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05/13/2004 11:48:41 AM · #1 |
I have done it to myself again. My title is confusing people (in the Opposites challenge). That's what the comments indicate to me.
All I have to say is ***LOOK AT THE PHOTO!!!!***. Do you see something that stands out as opposites?
I personally feel if you depend on the title to show the opposites, then the concept of "opposites" is not a focal point of the photo, and while it's not the end of the world, it's not really "geared" towards the challenge (though this time it's related to the challenge but not to my photo's exposition of it!)
For the titles, I just try to come up with something nice, and what I would want the photo called "long term". That may have nothing to do with the challenge.
Message edited by author 2004-05-13 12:25:16. |
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05/13/2004 12:19:44 PM · #2 |
I agree 1000%!!!
I'm experiencing the same thing. There is an OBVIOUS opposite going on in my image. It is BLATANT !! But, I chose not to beat people over the head with my title, and be more creative and subtle, and as you mentioned, giving it a more appropriate title for the long term.
Although my image is doing well (I probably should not complain), it has dropped over 1 full point in the last day or so. Some are getting it, but many of the comments I am getting refer to my title, and them not seeing the opposites because of the confusing title.
Next time, I'LL TAKE OUT MY BAT !!! Argh!
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05/13/2004 12:40:39 PM · #3 |
Originally posted by nshapiro:
For the titles, I just try to come up with something nice, and what I would want the photo called "long term". That may have nothing to do with the challenge. |
I agree, the long term is what I had in mind when I added my title. Unfortunately, I have two comments indicating that they don't see the opposite. I see several opposites in my picture and didn't want to limit what people saw by titling it "up/down" or some such.
But now that I'm getting hammered in the scoring and have no (0, none, nada) other comments, I'm beginning to wonder if I should have gone with a blatant title to point out (what should be) the obvious.
Sigh...
I feel better now. |
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05/13/2004 12:44:32 PM · #4 |
Challenge says :Black and White. Left and Right. Take a photo of two opposite things.
So, for some folks if your photo doesn't have black and white subject it doesn't meet the challenge!
I allready have at least three out of 12 comments stating that doesn't meet the challenge,people are just ridiculus ! |
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05/13/2004 12:50:55 PM · #5 |
I am unsure if I can completely agree with this.
Sure an image should stand on its own. Sure an image should have a pleasing long-term title. Those I can agree with.
However, I also see where a title can dramatically affect how someone views an image.
I have one recent photo (I wish that I had it here to display right now...) that can have to drastically different results depending purely on how it is titled.
The image is of a woman caught up in a very strong laughter. So much that her eyes are closed tightly and she is bowled over slightly...
Titling the image "Laughter" you can easily see a very happy time for the subject. You could honestly relate to the apparent joy that the subject is experiencing.
On the other hand, it can also be titled "Anguish", which greatly affects the mood of this image. Then you see the initial rush of an intense pain before the emotion erupts into tears on the subject's face.
I have taken both titles and put them on the image and have shown them seperately to a few people. The reactions are quite interesting, all based upon the subtle title.
That's just my way of looking at it. |
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05/13/2004 12:54:43 PM · #6 |
Originally posted by pitsaman:
Challenge says :Black and White. Left and Right. Take a photo of two opposite things.
So, for some folks if your photo doesn't have black and white subject it doesn't meet the challenge!
I allready have at least three out of 12 comments stating that doesn't meet the challenge,people are just ridiculus ! |
It's all how someone interprets the challenge. I have to say that I had some trouble discerning what was exactly wanted in this challenge myself.
I figured B&W photos or subjects that are entirely B&W were needed. I saw the Left and Right simply describing the contrast element requested.
Perhaps this challenge wasn't as clear as it could/should have been. |
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05/13/2004 01:05:24 PM · #7 |
Originally posted by Nelzie:
Originally posted by pitsaman:
Challenge says :Black and White. Left and Right. Take a photo of two opposite things.
So, for some folks if your photo doesn't have black and white subject it doesn't meet the challenge!
I allready have at least three out of 12 comments stating that doesn't meet the challenge,people are just ridiculus ! |
It's all how someone interprets the challenge. I have to say that I had some trouble discerning what was exactly wanted in this challenge myself.
I figured B&W photos or subjects that are entirely B&W were needed. I saw the Left and Right simply describing the contrast element requested.
Perhaps this challenge wasn't as clear as it could/should have been. |
O.k. so that's how you saw it. And then, when you saw a few hundred entries and half of them don't agree with your interpretation what did you think?
I think a lot of people said to themselves, "Look at all the idiots who submitted photos--they just don't get it like I do!" Maybe the problem isn't with the definition of the challenge.... |
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05/13/2004 01:21:35 PM · #8 |
I'm surprised to see people thinking black and white was necessary in the Opposites challenge... I interpreted "black and white, left and right" to be demonstrative of opposites, not of what should be included in the photo, literally.
Hmm... odd. Usually I take the descriptions more literally than others, or so it'd seem. I guess not in this case :) |
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05/13/2004 01:21:42 PM · #9 |
Originally posted by mariomel:
I agree 1000%!!!
Next time, I'LL TAKE OUT MY BAT !!! Argh! |
Yup next time you should. This isn't an art gallery, It is more like shooing for a newspaper. Your shot gets about one second to get its reaction, anything more than that is earned. Subtely should reward those who pause, but you have to have some real visual impact in your shot to earn the time for reflection.
That said if you go for an obvious solution that every one can see the the aplicability to the challenge of your shot, you will be in a crowd and punished for that as well. Look at all the "Fire and Ice" "Death and life of flowers" or "Black and white in a Mirror" shots. Even if they are perfectly presented they get hammered because people are sick of them by the time they finish judging.
It is the technically strong highly applicable but surprising shot that wins hearts and votes.
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05/13/2004 01:49:33 PM · #10 |
Originally posted by KaDi:
Originally posted by Nelzie:
Originally posted by pitsaman:
Challenge says :Black and White. Left and Right. Take a photo of two opposite things.
So, for some folks if your photo doesn't have black and white subject it doesn't meet the challenge!
I allready have at least three out of 12 comments stating that doesn't meet the challenge,people are just ridiculus ! |
It's all how someone interprets the challenge. I have to say that I had some trouble discerning what was exactly wanted in this challenge myself.
I figured B&W photos or subjects that are entirely B&W were needed. I saw the Left and Right simply describing the contrast element requested.
Perhaps this challenge wasn't as clear as it could/should have been. |
O.k. so that's how you saw it. And then, when you saw a few hundred entries and half of them don't agree with your interpretation what did you think?
I think a lot of people said to themselves, "Look at all the idiots who submitted photos--they just don't get it like I do!" Maybe the problem isn't with the definition of the challenge.... |
I judged the entries I have voted on based upon what I see that Person's interpretation of the challenge. I was surprised at the variations initially and then thought to myself, "I guess B&W images weren't demanded."
Then I voted based upon the feelings conveyed, content and degree of matching the challenge. (Which should be discernable rather quickly, especially with a significant, yet subtle title.)
That's all. I do my best to be fair, even with a subject that I find unappealing, but still matches the challenge or is put together well. |
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05/13/2004 01:56:10 PM · #11 |
Originally posted by BrennanOB:
Originally posted by mariomel:
I agree 1000%!!!
Next time, I'LL TAKE OUT MY BAT !!! Argh! |
Yup next time you should. This isn't an art gallery, It is more like shooing for a newspaper. Your shot gets about one second to get its reaction, anything more than that is earned. Subtely should reward those who pause, but you have to have some real visual impact in your shot to earn the time for reflection.
That said if you go for an obvious solution that every one can see the the aplicability to the challenge of your shot, you will be in a crowd and punished for that as well. Look at all the "Fire and Ice" "Death and life of flowers" or "Black and white in a Mirror" shots. Even if they are perfectly presented they get hammered because people are sick of them by the time they finish judging.
It is the technically strong highly applicable but surprising shot that wins hearts and votes. |
If you don't want to play here, then go home!!
I know I've seen lots of images in this challenge that aren't opposite, they merely go hand in hand with each other-like cat and dog-which aren't opposite.
On the other hand, the opposite to this one, I've seen some really good images. |
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05/13/2004 01:56:59 PM · #12 |
Originally posted by mocabela:
I'm surprised to see people thinking black and white was necessary in the Opposites challenge... I interpreted "black and white, left and right" to be demonstrative of opposites, not of what should be included in the photo, literally.
Hmm... odd. Usually I take the descriptions more literally than others, or so it'd seem. I guess not in this case :) |
My entry is not black and white and has no left and right in it. I interpreted the statement in the challenge as just an illustration of any two opposite things/concept/idea whatever.
Edit to add: My title didn't try to explain the photo either.
Message edited by author 2004-05-13 13:58:38.
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05/13/2004 02:17:09 PM · #13 |
Originally posted by UNCLEBRO:
...Snip...
I know I've seen lots of images in this challenge that aren't opposite, they merely go hand in hand with each other-like cat and dog-which aren't opposite.
On the other hand, the opposite to this one, I've seen some really good images. |
Well, I know personally that at least one of these cases you interpreted it as a case of non-opposites, "cat and dog", but you were misled by the title, and missed the features of the photo that were opposite.
And that's what prompted me to start this discussion. You weren't the first to be fooled by my title. I am running about 1 for every 3 commenters who were fooled, and probably a much higher percentage of non-commenters. HOWEVER: I am pretty certain, if I had left it untitled, you would have seen several opposites in the photo. I am guessing that those who read the title first are more likely to be fooled than those who look at the picture. (Or without giving myself away, I think I can say that those who are completely color blind would miss one of the features as well.)
So did my photo fail, in that case? No. I don't think so. I made the mistake of giving it what I thought was a fun title.
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05/13/2004 02:31:53 PM · #14 |
i have a problem with DPC adding their little "snippet" to a challenge. for example, they put in their snippet "if it's recognizable as an object, it's not an abstract" or something to that effect. the true definition of abstract is simply a dissociation between an object and its traditional meaning.
work calls...
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05/13/2004 04:32:38 PM · #15 |
Originally posted by UNCLEBRO:
Originally posted by mariomel:
I agree 1000%!!!
Next time, I'LL TAKE OUT MY BAT !!! Argh! |
If you don't want to play here, then go home!!
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Woah now. I never said I didn't want to play anymore. I just said that I wouldn't go for subtlety (sp?) anymore. Please reread my original statement at the begining of the thread.
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05/13/2004 05:42:58 PM · #16 |
I've found the opsosite happening in this challenege with me (pardon the pun). My shot was more or less a second thought, I just submitted it to submit. Also, the title to me seems weak, but people seem to be quite pleased with it. I currently have a score of 6.28 with 11 comments. I guess it is following the theme that if you really like the photo yourself, it does poorly, but if you don't like it, it does great.
I think I prefer the "like it alot, it does poorly" better than the converse, I don't care about how good a photo does when I don't even really like it. But I just had to submit something, its been so long since I have and I missed all the excitement of it. |
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