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03/24/2009 04:52:49 PM · #1			 | 
		
		| So today's my birthday and I'm thinking about giving myself a present.  :)  I've been really wanting a good telephoto zoom (as of now the only two lenses in my arsenal are the 100mm f/2.8 macro and the 18-55 IS kit), but being a poor and lowly student (and an already high credit card bill) I can't really afford the one I really truly want (which would be the 70-200 f/2.8 L -- about $1600 -- coupled preferably with the 24-70 f/2.8 L as well...which is about $1100).  Anyway, I've been looking around at some various sigmas (like the 70-300) and some EF-S lenses (but I'd rather not spend lots of money on those, as someday when I'm eventually making money I'd like to upgrade to a FF camera), but I can't seem to make a decision....  I'm thinking for a telephoto zoom I'd like IS, but at the same time a large aperture is also much coveted.....   Oh, I go 'round and 'round!!  Some kind soul please help!!!  :) |  
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03/24/2009 04:58:08 PM · #2			 | 
		
		| If you don't need zoom, the 200 f/2.8 L is pretty sweet. And they'll never pry my 70-200 f/4 L away from me. Both can be had in the $500-600 range. |  
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03/24/2009 04:59:58 PM · #3			 | 
		
		Originally posted by tryals15:   If you don't need zoom, the 200 f/2.8 L is pretty sweet. And they'll never pry my 70-200 f/4 L away from me. Both can be had in the $500-600 range.  |   
 
 Does the 70-200 f/4 have IS with it?  I think I seem to recall in my research there being one with (around $1100, I think?) and one without (around $500 or $600, I think).  Is that right?  And if the one you have doesn't have the IS, how does it do in indoor lighting for you? |  
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03/24/2009 05:03:16 PM · #4			 | 
		
		Yeah, no IS on the zoom. F/4 is definitely limiting indoors, but at half the price, I'm ok with that... For indoor stuff I have a 550ex that solves the problem 9/10 times.
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03/24/2009 05:10:48 PM · #5			 | 
		
		There are both IS and non-IS version of the 70-200 f/4 L. The non-IS is around $570, the IS goes for $1100.
 Remember that IS won't help for moving subjects (that is, people) whereas larger aperture will. At the 200mm end, however, you'll be challenged to be steady at 1/50s or so (the minimum in general for shooting people indoors). So if it comes down to a choice between IS and aperture, you've got a tough choice. 
 Personally I'd take IS and the smaller aperture, since you also get much lower weight.
 In any case, no matter your choice, the Canon L lenses will hold value very well, so if you eventually want to upgrade, you're not faced with taking a bath on resale. |  
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03/24/2009 05:24:17 PM · #6			 | 
		
		| Dont know if this will help or not, but I was at this point 2 weeks ago.. Took my camera to the local camera shop and did some test shots using the lenses I was thinking of getting. Tried out the Tameron 18-270mm (with VC for $600) and the Canon 70-200mm 2.8 (no IS- $1200). Looking at the pics at home on the computer, the Tameron was pretty close to the Canon in quality.. And may I add that I was taking pics at 1/6th of a sec (no tripod) and getting some niiiice shots. The V.C. worked real good.  Got the Canon cause of better quality pics, first L glass, and taxes came in. =) |  
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03/24/2009 05:49:40 PM · #7			 | 
		
		I guess I'm officially old.  My recommendation is to take the money you would have spent on a lens and pay your credit card bill down.  With an already high credit card bill, you can't afford not to pay it down.  I speak from the experience of having racked up (and paid off) around $30,000 in credit card debt.  It's something you want to avoid at all costs.
 
 Happy Birthday!
 
 Feel free to ignore my advice, have a great birthday, and sorry if I read too much into that little statement of yours.  As far as lenses go, I highly recommend the Tamron SP AF 28-75mm f/2.8 XR Di for Canon.  It's on the short end, of course, but a fantastic lens to have instead of the Canon 24-70L. |  
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03/24/2009 11:35:01 PM · #8			 | 
		
		| We have the same birthday! |  
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03/26/2009 12:02:02 AM · #9			 | 
		
		Originally posted by freakin_hilarious:   I guess I'm officially old.  My recommendation is to take the money you would have spent on a lens and pay your credit card bill down.  With an already high credit card bill, you can't afford not to pay it down.  I speak from the experience of having racked up (and paid off) around $30,000 in credit card debt.  It's something you want to avoid at all costs.
 
 Happy Birthday!
 
 Feel free to ignore my advice, have a great birthday, and sorry if I read too much into that little statement of yours.  As far as lenses go, I highly recommend the Tamron SP AF 28-75mm f/2.8 XR Di for Canon.  It's on the short end, of course, but a fantastic lens to have instead of the Canon 24-70L.  |   
 
 haha, no you're right of course!  I really ought to just pay it off instead....  ::sigh::  Thank you for the birthday wishes, though! |  
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03/26/2009 12:02:16 AM · #10			 | 
		
		Originally posted by Anti-Martyr:   We have the same birthday!  |   
 
 Happy (belated) Birthday to you!  :D |  
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03/26/2009 12:05:48 AM · #11			 | 
		
		Originally posted by PBJ:   Dont know if this will help or not, but I was at this point 2 weeks ago.. Took my camera to the local camera shop and did some test shots using the lenses I was thinking of getting. Tried out the Tameron 18-270mm (with VC for $600) and the Canon 70-200mm 2.8 (no IS- $1200). Looking at the pics at home on the computer, the Tameron was pretty close to the Canon in quality.. And may I add that I was taking pics at 1/6th of a sec (no tripod) and getting some niiiice shots. The V.C. worked real good.  Got the Canon cause of better quality pics, first L glass, and taxes came in. =)  |   
 
 Wow, 18-270mm!  That's quite the range to have on one lens!  :)  So how are you liking the 70-200 now that you own it? |  
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03/26/2009 12:09:54 AM · #12			 | 
		
		Originally posted by kirbic:   There are both IS and non-IS version of the 70-200 f/4 L. The non-IS is around $570, the IS goes for $1100.
 Remember that IS won't help for moving subjects (that is, people) whereas larger aperture will. At the 200mm end, however, you'll be challenged to be steady at 1/50s or so (the minimum in general for shooting people indoors). So if it comes down to a choice between IS and aperture, you've got a tough choice. 
 Personally I'd take IS and the smaller aperture, since you also get much lower weight.
 In any case, no matter your choice, the Canon L lenses will hold value very well, so if you eventually want to upgrade, you're not faced with taking a bath on resale.  |   
 
 Thanks for the advice!  :)  I see that you own quite a few of my dream lenses (the 15mm fisheye, the 50mm f/1.4, the 24-70 f/2.8 and the 70-200 f/2.8....  ::sigh::)!!  Someday, someday.....!  Since the IS version of the 70-200 f/4 is already $1100, though, maybe I will just wait until I'm making some money (I do graduate in May, after all) to get the 70-200 f/2.8 for about $500 more. |  
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03/26/2009 12:12:04 AM · #13			 | 
		
		Originally posted by tryals15:   Yeah, no IS on the zoom. F/4 is definitely limiting indoors, but at half the price, I'm ok with that... For indoor stuff I have a 550ex that solves the problem 9/10 times.  |   
 
 I just recently got myself a 430 ex II (it was technically free, as I cashed in all my racked up credit card rewards points for it!!  haha), so maybe I no longer need to be as worried about my lenses needing to be crazy fast to freeze all that motion blur! |  
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