,973,899,215.23
09/30/2005 7,932,709,661,723.50
09/30/2004 7,379,052,696,330.32
09/30/2003 6,783,231,062,743.62
09/30/2002 6,228,235,965,597.16
09/30/2001 5,807,463,412,200.06
09/30/2000 5,674,178,209,886.86

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08/05/2009 10:59:01 PM · #347

Originally posted by AJHopp:

Originally posted by Kelli:

Originally posted by AJHopp:

Originally posted by NikonJeb:

Originally posted by AJHopp:
Which brings me to my still unanswered question that I've asked for the bazillionth time: HOW WILL GOVERNMENT RUN HEALTH CARE BE FUNDED??????????

Duh!

How do you think health care is funded now?

By the way......some night, take a drive by your friendly neighborhood insurance corporate HQ, and tell me what you think of how it's going now.

When I see all the lights blazing in a 15 million dollar building that is nothing but offices in an urban backwater like Harrisburg, Pa, I know something's seriously wrong.

You wanna hate Obama, fine, but open your eyes in the meantime.

"Duh" seems to be a common, Liberal term in this forum. LOL Obama says blame the insurance companies, so you blame the insurance companies. Have you checked into how much the average physician pays in malpractice suits? Would you follow Obama if he jumped off a cliff?

I actually have a whole bunch of doctors that live in my area. They all live in McMansions, have maids and elevators and drive mega expensive cars. I remember taking my daughter to a sleep over when she was in middle school. Both parents of the child were doctors. The child had her own "wing". I really don't think they are suffering over much.

Another Liberal trait I forgot to mention. Rich people are bad. Have you ever thought about going to medical school, Kelli? I bet the government would subsidize your education if you asked them to! :)

I don't believe you are right there since they wouldn't help with my accounting degree or when I went to technical school. All the loans were on me. And I didn't say rich people were bad. Never once said that. I said they weren't hurting in the least by paying those malpractice rates. And hey, when doctors start taking the time to actually read the things on their charts, they wouldn't make so many mistakes to get sued over. My father in law lost both his legs to a doctor who didn't take the time to read that veins should have been taken from his arms and not his legs for bypass surgery due to an old leg injury. And my in laws didn't sue because the doctor apologized.

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08/05/2009 11:01:21 PM · #348

Originally posted by AJHopp:

Which brings me to my still unanswered question that I've asked for the bazillionth time: HOW WILL GOVERNMENT RUN HEALTH CARE BE FUNDED??????????

How about with the money currently spend propping up the lifestyle of insurance company CEOs? You think were going to pay for government health care and keep paying what we do now to insurance? Use some common sense -- we'll pay for it with the same (or fewer) total dollars as we spend on health care now.

08/05/2009 11:01:44 PM · #349

Originally posted by Kelli:

Originally posted by AJHopp:

Why read that crap when you can watch it on T.V.?

You seem to have completely closed your mind to everything that doesn't agree with the repub talking heads shows that you listen to. I just hope for your sake if reform doesn't go through you never get sick and lose your job (read: medical coverage) at the same time. I can tell you from personal experience it's no walk in the park. I wouldn't put my worst enemy through what I went through.

Seems a little hypocritical to say I'm closed minded when everything I post is met with snide comments and a refute of some kind. If I say the sun is shining, you people will say "it's cloudy in New York, what do you mean the sun is shining?!" Gee, Kelli, I hope I don't lose my health insurance and get sick at the same time, too, and I wouldn't wish that on anybody, either. I guess I'm not as closed minded as you thought, huh? For the bazillionth time, I didn't say change wasn't needed. I said it doesn't need to come from the government and it didn't need to be done by August. Anything else you wish to pick apart? I need to get to bed so I can get up and go to work, maintain my insurance and pay my taxes. Good night! :)