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02/08/2009 07:45:22 PM · #26 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
To me, this thread borders on the surreal (or is it schizophrenic?):
Here we have a community that leaps up and down with howls of righteous outrage every time some deluded fool out there on the net is seen to have appropriated one of our images for their own use. I mean, collectively we are REALLY hard on these people, y'all know that.
Now here's a thread where we are responding with outrage to the idea that some artists exhibiting their works are aware of a real, actual, thriving piracy ring that takes digital images of their most interesting pictures and sends them to china to be reproduced by factory painters who get paid pennies a day, claiming that *our* right to copy their work cannot be abridged as long as we are standing in a public place?
Lawd have mercy, this is beyond absurd, in my worldview at least.
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I really don't think that anyone here is defending the right of a pirate to come in, take a photo specifically of a piece of art, and run off to have it copied.
Rather, I think the issue at hand is that the website the OP presented comes across as very over-the-top, and people are arguing against having some wacko vendor come up and give them a hard time when they are not taking suspicious or inappropriate photos. Photographers simply don't want to see themselves chased away from another public venue just because there is the possibility that someone out there might be there for illegal reasons.
And I further think that many of us feel that the possibility of a wacko vendor isn't that far fetched. Given the rampant paranoia of the times, photographers are already finding themselves under attack. This comes across as one more instance of it.
Obviously art show vendors shouldn't have their goods photographed so that they can be reproduced and sold commercially by some cheap Chinese factory. But telling all photographers that they can no longer take pictures in this public venue is paranoid - it'd be the same as us here at DPC saying that our images get stolen, so no one who isn't a background-checked member can view the site.
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02/08/2009 07:45:41 PM · #27 |
Originally posted by littlegett:
Ya know what really pissed me off most. It is the Complete Lack of respect people in todays society have.
I mean seriously, you come here to bitch and moan and 'find ways' to thawrt the evil of an artist asking for no pictures. If you think the artist doesn't have a right you are a fool, in my opinion.
Have a little respect. Seriously, why is it you have to find ways to screw over everyone? Ya know, I am all for photographer rights, and have been confronted many times because of ignorant people. But ya know, if someone simple came up to me, had the balls to respect me like a person and ask me to stop. That would have been it. No confrontation, no nuffin. If an Artist asked you not to take photographs, than don't.
However have the same token not to complain about it, because you have no rights to complain. Really, what picture are you missing out on? None.
Such a lack of respect... guess thats another of the many reasons I am leaving this website and most likely photography. People suck. |
You're missing the point entirely.
I'm sick and tired of people telling me where I cannot take pictures just because THEY decide they don't want me to.
It has nothing to do with respecting others' rights, it's about this alarming trend that people seem to think that they can tell me when and where, and of what I can take pictures.
I don't photograph people's work, I don't shoot people and/or their kids without their permission, I do shoot in very open public places, yet I have people, who I don't know, who aren't in any way entitled to give me their opinions, walk up to me and tell me I can't shoot this or that.
I've even gotten hassled because I took my camera into a store under my arm 'cause I didn't feel like letting $1500 worth of equipment sitting in my car.
People need to respect our rights as well, and learn a thing or two before they walk up to me and tell me what I can or cannot do.
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02/08/2009 07:55:51 PM · #28 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Here we have a community that leaps up and down with howls of righteous outrage every time some deluded fool out there on the net is seen to have appropriated one of our images for their own use. I mean, collectively we are REALLY hard on these people, y'all know that. |
Most of us that have been involved in said discussions have also realized that there's little or nothing we can do about it.
Is there a one among us that hasn't heard, and understood, the mantra: "Don't want your work stolen? Don't put it up on the 'Net."
Yet all of a sudden these people are suggesting that the proper way to deal with their problem is to come up and grab our camera?
Yeah.......THAT'S respectful of OUR rights! They better damn well be careful who they accost and what the circumstances are or they'll find themselves explaining their actions to the authorities.
I'd really be surprised if these so-called factories are going to such stupid lengths to steal designs. It would be so much simpler, and draw less attention to simply buy an object and take it back & replicate it.
I seriously doubt that the stuff that's supposedly getting ripped off photographically is worth the hassle and expense of paying someone to go out, photograph their stuff, and then return to download it and send it out.
It sounds just a little paranoid to me.......with the result being that these people want to limit our rights because of their paranoia.
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02/08/2009 08:10:09 PM · #29 |
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
You're missing the point entirely.
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NO, You are missing the point.
Just because you are in a 'public' venue doesn't give you the right. You want to argue legalities about it, be the asshole. Thats your choice. But the more assholes there are out there disrespecting people the more everyone's rights get chipped away.
If you are anywhere near another person, you have to respect the rights of that person. If they simple request that you do not shoot them, or their belongings respect the individual.
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Now, say the individual tried to tell you that you can not shoot the event, thats when you say thank you, very politely, than you find the event promoter and get 'your' rights from the horses mouth. As well as have the promoter inform the booth owners of those rights.
Its stupid to come running to a website to bitch about it. While complaining that your poor sensibilities are the ones hurt. You are not the victim here.
There is a fine line here and both sides are crossing it and making it worse for everyone.
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02/08/2009 08:22:50 PM · #30 |
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
You're missing the point entirely. |
Originally posted by littlegett:
NO, You are missing the point.
Just because you are in a 'public' venue doesn't give you the right. You want to argue legalities about it, be the asshole. Thats your choice. But the more assholes there are out there disrespecting people the more everyone's rights get chipped away.
If you are anywhere near another person, you have to respect the rights of that person. If they simple request that you do not shoot them, or their belongings respect the individual. |
Gee, so nice of you to selectively eviscerate my post and call me an asshole.
I said: "I don't photograph people's work, I don't shoot people and/or their kids without their permission, I do shoot in very open public places, yet I have people, who I don't know, who aren't in any way entitled to give me their opinions, walk up to me and tell me I can't shoot this or that. "
And like it or not, if you're out on a public street, or in a public venue, you CAN have your picture taken and not do anything about it. And it does have to do with rights on BOTH sides of the issue.
Actually, it was a discussion.....you were pretty much the only one bitching and throwing a hissy.
Originally posted by littlegett:
Now, say the individual tried to tell you that you can not shoot the event, thats when you say thank you, very politely, than you find the event promoter and get 'your' rights from the horses mouth. As well as have the promoter inform the booth owners of those rights.
Its stupid to come running to a website to bitch about it. While complaining that your poor sensibilities are the ones hurt. You are not the victim here.
There is a fine line here and both sides are crossing it and making it worse for everyone. |
The point WAS that these people are pretty much trying to restrict our rights without legitimate basis.....if you can't see that, well......you're not looking at the ramifications of what that site has all over it.
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02/08/2009 08:28:24 PM · #31 |
Originally posted by littlegett:
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
You're missing the point entirely.
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NO, You are missing the point.
Just because you are in a 'public' venue doesn't give you the right. You want to argue legalities about it, be the asshole. Thats your choice. But the more assholes there are out there disrespecting people the more everyone's rights get chipped away.
If you are anywhere near another person, you have to respect the rights of that person. If they simple request that you do not shoot them, or their belongings respect the individual.
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Now, say the individual tried to tell you that you can not shoot the event, thats when you say thank you, very politely, than you find the event promoter and get 'your' rights from the horses mouth. As well as have the promoter inform the booth owners of those rights.
Its stupid to come running to a website to bitch about it. While complaining that your poor sensibilities are the ones hurt. You are not the victim here.
There is a fine line here and both sides are crossing it and making it worse for everyone. |
If conducting oneself in accordance the law makes one an asshole; so be it. I'm an asshole.
In my opinion, the asshole is the one grabbing my camera out of my hand.
Message edited by author 2009-02-08 20:29:18. |
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02/08/2009 08:32:46 PM · #32 |
I read several them jumped to the end, so if i missed this already being posted sorry.
In new orleans they have many who sit outide jackson square and paint amazing pictures and are very quick to tell you not to take pictures. I don't know the legal grounds I do know I got screamed at once or twice a few years ago for taking a pic with a camera phone to send to someone in texas to see if they liked it cause I was going to buy it.. needless to say I did not give the woman a penny, even when I showed her the text that started with " hey your b-day is coming up like this? it would go great on your wall"
but they put a string now in fornt of each one putting a "line" across the painting i guess so you can't copy and print I dunno. |
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02/08/2009 08:33:54 PM · #33 |
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Originally posted by littlegett:
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
You're missing the point entirely.
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NO, You are missing the point.
Just because you are in a 'public' venue doesn't give you the right. You want to argue legalities about it, be the asshole. Thats your choice. But the more assholes there are out there disrespecting people the more everyone's rights get chipped away.
If you are anywhere near another person, you have to respect the rights of that person. If they simple request that you do not shoot them, or their belongings respect the individual.
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Now, say the individual tried to tell you that you can not shoot the event, thats when you say thank you, very politely, than you find the event promoter and get 'your' rights from the horses mouth. As well as have the promoter inform the booth owners of those rights.
Its stupid to come running to a website to bitch about it. While complaining that your poor sensibilities are the ones hurt. You are not the victim here.
There is a fine line here and both sides are crossing it and making it worse for everyone. |
If conducting oneself in accordance the law makes one an asshole; so be it. I'm an asshole.
In my opinion, the asshole is the one grabbing my camera out of my hand. |
Grabbing the camera is one thing. Disregarding the request not to shoot is another. How each conducts themselves will dictate how the scenario plays out. |
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02/08/2009 08:44:52 PM · #34 |
Originally posted by cpanaioti:
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Originally posted by littlegett:
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
You're missing the point entirely.
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NO, You are missing the point.
Just because you are in a 'public' venue doesn't give you the right. You want to argue legalities about it, be the asshole. Thats your choice. But the more assholes there are out there disrespecting people the more everyone's rights get chipped away.
If you are anywhere near another person, you have to respect the rights of that person. If they simple request that you do not shoot them, or their belongings respect the individual.
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Now, say the individual tried to tell you that you can not shoot the event, thats when you say thank you, very politely, than you find the event promoter and get 'your' rights from the horses mouth. As well as have the promoter inform the booth owners of those rights.
Its stupid to come running to a website to bitch about it. While complaining that your poor sensibilities are the ones hurt. You are not the victim here.
There is a fine line here and both sides are crossing it and making it worse for everyone. |
If conducting oneself in accordance the law makes one an asshole; so be it. I'm an asshole.
In my opinion, the asshole is the one grabbing my camera out of my hand. |
Grabbing the camera is one thing. Disregarding the request not to shoot is another. How each conducts themselves will dictate how the scenario plays out. |
Again, they can make the request, but in a public space, there's no legal obligation to comply with it, regardless of how nice they ask, regardless of the line of BS being fed to artists by that website.
Message edited by author 2009-02-08 20:45:55. |
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02/08/2009 08:45:47 PM · #35 |
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Originally posted by littlegett:
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
You're missing the point entirely.
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NO, You are missing the point.
Just because you are in a 'public' venue doesn't give you the right. You want to argue legalities about it, be the asshole. Thats your choice. But the more assholes there are out there disrespecting people the more everyone's rights get chipped away.
If you are anywhere near another person, you have to respect the rights of that person. If they simple request that you do not shoot them, or their belongings respect the individual.
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Now, say the individual tried to tell you that you can not shoot the event, thats when you say thank you, very politely, than you find the event promoter and get 'your' rights from the horses mouth. As well as have the promoter inform the booth owners of those rights.
Its stupid to come running to a website to bitch about it. While complaining that your poor sensibilities are the ones hurt. You are not the victim here.
There is a fine line here and both sides are crossing it and making it worse for everyone. |
If conducting oneself in accordance the law makes one an asshole; so be it. I'm an asshole.
In my opinion, the asshole is the one grabbing my camera out of my hand. |
This is my point, just because it is 'Legal' doesn't mean it is right. That is what I mean by being the asshole. By sitting there arguing and enforcing your LEGAL right to photograph in a public area. When at the same time you are stripping away the rights of the individual. The respect I was talking about.
It is people like these, the 'legal' enforcers who believe they have to tell everyone of their rights and ignore the ones of everyone else, it is because of these people that I do not shoot in public anymore. To many confrontations of stupid people. Most likely pissed because someone else was enforcing their rights, and I stick out like a sore thumb so they pick on me. yet, they don't have the balls to come up to me themselves they have to call the men in blue.
So ya know what, I could care less about what the law is. What is legal and what is not. If someone asks you to stop shooting their stuff, you should have enough respect and common courtesy to stop. Not argue with the person or bitch about it to others. Just walk away. Be the bigger man, but it seems there are none left.
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02/08/2009 08:51:10 PM · #36 |
Originally posted by littlegett:
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Originally posted by littlegett:
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
You're missing the point entirely.
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NO, You are missing the point.
Just because you are in a 'public' venue doesn't give you the right. You want to argue legalities about it, be the asshole. Thats your choice. But the more assholes there are out there disrespecting people the more everyone's rights get chipped away.
If you are anywhere near another person, you have to respect the rights of that person. If they simple request that you do not shoot them, or their belongings respect the individual.
-----
Now, say the individual tried to tell you that you can not shoot the event, thats when you say thank you, very politely, than you find the event promoter and get 'your' rights from the horses mouth. As well as have the promoter inform the booth owners of those rights.
Its stupid to come running to a website to bitch about it. While complaining that your poor sensibilities are the ones hurt. You are not the victim here.
There is a fine line here and both sides are crossing it and making it worse for everyone. |
If conducting oneself in accordance the law makes one an asshole; so be it. I'm an asshole.
In my opinion, the asshole is the one grabbing my camera out of my hand. |
This is my point, just because it is 'Legal' doesn't mean it is right. That is what I mean by being the asshole. By sitting there arguing and enforcing your LEGAL right to photograph in a public area. When at the same time you are stripping away the rights of the individual. The respect I was talking about.
It is people like these, the 'legal' enforcers who believe they have to tell everyone of their rights and ignore the ones of everyone else, it is because of these people that I do not shoot in public anymore. To many confrontations of stupid people. Most likely pissed because someone else was enforcing their rights, and I stick out like a sore thumb so they pick on me. yet, they don't have the balls to come up to me themselves they have to call the men in blue.
So ya know what, I could care less about what the law is. What is legal and what is not. If someone asks you to stop shooting their stuff, you should have enough respect and common courtesy to stop. Not argue with the person or bitch about it to others. Just walk away. Be the bigger man, but it seems there are none left. |
You talk about someone with a camera "stripping away the rights of the individual". Exactly what rights are you talking about? If you don't want you or your stuff to be photographed, stay at home, keep your stuff at home. But don't go out and presume that everyone who takes a picture is up to no good, or get your panties all in a bunch because they don't kow tow to your request.
Let me put this in really simply language: If you go out in public, you have NO expectation of privacy. There is no right there for someone with a camera to strip away. |
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02/08/2009 08:51:12 PM · #37 |
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Originally posted by cpanaioti:
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Originally posted by littlegett:
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
You're missing the point entirely.
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NO, You are missing the point.
Just because you are in a 'public' venue doesn't give you the right. You want to argue legalities about it, be the asshole. Thats your choice. But the more assholes there are out there disrespecting people the more everyone's rights get chipped away.
If you are anywhere near another person, you have to respect the rights of that person. If they simple request that you do not shoot them, or their belongings respect the individual.
-----
Now, say the individual tried to tell you that you can not shoot the event, thats when you say thank you, very politely, than you find the event promoter and get 'your' rights from the horses mouth. As well as have the promoter inform the booth owners of those rights.
Its stupid to come running to a website to bitch about it. While complaining that your poor sensibilities are the ones hurt. You are not the victim here.
There is a fine line here and both sides are crossing it and making it worse for everyone. |
If conducting oneself in accordance the law makes one an asshole; so be it. I'm an asshole.
In my opinion, the asshole is the one grabbing my camera out of my hand. |
Grabbing the camera is one thing. Disregarding the request not to shoot is another. How each conducts themselves will dictate how the scenario plays out. |
Again, they can make the request, but in a public space, there's no legal obligation to comply with it, regardless of how nice they ask, regardless of the line of BS being fed to artists by that website. |
By the time you finish arguing the shot you were trying to get is probably gone anyway. Light is fleeting.
Also, rather than just stating your right to shoot why not strike up a conversation and explain what you are trying to shoot? Where's the harm in talking rather than being confrontational? |
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02/08/2009 08:53:28 PM · #38 |
Originally posted by cpanaioti:
Grabbing the camera is one thing. Disregarding the request not to shoot is another. How each conducts themselves will dictate how the scenario plays out. |
The issue here is that people want to ask you to do, or not do, something they have NO legal grounds to do.
WHY is this deemed reasonable?
It's not so simple as disregarding a request and making that sound so unpleasant, then projecting your disapproval on it.
Again, the OP didn't say that he was taking pictures, he merely questioned the veracity, and legality, of a rather intrusive trend, that as far as quite a few of us here can tell, has no legal bounds.
Why is it that it has suddenly become an issue of unruly photographers flouting common decency?
If someone walks up to you in a public place and tells you to go away simply because they decided that you should leave, should you?
How about if we talk about the actual issue and leave opinions about behavior not mentioned out of it?
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02/08/2009 08:53:37 PM · #39 |
Originally posted by cpanaioti:
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Originally posted by cpanaioti:
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Originally posted by littlegett:
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
You're missing the point entirely.
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NO, You are missing the point.
Just because you are in a 'public' venue doesn't give you the right. You want to argue legalities about it, be the asshole. Thats your choice. But the more assholes there are out there disrespecting people the more everyone's rights get chipped away.
If you are anywhere near another person, you have to respect the rights of that person. If they simple request that you do not shoot them, or their belongings respect the individual.
-----
Now, say the individual tried to tell you that you can not shoot the event, thats when you say thank you, very politely, than you find the event promoter and get 'your' rights from the horses mouth. As well as have the promoter inform the booth owners of those rights.
Its stupid to come running to a website to bitch about it. While complaining that your poor sensibilities are the ones hurt. You are not the victim here.
There is a fine line here and both sides are crossing it and making it worse for everyone. |
If conducting oneself in accordance the law makes one an asshole; so be it. I'm an asshole.
In my opinion, the asshole is the one grabbing my camera out of my hand. |
Grabbing the camera is one thing. Disregarding the request not to shoot is another. How each conducts themselves will dictate how the scenario plays out. |
Again, they can make the request, but in a public space, there's no legal obligation to comply with it, regardless of how nice they ask, regardless of the line of BS being fed to artists by that website. |
By the time you finish arguing the shot you were trying to get is probably gone anyway. Light is fleeting.
Also, rather than just stating your right to shoot why not strike up a conversation and explain what you are trying to shoot? Where's the harm in talking rather than being confrontational? |
Because, by then, the moment is gone. They'll pose for the camera instead of appearing natural. Their awareness of the camera ruins the moment.
Message edited by author 2009-02-08 20:54:27. |
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02/08/2009 08:55:08 PM · #40 |
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Originally posted by cpanaioti:
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Originally posted by cpanaioti:
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Originally posted by littlegett:
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
You're missing the point entirely.
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NO, You are missing the point.
Just because you are in a 'public' venue doesn't give you the right. You want to argue legalities about it, be the asshole. Thats your choice. But the more assholes there are out there disrespecting people the more everyone's rights get chipped away.
If you are anywhere near another person, you have to respect the rights of that person. If they simple request that you do not shoot them, or their belongings respect the individual.
-----
Now, say the individual tried to tell you that you can not shoot the event, thats when you say thank you, very politely, than you find the event promoter and get 'your' rights from the horses mouth. As well as have the promoter inform the booth owners of those rights.
Its stupid to come running to a website to bitch about it. While complaining that your poor sensibilities are the ones hurt. You are not the victim here.
There is a fine line here and both sides are crossing it and making it worse for everyone. |
If conducting oneself in accordance the law makes one an asshole; so be it. I'm an asshole.
In my opinion, the asshole is the one grabbing my camera out of my hand. |
Grabbing the camera is one thing. Disregarding the request not to shoot is another. How each conducts themselves will dictate how the scenario plays out. |
Again, they can make the request, but in a public space, there's no legal obligation to comply with it, regardless of how nice they ask, regardless of the line of BS being fed to artists by that website. |
By the time you finish arguing the shot you were trying to get is probably gone anyway. Light is fleeting.
Also, rather than just stating your right to shoot why not strike up a conversation and explain what you are trying to shoot? Where's the harm in talking rather than being confrontational? |
Because, by then, the moment is gone. They'll pose for the camera instead of appearing natural. |
The moment's gone either way since you've either started an argument or a conversation. |
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02/08/2009 08:56:12 PM · #41 |
Originally posted by cpanaioti:
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Originally posted by cpanaioti:
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Originally posted by cpanaioti:
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Originally posted by littlegett:
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
You're missing the point entirely.
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NO, You are missing the point.
Just because you are in a 'public' venue doesn't give you the right. You want to argue legalities about it, be the asshole. Thats your choice. But the more assholes there are out there disrespecting people the more everyone's rights get chipped away.
If you are anywhere near another person, you have to respect the rights of that person. If they simple request that you do not shoot them, or their belongings respect the individual.
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Now, say the individual tried to tell you that you can not shoot the event, thats when you say thank you, very politely, than you find the event promoter and get 'your' rights from the horses mouth. As well as have the promoter inform the booth owners of those rights.
Its stupid to come running to a website to bitch about it. While complaining that your poor sensibilities are the ones hurt. You are not the victim here.
There is a fine line here and both sides are crossing it and making it worse for everyone. |
If conducting oneself in accordance the law makes one an asshole; so be it. I'm an asshole.
In my opinion, the asshole is the one grabbing my camera out of my hand. |
Grabbing the camera is one thing. Disregarding the request not to shoot is another. How each conducts themselves will dictate how the scenario plays out. |
Again, they can make the request, but in a public space, there's no legal obligation to comply with it, regardless of how nice they ask, regardless of the line of BS being fed to artists by that website. |
By the time you finish arguing the shot you were trying to get is probably gone anyway. Light is fleeting.
Also, rather than just stating your right to shoot why not strike up a conversation and explain what you are trying to shoot? Where's the harm in talking rather than being confrontational? |
Because, by then, the moment is gone. They'll pose for the camera instead of appearing natural. |
The moment's gone either way since you've either started an argument or a conversation. |
But if I ask first, the image will never be, if I shoot first, I'll at least have the image. |
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02/08/2009 08:57:56 PM · #42 |
Originally posted by littlegett:
This is my point, just because it is 'Legal' doesn't mean it is right. That is what I mean by being the asshole. By sitting there arguing and enforcing your LEGAL right to photograph in a public area. When at the same time you are stripping away the rights of the individual. The respect I was talking about.
It is people like these, the 'legal' enforcers who believe they have to tell everyone of their rights and ignore the ones of everyone else, it is because of these people that I do not shoot in public anymore. To many confrontations of stupid people. Most likely pissed because someone else was enforcing their rights, and I stick out like a sore thumb so they pick on me. yet, they don't have the balls to come up to me themselves they have to call the men in blue.
So ya know what, I could care less about what the law is. What is legal and what is not. If someone asks you to stop shooting their stuff, you should have enough respect and common courtesy to stop. Not argue with the person or bitch about it to others. Just walk away. Be the bigger man, but it seems there are none left. |
Go back and read the original post, PLEASE!
No confrontation is being argued here.....the invasiveness of this website on the rights of people in a public place IS!
You talk about people hassling you, but you do NOT know that they've had an issue. It could be that whole thing where people seem to think they can just walk up to anyone with a camera and tell them what to do.
Trust me, I've gotten to the point with some of these people where I've reached into my pocket, pulled out my cell phone, and in a normal tone of voice told them to either call the police and we'll discuss it, or they can go away.
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02/08/2009 09:00:18 PM · #43 |
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
Originally posted by littlegett:
This is my point, just because it is 'Legal' doesn't mean it is right. That is what I mean by being the asshole. By sitting there arguing and enforcing your LEGAL right to photograph in a public area. When at the same time you are stripping away the rights of the individual. The respect I was talking about.
It is people like these, the 'legal' enforcers who believe they have to tell everyone of their rights and ignore the ones of everyone else, it is because of these people that I do not shoot in public anymore. To many confrontations of stupid people. Most likely pissed because someone else was enforcing their rights, and I stick out like a sore thumb so they pick on me. yet, they don't have the balls to come up to me themselves they have to call the men in blue.
So ya know what, I could care less about what the law is. What is legal and what is not. If someone asks you to stop shooting their stuff, you should have enough respect and common courtesy to stop. Not argue with the person or bitch about it to others. Just walk away. Be the bigger man, but it seems there are none left. |
Go back and read the original post, PLEASE!
No confrontation is being argued here.....the invasiveness of this website on the rights of people in a public place IS!
You talk about people hassling you, but you do NOT know that they've had an issue. It could be that whole thing where people seem to think they can just walk up to anyone with a camera and tell them what to do.
Trust me, I've gotten to the point with some of these people where I've reached into my pocket, pulled out my cell phone, and in a normal tone of voice told them to either call the police and we'll discuss it, or they can go away. |
Does a person in public have the right to ask someone to not photograph. Yes.
Does the photographer have to comply, legally? (public view). No.
Is it right? your choice.
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02/08/2009 09:02:16 PM · #44 |
Originally posted by cpanaioti:
Where's the harm in talking rather than being confrontational? |
Hey, there's a thought! How about if someone DOESN'T walk up to you in a public place and interrupt what you're doing to confront you with their point of view?
You know, minds THEIR business instead of yours?
What a concept, huh?
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02/08/2009 09:06:49 PM · #45 |
Originally posted by littlegett:
Does a person in public have the right to ask someone to not photograph. Yes.
Does the photographer have to comply, legally? (public view). No.
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This is true, otherwise celebs would never get papped.
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02/08/2009 09:06:58 PM · #46 |
Originally posted by littlegett:
Does a person in public have the right to ask someone to not photograph. Yes. |
So does that make it right? Or just legal?
Why is someone's right in public to ask me not to take their permission any more right than my right to say no?
AGAIN.....this is NOT a case of an actual confrontation, nobody disregarded anyone's wishes, it's a discussion about the veracity of the whole approach of this website and their position on photography.
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02/08/2009 09:10:55 PM · #47 |
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
Originally posted by cpanaioti:
Where's the harm in talking rather than being confrontational? |
Hey, there's a thought! How about if someone DOESN'T walk up to you in a public place and interrupt what you're doing to confront you with their point of view?
You know, minds THEIR business instead of yours?
What a concept, huh? |
Where's the harm in talking? |
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02/08/2009 09:17:17 PM · #48 |
Originally posted by cpanaioti:
Where's the harm in talking rather than being confrontational? |
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
Hey, there's a thought! How about if someone DOESN'T walk up to you in a public place and interrupt what you're doing to confront you with their point of view?
You know, minds THEIR business instead of yours?
What a concept, huh? |
Originally posted by cpanaioti:
Where's the harm in talking? |
None, to my knowledge.
And if someone walks up to me and asks what I'm doing, I'd talk to them, even going under the ludicrous assumption that it was a mystery what I was doing with the camera.
I really don't have problems most of the time. I'm pretty careful to know what's not a good idea to do, and in many cases, I've been granted access to places simply because I went up and asked.
What I object to is someone walking up to me in a situation where I KNOW I'm doing nothing wrong and ORDERING me to stop.
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02/08/2009 09:35:21 PM · #49 |
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
Originally posted by cpanaioti:
Where's the harm in talking rather than being confrontational? |
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
Hey, there's a thought! How about if someone DOESN'T walk up to you in a public place and interrupt what you're doing to confront you with their point of view?
You know, minds THEIR business instead of yours?
What a concept, huh? |
Originally posted by cpanaioti:
Where's the harm in talking? |
None, to my knowledge.
And if someone walks up to me and asks what I'm doing, I'd talk to them, even going under the ludicrous assumption that it was a mystery what I was doing with the camera.
I really don't have problems most of the time. I'm pretty careful to know what's not a good idea to do, and in many cases, I've been granted access to places simply because I went up and asked.
What I object to is someone walking up to me in a situation where I KNOW I'm doing nothing wrong and ORDERING me to stop. |
Yes, a lot depends on the tone used by the person walking up to you. You can usually tell who you can talk to and who is on some power trip.
... and what you're doing isn't obvious. Sure you're taking pictures but of what and why? Noone can tell what your vision is just because you've got a camera mounted on a tripod.
Message edited by author 2009-02-08 21:36:51. |
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02/08/2009 09:50:32 PM · #50 |
Originally posted by cpanaioti:
Yes, a lot depends on the tone used by the person walking up to you. You can usually tell who you can talk to and who is on some power trip.
... and what you're doing isn't obvious. Sure you're taking pictures but of what and why? Noone can tell what your vision is just because you've got a camera mounted on a tripod. |
Which kind of brings us full circle.......8>)
That whole power trip thing.....what makes some people think they can just walk up to you and demand to know what you're doing?
Or worse, demand that you stop, especially if you don't happen to be doing anything wrong, but their power trip makes them think they can.
In that case, it doesn't matter what and why, it's none of their business.
I've had that happen once or twice when I had specific permission and the powers-that-be just screwed up and didn't interrupt their entire day to make sure some underling was in the loop.
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