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 04/30/2004 11:49:06 AM · #26
I would expect you would need a model release to sell stock photos of people, right?
 04/30/2004 12:05:07 PM · #27
Originally posted by mirdonamy:
I would expect you would need a model release to sell stock photos of people, right?


Absolutely.
 04/30/2004 12:40:00 PM · #28
What kinds of permissions/releases do we need for stock photos that contain a building? Does it matter if it is a well known building?

Thanks
Bill M.
 04/30/2004 12:58:09 PM · #29
If an image is listed as a royalty free image with one agency, can it be listed as 'right protected' with another agency.
 04/30/2004 03:42:08 PM · #30
Originally posted by dreamstime:
As for the investment believe me that the site requires a lot of human and hardware resources and a lot of investment has also been made.


A lot of the photographers on this site have quite a bit invested in their equipment also.

I'm not against selling stock photos or the royalty free concept of marketing, but can anyone make a living at fifty cents a pop, or even pay for a decent digicam? And do serious buyers go into the market looking to buy quality photos for a buck? The concept is interesting but why not something like $5, $10 and $25 prices; with the breakpoints at something like 10, 25, and 100 sales?

The pricing structure on this site will not inspire too many serious photographers to enter the stock market, more likely will attract newbies and snapshooters.
 04/30/2004 05:16:23 PM · #31
Originally posted by jodiecoston:
Awww... Geez. I shoulda mentioned PEOPLE, too. :) People are huge sellers.

Thank you ... an excellent summary. At this point, I have no objection to getting even small checks in the mail, and I'll check into this further.
 04/30/2004 05:18:44 PM · #32
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by jodiecoston:
Awww... Geez. I shoulda mentioned PEOPLE, too. :) People are huge sellers.

Thank you ... an excellent summary. At this point, I have no objection to getting even small checks in the mail, and I'll check into this further.


Definitely better then sending large checks out :P
 04/30/2004 05:20:52 PM · #33
Originally posted by faidoi:
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by jodiecoston:
Awww... Geez. I shoulda mentioned PEOPLE, too. :) People are huge sellers.

Thank you ... an excellent summary. At this point, I have no objection to getting even small checks in the mail, and I'll check into this further.


Definitely better then sending large checks out :P

That was yesterday ... :(
 04/30/2004 05:40:53 PM · #34
even for a hobbist photographer 10, 25, 50, cents is not even worth the time to take the picture, photoshop it, upload it, and give rights a way to original copyrighted or art images!

Promises, promises! Just starting but will it prosper and change and make more later........wouldnt trust it!
 04/30/2004 05:51:33 PM · #35
Originally posted by jodiecoston:
Originally posted by mirdonamy:
I would expect you would need a model release to sell stock photos of people, right?

Absolutely.

Am I right in think you don't for newspapers/magazines? If so, is there a difference between stock photography and journalism?
 04/30/2004 05:59:58 PM · #36
Originally posted by PaulMdx:
Originally posted by jodiecoston:
Originally posted by mirdonamy:
I would expect you would need a model release to sell stock photos of people, right?

Absolutely.

Am I right in think you don't for newspapers/magazines? If so, is there a difference between stock photography and journalism?

Yes, journalism involves the distribution of newsworthy information, stock photography is used primarily to enhance commercial materials.

You could photograph someone being arrested and publish it without a release. You'd need a release to photograph the same person modeling jeans ...
 04/30/2004 06:14:55 PM · #37
Originally posted by GeneralE:
You could photograph someone being arrested and publish it without a release. You'd need a release to photograph the same person modeling jeans ...


That's not quite true. The need for a release generally keys from the use of the image, not its content.

If, for example, a law office used that photograph of the person being arrested as in an advertisement for their legal services, that would be a commercial purpose, and use of the photograph would require model releases. Likewise, if the photograph of the person modeling jeans were used in a newspaper or magazine article about the fashion show at which they were being modeled, no such release would be required.

-Terry
 04/30/2004 06:21:50 PM · #38
And then there's the in-between, where the arrest photo is published in the newspaper, and then either the paper or the photographer sells prints.
 04/30/2004 07:52:47 PM · #39
Originally posted by crabappl3:
I got a nice email from //www.dreamstime.com/ stating they had seen my portfolio and would like for me to join their young startup stock photography site. After looking it over, seems the photographer gets 50% from the sale of the images. The images are sold at a real low cost, so I'm wondering if it's worth my time to pursue. Has anyone here had any dealings with this company, or other stock photography sites that work under the same type of payment plan? And if so, how was your experience with them?

Thanks!


i have done this with exactly same format, was very fun educational but not too profitable. It was for high dollar shoots $400-$4000 and almost got one once...they weren't all that helpful but would like to try again with another site similar good luck

Message edited by author 2004-04-30 20:10:52.
 05/18/2004 06:14:35 PM · #40
I am a member at IStockPhoto.com and at Dreamstime.comat IstockPhoto I have made $154.00 US since Feb 2004 and I just joined Dreamstime and have $5.50 made....I love it!
 06/04/2004 10:37:36 AM · #41
I got Feature Photography at Deamstime this week...That site is really starting to pick up...I have $13.00 made now...
 11/01/2004 06:15:29 AM · #42
I'm new to dpchallenge, but I'm not new to stock. My husband and I have been into stock for over two decades. He recently wrote a history on stock photography (covering the last decade), that I think members of this forum would find very interesting. It also compares istockphoto.com, Dreamstime.com, CanStockPhoto.com and ShutterStock.com; and why one might want to consider them --even if you're a professional photographer. The article also covers Alamy.com, Photos.com, Corbis.com, GettyImages.com and Comstock.com:

//www.inkjetart.com/news/archive/IJN_10-28-04.html#5

My husband is currently a consultant for Inkjetart.com. He writes a monthly newsletter for them, and this is the article he wrote for them this month.
 11/01/2004 06:33:29 AM · #43
Originally posted by jodiecoston:
Go with what you're best at. If you want to see what's really marketable, go to a site like gettyimages.com, click on their "catalogs" page, and look at what they're promoting in their catalogs. That's where they put the images that they figure are most marketable, and since they're the experts, that's what I tend to study when I need some ideas. ***Just a note in case anyone reads that wrong, I'm obviously not recommending plagerizing anyone's work, I'm just suggesting a good reference point for image concepts and seeing what the overall market is like. :)


GettyImages as a source of inspiration is the best. I think this no1 site for stock photography. Of course the price is astronomical comparing to other stock-sites. Well, maybe it's good to test your capabilities for cheaper rates before approaching Getty? ;)

Message edited by author 2004-11-01 06:33:51.
 11/01/2004 07:01:35 AM · #44
To DreamTime Person:
im seriously considering joining this site - can i suggest to look more professional in the $$$ sense that you implement a professional section, where you place the best photos which are uploaded from the best photographers.

This way you can charge more $money$ for the professional photos - im sure this will lure more photographers to the site proving more profitable for both photographer and higher quality for the user if they elect to pay more

The prices as they are are good and should remain - im just suggesting a way in which more money can be made for all

The more something cost the better people think it is !!!

Thats just my idea - what does everyone else think?
 11/01/2004 08:11:15 AM · #45
Originally posted by saintnicholas_25:
The prices as they are are good and should remain - im just suggesting a way in which more money can be made for all

The more something cost the better people think it is !!!

Thats just my idea - what does everyone else think?


I have experimented (and my husband has interviewed a lot of other stock photographers in his research) with placing my images with royalty-free agencies that sell the hi-res version for about $200 (like alamy.com), and have uploaded the same images with the micro-payment agencies (like istock). The results show that if the traffic is there (as it is with iStock), you can make about the same money. It a numbers game. Each agency and pricing model attracts their own clientele. If the contract is not exclusive (and should not be under the R-F model), then the photographer should try to maximize his/her sales by selling the same image via as many distribution channels as possible.

You might ask: "Well, what if a client sees that they can buy the same image at a cheaper price somewhere else?" So what! Besides, each outlet has its own loyal clientele. Rarely do they cross. Exclusitivity is for the R-M market.

Linda
11/01/2004 09:31:57 AM · #46
I am curious about something... What if I have an image that I photographed but I want to make a montage using that image plus images downloaded from a place like istock? Could I then sell the artwork that I made using all of the images? As a fine-art print, for example?
 11/01/2004 10:38:18 AM · #47
Originally posted by ironrodart:
I'm new to dpchallenge, but I'm not new to stock. My husband and I have been into stock for over two decades. He recently wrote a history on stock photography (covering the last decade), that I think members of this forum would find very interesting. It also compares istockphoto.com, Dreamstime.com, CanStockPhoto.com and ShutterStock.com; and why one might want to consider them --even if you're a professional photographer. The article also covers Alamy.com, Photos.com, Corbis.com, GettyImages.com and Comstock.com:

//www.inkjetart.com/news/archive/IJN_10-28-04.html#5

My husband is currently a consultant for Inkjetart.com. He writes a monthly newsletter for them, and this is the article he wrote for them this month.


thx for this and this thread, I have been struggling with and trying to sort out this stock stuff and this thread is helping. thx
 11/01/2004 11:32:15 AM · #48
I have been looking at stock photography sites as well and wondering if this is a viable way to help cover the cost of equipment as I learn. I browsed both getty and corbis over the weekend to get a feel for the type of images that fit the stock model. From what I saw, it appears that RF work is fairly generic and higher quality more focused materials fit with RM. I was surprised to see some opinions suggesting that RF work devalued fine art photography? I didn't see much stock work that I would put on my wall or in a coffee table style book of photography. I have some work that I wound not sell RF, but I was thinking about working up some images specific to the RF market and see how it works. I hoping RF, RM, and fine art can all continue to exist together.
 11/01/2004 11:48:49 AM · #49
i am a member of dreamstime too. and my sales has been tripled in the last month. people who upload consistently and keep with dreamstiem are in for a big and pleasant surprise. with the growth rate of the site now. withint 3 to 6 month period they will be one of the major players in rf stock photography . and people who upload and support the site will eventually not regret but embrace the results with greatfullness.
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