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02/09/2009 07:56:00 AM · #51 |
My final conclusion:
I will vote like it's an OPEN CHALLENGE: Wont even bother to check on the original browns anymore.
But it does make the whole BROWN Challenge rather futile. Might as well just have called it an OPEN CHALLENGE then.
And I might as well have just taken a shot of anything instead of limiting myself to the BROWN challenge theme then.
Message edited by author 2009-02-09 08:37:46. |
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02/09/2009 09:13:11 AM · #52 |
Originally posted by ThingFish:
My final conclusion:
I will vote like it's an OPEN CHALLENGE: Wont even bother to check on the original browns anymore.
But it does make the whole BROWN Challenge rather futile. Might as well just have called it an OPEN CHALLENGE then.
And I might as well have just taken a shot of anything instead of limiting myself to the BROWN challenge theme then. |
Crickey chill out a little it is afterall meant to be fun ;)
The idea as I see it is to take inspiration from a brown entry and shoot a similar shot in a way that it goes from brown to blue, putting the image_ID in will have the DNMC crowd in their element as they say "The original had 2 tomatoes and you only have 1" Okay that's a bit extreme but I'm sure you get the idea.
Another thing that I have come to understand in my relatively short time here is: It doesn't matter how good your shot is, or how well it meets the challenge, or even how WOW it is, someone, somewhere will not like it and will vote it 1, 2 or 3 so I now try and forget the individual scores, concentrate on connecting with as many of the people as you can (if scoring well is still a criteria) and try and learn something from every challenge you enter (or comment on).
So if commenting on a challenge that you do not feel has a definitive guideline, simply vote on whatever criteria you want, as long as you vote consistently and try and vote on all entries then it's fair - they are afterall just numbers :)
Mark. |
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02/09/2009 09:15:23 AM · #53 |
Originally posted by Mark-A:
Originally posted by ThingFish:
My final conclusion:
I will vote like it's an OPEN CHALLENGE: Wont even bother to check on the original browns anymore.
But it does make the whole BROWN Challenge rather futile. Might as well just have called it an OPEN CHALLENGE then.
And I might as well have just taken a shot of anything instead of limiting myself to the BROWN challenge theme then. |
Crickey chill out a little it is afterall meant to be fun ;)
The idea as I see it is to take inspiration from a brown entry and shoot a similar shot in a way that it goes from brown to blue, putting the image_ID in will have the DNMC crowd in their element as they say "The original had 2 tomatoes and you only have 1" Okay that's a bit extreme but I'm sure you get the idea.
Another thing that I have come to understand in my relatively short time here is: It doesn't matter how good your shot is, or how well it meets the challenge, or even how WOW it is, someone, somewhere will not like it and will vote it 1, 2 or 3 so I now try and forget the individual scores, concentrate on connecting with as many of the people as you can (if scoring well is still a criteria) and try and learn something from every challenge you enter (or comment on).
So if commenting on a challenge that you do not feel has a definitive guideline, simply vote on whatever criteria you want, as long as you vote consistently and try and vote on all entries then it's fair - they are afterall just numbers :)
Mark. |
I am totally chilled out. Dont know why you would think I am not.
Here is the history of how I came to my conclusion regarding the BROWN challenge:
My Original post:
Going to start voting and giving comments. I have decided to only vote and give comments on entries that have given an IMAGE ID and/or title so that I can go back and look at the original brown to compare it and base my vote and comment on that. I see many images that I cannot trace back to the original brown and so those I wont give score or comments on. I can only vote if I can compare the image to the brown.
Regards
Fred
REACTION TO MY POST:
Then you may not get 20% since the challenge theme CLEARLY said to put the original # in the description, not the title.
My ANSWER:
Yes unfortunately that is so. Bad luck. I found that pretty dumb as well and dont know what good that is. After all I want to be able to compare during voting and not after. So for those that thought a bit further and realized this and put a link to the original in their title it will be beneficial as far as my vote is concerned.
That's what this challenge is all about. Improving on a BROWN. If you cant see the BROWN you cant compare and thus the image is meaningless in that context.
My final conclusion as per the forum discussion:
I will vote like it's an OPEN CHALLENGE: Wont even bother to check on the original browns anymore.
But it does make the whole BROWN Challenge rather futile. Might as well just have called it an OPEN CHALLENGE then.
And I might as well have just taken a shot of anything instead of limiting myself to the BROWN challenge theme then.
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02/09/2009 09:17:53 AM · #54 |
| In hindsight, I should have used the image ID, however the title is so close that the original for mine is still easy to find. |
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02/09/2009 09:27:54 AM · #55 |
Thingfish, it was a tongue in cheek reply, note the ;) at the end of the line.
As I said, no matter what the criteria of ANY challenge there will always be 1001 variations of what people believe it to mean, so that means there will be 1001 different voting scales, it all levels out in the end and as long as you are comfortable with the way YOU vote then it's all good, keep it consistent and let the mass decision prevail :)
I am not in this one, I had intended on entering but didn't have time to shoot it so I am looking at it without bias.
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02/09/2009 09:47:29 AM · #56 |
Guys I think I may be being a bit thick here but can someone tell me the quickest way to get to a past challenge.
ie just about to vote on an image based on the challenge Textures V... how to I get to it?
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02/09/2009 09:52:26 AM · #57 |
Originally posted by Lutchenko:
Guys I think I may be being a bit thick here but can someone tell me the quickest way to get to a past challenge.
ie just about to vote on an image based on the challenge Textures V... how to I get to it? |
Challenges -> Challenge History -> Show All at Once and click filter .... this link should take you there ....
and press Ctrl + F on your keyboard and just search the page :)
Message edited by author 2009-02-09 09:53:01. |
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02/09/2009 09:52:52 AM · #58 |
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02/09/2009 09:54:50 AM · #59 |
Originally posted by bobonacus:
Challenges -> Challenge History -> Show All at Once and click filter .... this link should take you there ....
and press Ctrl + F on your keyboard and just search the page :) |
Fantastic, many thanks |
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02/09/2009 12:12:37 PM · #60 |
| I am actually checking all the images in the challenge contrary to what I said i would do and I am finding it a very time consuming exercise especially when checking some titles and finding that there is no such challenge or title at all. I have now checked , voted and commented on 54 images and this has taken me more then 3 hours so far. |
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02/09/2009 12:14:18 PM · #61 |
Originally posted by ThingFish:
I am actually checking all the images in the challenge contrary to what I said i would do and I am finding it a very time consuming exercise especially when checking some titles and finding that there is no such challenge or title at all. I have now checked , voted and commented on 54 images and this has taken me more then 3 hours so far. |
I started doing the same and am on the verge of giving up due to the amount of time it's taking |
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02/09/2009 12:17:46 PM · #62 |
Originally posted by Lutchenko:
Originally posted by ThingFish:
I am actually checking all the images in the challenge contrary to what I said i would do and I am finding it a very time consuming exercise especially when checking some titles and finding that there is no such challenge or title at all. I have now checked , voted and commented on 54 images and this has taken me more then 3 hours so far. |
I started doing the same and am on the verge of giving up due to the amount of time it's taking |
Before you give up, check here: //www.dpchallenge.com/forum.php?action=read&FORUM_THREAD_ID=871906 |
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02/09/2009 12:27:31 PM · #63 |
Thank you Hawk for doing that.
But I have to say, I am going to get slammed for my voting style in this challenge. I have spent the last 4 hours looking up the browns and comparing them and still only half way through.
SO if you put the image ID in title and or the challenge title, you get 6 to start off with, then the points add up from there on.
If not then it starts lower.
The way I see it, is that if I am taking the time to look and study your shot and I have to troll for hours to find it or even not find it and this IS a comparison challenge, then stick it in your title. |
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02/09/2009 12:43:10 PM · #64 |
Originally posted by JulietNN:
Thank you Hawk for doing that.
But I have to say, I am going to get slammed for my voting style in this challenge. I have spent the last 4 hours looking up the browns and comparing them and still only half way through.
SO if you put the image ID in title and or the challenge title, you get 6 to start off with, then the points add up from there on.
If not then it starts lower.
The way I see it, is that if I am taking the time to look and study your shot and I have to troll for hours to find it or even not find it and this IS a comparison challenge, then stick it in your title. |
on second thought, nevermind.
Message edited by author 2009-02-09 12:44:44. |
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02/09/2009 12:49:18 PM · #65 |
Originally posted by JulietNN:
Thank you Hawk for doing that.
But I have to say, I am going to get slammed for my voting style in this challenge. I have spent the last 4 hours looking up the browns and comparing them and still only half way through.
SO if you put the image ID in title and or the challenge title, you get 6 to start off with, then the points add up from there on.
If not then it starts lower.
The way I see it, is that if I am taking the time to look and study your shot and I have to troll for hours to find it or even not find it and this IS a comparison challenge, then stick it in your title. |
Seems amazing to me that whenever you follow the directions in the challenge description you end up being penalized..lol |
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02/09/2009 12:57:32 PM · #66 |
No I can understand exactly where you are coming from and it is equally frustrating for you to hear some witch is doing her scoring like this.
But can you image, I have spent 4 hours and I am only at 89 out of 129.
I understand that it said put it in the description and did not say, put it into the title. But it is a comparison challenge. The images that do not have a title or ID number, takes longer than 5 mins to find, is utterly frustrating.
I personally, am trying my best to go through each photo and score it really well compared to the original. I am takign my time to really study the shot.
I am not just flipping through them |
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02/09/2009 12:57:42 PM · #67 |
Originally posted by tfarrell23:
Seems amazing to me that whenever you follow the directions in the challenge description you end up being penalized..lol |
I'm surprised by your amazement! I would think that you've been around long enough to have a feel for how the voters work around here. The key is that if the voter can't find the brown that your entry is based on, then the voter believes that you did not follow the challenge description. Specifically, this part: "Find a brown ribbon winner, and try to turn that entry into a entry that is excellent." If I as a voter can't find the source image, how do I know you even based your entry on a brown winner at all?
Seems obvious to me that not pointing the voters to the brown that you are recreating is to guarantee a lower score than if you did. |
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02/09/2009 01:03:37 PM · #68 |
Originally posted by JulietNN:
SO if you put the image ID in title and or the challenge title, you get 6 to start off with, then the points add up from there on.
If not then it starts lower. |
By the same logic I think anyone who has put the image ID in the title is a DNMC as the challenge rules clearly state "You should reference the last place entry in the details on the submission page"
I am joking of course ... but you are penalizing entries for following the rules, surely the fact you can't find the original is a failing of the website, not the photog? |
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02/09/2009 01:11:50 PM · #69 |
Originally posted by JulietNN:
Thank you Hawk for doing that.
But I have to say, I am going to get slammed for my voting style in this challenge. I have spent the last 4 hours looking up the browns and comparing them and still only half way through.
SO if you put the image ID in title and or the challenge title, you get 6 to start off with, then the points add up from there on.
If not then it starts lower.
The way I see it, is that if I am taking the time to look and study your shot and I have to troll for hours to find it or even not find it and this IS a comparison challenge, then stick it in your title. |
Well that would explain why the shot that I very carefully planned and executed and was super proud of is scoring lower than expected. To hell with the great photo, I forgot to put a reference in the title. *sigh*
I've voted on 100% of the photos and I voted on them the same way that I vote on any other challenge. If I liked the photo it got a high score and if I didn't it got a lower score. I will enjoy comparing the origionals to the reshoots when the challenge is over and I can see the thumbnails in the descriptions. |
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02/09/2009 01:16:57 PM · #70 |
Not really:
I typed into the search photo for a photograh titled with just one word.
it pulled up 2 pages and 1000 pictures.
Now I have to look and find the original for that one shot, should take me what, 5-10 mins out of 1000 shots.
You try it.
edited, just did another shot, one word, challenge titles only, pulled up 587
SO try to tell me that it is not worth putting your image id or original title in the title.
and my scoring isnt that different from normal
You have rated 91 of 129 images (71%) in this challenge.
You have commented on 1 images (1%) in this challenge.
You have given an average score of 5.5495.
Message edited by author 2009-02-09 13:19:55. |
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02/09/2009 01:19:40 PM · #71 |
| You just do your thing, Juliet. If others failed to anticipate that there would be voters like you that's their problem, not yours. Isn't that part of what this game is all about? Figuring out what the hell the voters are thinking and giving them what they want? |
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02/09/2009 01:20:14 PM · #72 |
I had a feeling all of this kind of argument would happen and that is why I said early on that I would put the challenge I took my choice from in the title.
As for voting I found it to hard to find the challenge others chose so I am just voting on the pictures as usual and keeping with the honor system. |
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02/09/2009 01:23:53 PM · #73 |
Originally posted by limerick:
... As for voting I found it to hard to find the challenge others chose so I am just voting on the pictures as usual and keeping with the honor system. |
How do you know if the entry accomplished this then?
From the challenge description:
"Find a brown ribbon winner, and try to turn that entry into a entry that is excellent."
I think that's the comparison that Juliet is talking about. |
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02/09/2009 01:41:20 PM · #74 |
Being my first Brown Ribbon Deja Vu challenge, I was a good little girl and followed the instructions, putting my referred brown ribbon shot in the description. Too late did I realize the problem this would create. I've tried contacting SC to have them alter my title to include the referred image, but so far nothing.
This is very frustrating for me as well because as everyone else has mentioned, voting becomes a mess. Since this is supposed to be an "improvement of another shot" challenge, and if we cannot refer to the original shot for comparison, what exactly are we voting on? It would be so much easier if there was some way to include the actual referred thumbnail on the page as we voted.
A huge thanks to the folks who create the thumbnail referrals on the forums. |
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02/09/2009 01:45:44 PM · #75 |
Originally posted by freakin_hilarious:
Originally posted by tfarrell23:
Seems amazing to me that whenever you follow the directions in the challenge description you end up being penalized..lol |
I'm surprised by your amazement! I would think that you've been around long enough to have a feel for how the voters work around here. The key is that if the voter can't find the brown that your entry is based on, then the voter believes that you did not follow the challenge description. Specifically, this part: "Find a brown ribbon winner, and try to turn that entry into a entry that is excellent." If I as a voter can't find the source image, how do I know you even based your entry on a brown winner at all?
Seems obvious to me that not pointing the voters to the brown that you are recreating is to guarantee a lower score than if you did. |
Being here 7 years....Knowing the voters like I do... I should have said it never ceases to amaze me...LOL....but, it's not the voters fault..it is again a failure of the description..so I apologize to the voters ...the description actually failed us again...lol...which always happens. |
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