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05/06/2004 12:02:15 PM · #26

Originally posted by melismatica:

Should I post a copy of my daughter's birth certificate? The date on my camera was set to 1999, my daughter was 9 years old then. She is quite clearly not nine years old in this photo.

Camera dates must be checked at the time of taking the photo.
Alternate proof is not accepted.

05/06/2004 12:04:32 PM · #27

Originally posted by hbunch7187:

Originally posted by skiphunt:
I just registered for this site.... but after reading this thread, I think I made a mistake. I can't believe someone would be so malicious as to disqualify someone because their freakin' time and date setting was off. At first I thought this was some sort of error, but it looks like many of you are jumping on the bandwagon to chastise this person for a meaningless violation. Who cares?

Yeah, I know... if I don't like it, I can just keep walking. I believe I will. I would like to know if there's a way to cancel my registration? I have no desire to participate in this site's "challenges" and trivial arguing. Nor do I care to receive any email notices from this site. Can the admins please delete my registration?

Thanks.

What makes this site different from every other site is the time frame restrictions. If we didn't care about the date, then we would be just another photo critique site. The date is one of the most important things for the challenges. To submit a photo that was not taken within the dates, is not meaningless to me, or to the site. Sorry if you don't like it. But that's what we are.

I like the time frame aspect of the challenge because it makes you have to think. The problem I'm having with all the flak my innocent comment made was that I'm being accused of actually cheating, as if I had submitted a photo taken prior to the submission guidelines. It was a MISTAKE people! I took the photo on April 29th. I read the new rules cautioning people to check their camera's time/date stamp the next day. I didn't even know my frickin' camera had a time/date function. It was set to 1999 for cryin' out loud. Give me a break as a newbie, okay? Apparently, this is a common error because the administrator's felt it necessary to say it would no longer be accepted as an exuse. And it wasn't. I was disqualified. So why give me all this grief on top of that? I'm not complaining about being disqualified. My complaint is with the lack of comments despite the consistantly low voting. I thought this was a forum, first and foremost, for learning and sharing learning with other photographers. Apparently the ranking is what's on the majority of people's minds. Too bad.

Kamlan 28mm F1.4 MF for APS-C

05/06/2004 12:04:59 PM · #28

Originally posted by melismatica:

Like I said to the other nitpicker, it is hardly fair to accuse me of cheating because I went ahead and submitted an entry I worked hard on, in spite of a technicality. I took hundreds of photos that day. I never expected to be a ribbon contender AND I took the shot within the time of the contest. How is that cheating, excactly? Because of a stupid technicality? Should I post a copy of my daughter's birth certificate? The date on my camera was set to 1999, my daughter was 9 years old then. She is quite clearly not nine years old in this photo.

"The other nitpicker" Would be one of the other people that inforce the rules here at DPC along with me and 12 other people. No, you didn't 'cheat' However, you entered a photo that you KNEW would be DQed if questioned. To me, that is as bad as saying 'well...I'll never be caught, so who cares'. It is unfair to the people who do take the time to check their dates because they KNOW it is part of the site.
As for why your photo was originally requested for DQ? There are a zillion reasons people request DQ on shots. False editing is not the only reason. Maybe someone thought they saw it on another site. We've even had requests saying the moon phase didn't look right. Not saying these applied to you, but to let you know there are many many reasons.
While YOU may know when your photo was taken. WE don't. And that is why we made this a strict rule, because it's what DPC is all about.

Manic

DJI Mini 3 Pro

05/06/2004 12:05:44 PM · #29

Originally posted by melismatica:

Should I post a copy of my daughter's birth certificate? The date on my camera was set to 1999, my daughter was 9 years old then. She is quite clearly not nine years old in this photo.

If the camera's date was set to 1999, how can you prove that you didn't take the photo two weeks ago, and thus outside the challenge submission period?

05/06/2004 12:08:11 PM · #30

Originally posted by justine:

To upload for a challenge .. YOU are asked, Date of Exposure-YOU do have to answer and check a box: Yes, this photograph was taken with a digital camera on or between ___ 2004 and __2004

People are human and make errors. Just don't do it again and move on to the next challenge. It's not for money folks.....virtual ribbons.

HELLO? Is anyone reading what I've written? I took the picture on the date I entered, April 29th 2004. I didn't lie, my camera did. The fact that it says I took the photo sometime in 1999 does not change any facts. It just got me disqualified when I submitted the original for proof.

Tamron SP AF 28-75mm f/2.8 XR Di for Canon

05/06/2004 12:15:43 PM · #31

Originally posted by kirbic:

Originally posted by skiphunt:
I just registered for this site.... but after reading this thread, I think I made a mistake. I can't believe someone would be so malicious as to disqualify someone because their freakin' time and date setting was off. At first I thought this was some sort of error, but it looks like many of you are jumping on the bandwagon to chastise this person for a meaningless violation. Who cares?

Yeah, I know... if I don't like it, I can just keep walking. I believe I will. I would like to know if there's a way to cancel my registration? I have no desire to participate in this site's "challenges" and trivial arguing. Nor do I care to receive any email notices from this site. Can the admins please delete my registration?

Thanks.

I hope you do reconsider. It may seem like bickering to you now, however as hbunch7187 stated, the challenge timeframe is a defining feature of the site. The objective is to "challenge" us to go out each week and experiment. The outcome, for many (myself included) has been a greatly increased interest and pleasure in trying new things photographically. this naturally results in becoming a much better and well-rounded photographer.
If that's your objective, you could really enjoy the site. I hope you will stick around, there is alot of value here, and it is a great, tight-knit community as well.

As the person receiving all the flak, I second this advice. I like that the time frame keeps you thinking and challenges your resources. As a habitual point-and-shoot photographer, I appreciate the discipline.

I'm only upset by being accused of intentionally cheating. I didn't lie about the date in my submission and I don't mind that I was disqualified. It isn't a big deal. I just mind being called a cheater, particularly by the really officious comments made by the person who threatened that I could be suspended. Just how seriously are some people taking these ribbons?

Note: I submitted my photos on this thread in hopes that someone would make some comments (because of the dire lack of comments I got out of nearly 100 low votes). I was also hoping someone could suggest a reason why the photo was recommended for DQ in the first place, since it surely wasn't the time/date thing. The ONLY reason I was given for DQ was the time, so obviously I didn't cheat in any other way. Instead of useful comments about my entry I get accused of being a cheater. How about putting some of that critical energy toward my work and give my character a break?

Message edited by author 2004-05-06 12:16:49.

beckettboots

05/06/2004 12:16:17 PM · #32

Originally posted by justine:

To upload for a challenge .. YOU are asked, Date of Exposure-YOU do have to answer and check a box: Yes, this photograph was taken with a digital camera on or between ___ 2004 and __2004

Here's an idea - maybe instead of a checkbox that affirms that it was taken within the dates of the challenge, it should be with the f-stop and other exposure info on the shot for the entry. Because the person is looking at that info anyway, it'll give them the opportunity to confirm the date as it appears in the file.

I don't know how difficult that would be to add to the entry form, but I'd sure find it helpful.

skiphunt

05/06/2004 12:18:54 PM · #33

Oops... it appears I jumped the gun. I didn't realize the time-date rule was designed to force participants to go out and shoot something specifically for the challenge. That kinda makes sense now. And, I can see how that would set you apart. I've been a photographer for 20 years and could easily submit from my current catelogue, but forcing someone to shoot something new, and specifically for the challenge does sound kinda cool. That way, you're forced not to rest on your laurels. Here's a few samples of my work on a boutique stock site: //www.crateimages.com/search.php?submitSearch=1&Artist=Skip%20Hunt

And some of my images combined with feeble attempts at prose within the image descriptions: //skiphunt.deviantart.com

Still, it seem kinda harsh how people jumping all over this person for what could easily have been a simple error. Photographers can be such a nitpicky bunch. ;-)

Guess I'll hang out awhile and see what "develops"... Rats! That photographic pun no longer works in the digital realm. ;-)

skiphunt

Canon EOS-20D

05/06/2004 12:18:55 PM · #34

I'm sorry if it seems like I'm nitpicking. The way I read your post was that you knew that the date on your photo was wrong but figured you wouldn't get caught so it was okay to submit it anyway. In addition, the description on the version you posted in your portfolio says that you probably won't check for correct dates in the future, either. My point is that we take this very seriously, whether you are in first place or last place and don't appreciate the "well, I didn't think I'd get caught" sentiment. If that's not what you meant, them I'm sorry, but that's how it came across. I understand that you know that you took the photo on a certain day and that it's the "camera's fault" but the fact remains that the correct information must be in your photo.

If you have photos with incorrect dates, you are welcome to post them in the forums for feedback and critique.

Manic

DJI Mini 3 Pro

Kamlan 28mm F1.4 MF for APS-C

05/06/2004 12:19:37 PM · #35

Originally posted by beckettboots:

Originally posted by justine:
To upload for a challenge .. YOU are asked, Date of Exposure-YOU do have to answer and check a box: Yes, this photograph was taken with a digital camera on or between ___ 2004 and __2004

Here's an idea - maybe instead of a checkbox that affirms that it was taken within the dates of the challenge, it should be with the f-stop and other exposure info on the shot for the entry. Because the person is looking at that info anyway, it'll give them the opportunity to confirm the date as it appears in the file.

I don't know how difficult that would be to add to the entry form, but I'd sure find it helpful.

It's already there...

05/06/2004 12:19:40 PM · #36

melismatica: I think you must be posting responses as you read the thread. Hopefully by the time you get to the end here, you will see that we have responded repeatedly about the non-cheating thing.
Cheers.

05/06/2004 12:24:10 PM · #37

I realize what you are saying. I fully understand that the photo was in fact taken within the time frame. However, you DID enter a photo that you KNEW would be disqualified if questioned. Correct? All I am saying is that it is unfair to the other photos and to the voters. Say you had gotten lots of comments and people spent a lot of their time on your image. Then, last day, you were DQed. To me, knowing that you would be DQed is intentionally wasting everyone's time, where they could be spending it on a photo that has no chance in heck of being DQed because the users followed the rules and set their camera dates. I hate DQing shots like this for a simple mistake, but you KNEW you had made that mistake. It wastes everyone's time, including mine, who has to vote to request proof, wait for proof, review exif data and vote to DQ. It's not a quick procedure. And in fact, we just got an email from someone saying "I just checked the exif on my camera and it's wrong. please DQ my photo." Now THAT is the right thing to do.

05/06/2004 12:26:10 PM · #38

Originally posted by bestagents:

Originally posted by melismatica:
I've already been disqualified. I don't know what made someone send a DQ request on mine. I got disqualified for the time/date thing. I read about checking the time/date stamp after I had taken my shots. But i figured I wasn't going to come close to a ribbon, so who would bother asking for proof? I just wanted the comments anyway. Out of 96 votes (last I checked before I was DQd) I only got one comment. I'm mystified by what made someone think I cheated (since they couldn't know about my time/date stamp problem).
Here's the entry and the original. Of course, any comments or critiques are truly appreciated. If you've seen these posted on another thread, forgive me for being repetitive and ignore me. :D

I am not sure what you intended from your post, but what i read is that you thought it was OK to violate the rules as long as you were not going to score well? So it is not cheating unless you are caught?

If that mindset is pervasive it might explain why we are getting so many DQ's when proof is requested. Makes me wonder if maybe 40% of the entries are illegal!

chris

I don't know why I keep bothering to defend my character but here goes again, I DID NOT CHEAT! I took the photo in the time frame given. I took it on April 29th, 2004. I was unaware that my camera had a time/date stamp and that it was set to sometime in 1999. I discovered this after I submitted my photo when I read the adendum to the editing rules and there was a caution to remember to set the time/date stamp correctly. When I checked this, I saw that it was incorrect but I decided to keep my entry in the challenge. I know when I took the photo so I can sleep securely in the knowledge I'm not a cheater. My daughter, the subject of this photo, was born in 1990. She is quite obviously not 9 years old in this photo as the date in the original would suggest. I made a error in judgement, that is all. I didn't care about the ribbon I knew I wasn't going to come close to winning. I just wanted some comments and suggestions people. I want to learn. And yet, has anyone made any in spite of my sincere request? I've just checked and coohar has been gracious and left me a nice comment. Mostly, I'm having my character attacked over a technicality. Not cool, folks. It's only my second submission. I just want some feedback. Is that so wrong?

beckettboots

05/06/2004 12:28:25 PM · #39

Originally posted by Manic:

Originally posted by beckettboots:
Here's an idea - maybe instead of a checkbox that affirms that it was taken within the dates of the challenge, it should be with the f-stop and other exposure info on the shot for the entry. Because the person is looking at that info anyway, it'll give them the opportunity to confirm the date as it appears in the file.

It's already there...

Whoops, I should have been more specific. I mean the actual exposure time as well ... as it is now I just know that I took it yesterday or the day before and put that in. If it was date and time, maybe it would force folks to actually look at the date on the file instead of when they thought they took it.

Just a thought.

It is heart breaking to hear about folks who get dq'd for such a small thing but I understand that the rules must be applied evenly - I know that there was no attempt to "cheat."

Canon EF 24-70mm f/2.8L USM

05/06/2004 12:29:50 PM · #40

I give up (LOL)

doctornick

Apple iPhone 13 Pro

05/06/2004 12:30:31 PM · #41

Another first for me! Originating a post that spawns 39+ replies and counting! Woo hoo! (I'm easily pleased.)

doctornick

Apple iPhone 13 Pro

Canon EF 24-70mm f/2.8L USM

05/06/2004 12:31:19 PM · #42

BTW anyone know the answer to that question below? ;-)

05/06/2004 12:32:23 PM · #43

Originally posted by bestagents:

Originally posted by skiphunt:
I just registered for this site.... but after reading this thread, I think I made a mistake. I can't believe someone would be so malicious as to disqualify someone because their freakin' time and date setting was off. At first I thought this was some sort of error, but it looks like many of you are jumping on the bandwagon to chastise this person for a meaningless violation. Who cares?

Yeah, I know... if I don't like it, I can just keep walking. I believe I will. I would like to know if there's a way to cancel my registration? I have no desire to participate in this site's "challenges" and trivial arguing. Nor do I care to receive any email notices from this site. Can the admins please delete my registration?

Thanks.

Read the rules. If you cannot agree to work within the rules, then PLEASE leave the site to those of us that will obey the rules.

As to the 'error' of date or time - is it an innocent error or intentional? How are we to know? We are to take your word for it? The decision has been made regarding the date and time issue on submissions, and there is NO wiggle room. That is the only fair way.

Did you even read the entire thread before responding? First of all, I didn't make the comment about leaving the site, someone else did. Since I'm the one who's entry was DQ'd I can only assume you are responding to me on both counts. I am not disputing the DQ. I've stated a few times, I don't mind. I'm only sad because I got lots of low votes (nearly 100 last I checked before being DQd) and only one comment. I didn't cheat, regarding the time/date stamp. It was set to 1999, my daughter is the subject of the photo and she was born in 1990. As she is not nine years old and it is pretty obvious in this photo I think it is pretty clear that I didn't intentionally cheat. That is just in defense of my character. My point is, I was hoping for some comments about my entry (since that is more important to me than a ranking) and I was also hoping someone had some insight as to why it was recommended for DQ in the first place. Obviously, the person couldn't have known the time/date stamp was set wrong on my camera so they had another reason. No one has offered me much of anything but abuse and misunderstanding. Thanks to coolhar who did leave a nice comment on my photo.

05/06/2004 12:32:25 PM · #44

wanting feedback is not wrong at all. But post it in the forums here from now on if the dates do not match the challenge submission dates. lots of people post old photos or edited photo or just a photo they want comments on in the forums. if we allowed incorrect exif dates to participate in challenges then there WOULD be a zillion of old out of date photos in the challenges. I hope you understand that. I will leave comments on your shot, but please post them in the forums rather than in the challenge if you have no intention of setting the date on your camera. That way, it's fair to everyone involved.

Canon EF 24-70mm f/2.8L USM

05/06/2004 12:34:03 PM · #45

Originally posted by doctornick:

BTW anyone know the answer to that question below? ;-)

which question?

doctornick

Apple iPhone 13 Pro

05/06/2004 12:36:07 PM · #46

Originally posted by hbunch7187:

Originally posted by doctornick:
BTW anyone know the answer to that question below? ;-)

which question?

When you choke a smurf what colour does it turn to? ;)

Message edited by author 2004-05-06 12:36:59.

05/06/2004 12:40:56 PM · #47

Originally posted by KarenB:

Originally posted by melismatica:
Should I post a copy of my daughter's birth certificate? The date on my camera was set to 1999, my daughter was 9 years old then. She is quite clearly not nine years old in this photo.

Camera dates must be checked at the time of taking the photo.
Alternate proof is not accepted.

Oh brother! It is this kind of literal-mindedness that is keeping this stupid thread going. I was not actually suggesting submitting my daughter's birth certificate. What would that proof in a time-frame that only allows a few days? I was being sarcastic. This is something people do when they are irritated.

Since I feel quite sincerely that my character has been attacked I'm going to respond, in spite of the ageda it's causing me.

Once again, I will state, as clearly as possible. I am not challenging or disputing the DQ IN ANY WAY. I was DQd, I accepted it. I just wanted some feedback about my photo. Now, I don't even friggin' care. I just want people to stop questioning my character.

The hilarious thing about this, is people are responding as if I'm challenging the DQ when it reality, it was a mercy killing since my rating was at 3.8.

Kendan

Canon PowerShot S110

05/06/2004 12:41:41 PM · #48

Well here goes my first post;)

First of all all of you people bashing this guy should go back and read the thread over. Because he stated that he submitted it before he found out the date was wrong. Then when he was stating about forgetting to check in the future he was making a joke about a personal problem he has. I just can not believe the fercity with which you are attacking him without even the decency to read what he wrote. You are just assmuning he took the picture and found out the date was wrong and then submitted it. Which is not what he said happened. I am sure he got the point you were trying to make but with the personal attacks you forced him to try and defend himself then the more he did the more you guys attacked him. You should be ahsamed of yourselves. Now can you guys go back to what you do which is take pictures and help people get better at taking pictures. I suggest you start a new thread with the picture you want comments on because you are not going to get it in this thread:(