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08/06/2010 06:02:04 PM · #101 |
Originally posted by SaraR:
he is possibly the most accessible of the 'Masters of Photography'. |
Yeah, for  pawdrix... |
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08/06/2010 06:11:32 PM · #102 |
Yea, Bresson would be a great one to start with.
Originally posted by George:
Oh FO' SHO! Just one thing...
Rule: It must be taken at the 35mm-equivalent focal length of 50mm, and under "Minimal Editing," as he believed in using only the nifty-fifty and not post-processing or recomposing in the darkroom. This means that the focal length data must be encoded by the camera in the EXIF data. |
I'm fine with that but only because i've only very recently got a 35mm. For the previous 2 or 3 years the only lenses i had was a 12-24mm and a 50mm. Just pointing out that some people may not be able to play if that rule was strictly adhered to. |
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08/06/2010 06:16:45 PM · #103 |
| "In the style of" Bresson is ok. Not sure about the 50 mm. |
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08/06/2010 06:25:24 PM · #104 |
So... the only decisive moment left is the rule set. I'm leaning towards Minimal editing -  yanko's original suggestion.
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08/06/2010 07:00:28 PM · #105 |
Yep, HCB would be a good starting point. Looking forward to seeing what happens next.
Thanks GeneralE |
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08/06/2010 08:24:19 PM · #106 |
Originally posted by pointandshoot:
So... the only decisive moment left is the rule set. I'm leaning towards Minimal editing - yanko's original suggestion. |
HCB <> HDR
Minimal for me too, please.
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08/06/2010 08:26:27 PM · #107 |
| I would be okay with basic so I can use curves to try to match the contrast he achieved... but I'm easy. |
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08/06/2010 08:46:25 PM · #108 |
HCB is fine ... I'd stick with Basic editing also. The 50mm "rule" would be too cumbersome to enforce. I think we can "encourage" people to use as close to that setting as possible. This could be made more likely by adding a "Special Rule" of no cropping allowed except either top or bottom to get to a 3:2 ratio ...
I will be away for a few days, so I may not be so much on top of this until next week. Hopefully the ball will be rolling a bit faster by then. |
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08/06/2010 10:52:56 PM · #109 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
HCB is fine ... I'd stick with Basic editing also. The 50mm "rule" would be too cumbersome to enforce. I think we can "encourage" people to use as close to that setting as possible. This could be made more likely by adding a "Special Rule" of no cropping allowed except either top or bottom to get to a 3:2 ratio ... |
Basic, with a special crop rule, would be ideal... thanks for your input and effort on this, Paul.
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08/07/2010 08:45:37 AM · #110 |
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08/07/2010 09:09:30 AM · #111 |
I'll put my vote in for minimal. I think the no crop rule is important (even if it is not strictly at 50mm) and i would just shoot black and white with bumped contrast in-camera. Bresson may not have had much interest in developing and processing his images but he would have surely have popped a note instructing high contrast in with his film when he dropped it off at Boots the chemist and he would have been disappointed if they'd come back all grey and washed out when he picked them up. Likewise, i think it's within the spirit to instruct my little jpeg guys to bump the contrast a bit when they do their stuff.
Message edited by author 2010-08-07 09:17:46. |
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08/07/2010 09:53:24 AM · #112 |
personally, I find it a bit quixotic to enforce Bresson-ness with a ruleset.
I worry this will get lost in complications.
In the Style of Henri-Cartier Bresson. no description. basic editing. we're done. |
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08/07/2010 06:14:06 PM · #113 |
Originally posted by posthumous:
personally, I find it a bit quixotic to enforce Bresson-ness with a ruleset.
I worry this will get lost in complications.
In the Style of Henri-Cartier Bresson. no description. basic editing. we're done. |
We're done? |
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08/07/2010 06:27:41 PM · #114 |
HCB would be a great place to start. I see no need to even attempt to enforce a focal length; the voters will do that, hopefully, as they discard extreme WA and extreme Tele as not being "in his style".
However, there's a bit of a fallacious assumption operating here, that HCB's disinterest in processing his own images is equivalent to straight-from-camera in some way; he had printers who he trusted to do his work, he had input in it, the fact that he didn't do it himself doesn't mean that it was unmanipulated.
I think we can count on the voters to make these distinctions. Advanced editing would be fine IMO.
R.
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08/07/2010 06:39:45 PM · #115 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
HCB would be a great place to start. I see no need to even attempt to enforce a focal length; the voters will do that, hopefully, as they discard extreme WA and extreme Tele as not being "in his style".
However, there's a bit of a fallacious assumption operating here, that HCB's disinterest in processing his own images is equivalent to straight-from-camera in some way; he had printers who he trusted to do his work, he had input in it, the fact that he didn't do it himself doesn't mean that it was unmanipulated.
I think we can count on the voters to make these distinctions. Advanced editing would be fine IMO.
R. |
I feel the same way |
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08/07/2010 06:44:59 PM · #116 |
Originally posted by posthumous:
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
I think we can count on the voters to make these distinctions. Advanced editing would be fine IMO.
R. |
I feel the same way |
Third if needed.
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08/07/2010 06:48:11 PM · #117 |
Originally posted by posthumous:
I would be okay with basic so I can use curves to try to match the contrast he achieved... but I'm easy. |
I would agree with this except the loss of applying masks to your curves and dodging/burning. |
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08/07/2010 06:50:55 PM · #118 |
Originally posted by clive_patric_nolan:
I'll put my vote in for minimal. I think the no crop rule is important (even if it is not strictly at 50mm) and i would just shoot black and white with bumped contrast in-camera. Bresson may not have had much interest in developing and processing his images but he would have surely have popped a note instructing high contrast in with his film when he dropped it off at Boots the chemist and he would have been disappointed if they'd come back all grey and washed out when he picked them up. Likewise, i think it's within the spirit to instruct my little jpeg guys to bump the contrast a bit when they do their stuff. |
Not nearly the same as using levels or curves. I'm finding that out with the over/under challenge. It is wickedly difficult to get a delicious, contrasty, BW straight from the camera. |
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08/07/2010 06:52:50 PM · #119 |
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought I already provided a challenge description and ruleset for the HCB challenge. What's with all this debating? Now I don't mind if we switch to basic editing if it makes it a little easier to shoot in HCB's style, but please lets not make this about technical matters. This isn't about running another minimal editing ruleset just for the sake of it. It's about the chosen photographer. His famous quote was "To take a photograph is to align the head, the eye and the heart. It's a way of life." Lets all try to get that in focus.
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08/07/2010 06:56:59 PM · #120 |
My vote is for the BEST photographer exist in the whole DPC universe... MASTER yanko
I don't want to hear otherwise. |
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08/07/2010 06:57:43 PM · #121 |
And it's a great quote!
So you are not married to minimal, good. Basic ruleset is minimal enough if that was the original desire.
ETA: I still vote for advanced.
Message edited by author 2010-08-07 18:58:58. |
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08/07/2010 06:57:53 PM · #122 |
Originally posted by yanko:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought I already provided a challenge description and ruleset for the HCB challenge. What's with all this debating? Now I don't mind if we switch to basic editing if it makes it a little easier to shoot in HCB's style, but please lets not make this about technical matters. This isn't about running another minimal editing ruleset just for the sake of it. It's about the chosen photographer. His famous quote was "To take a photograph is to align the head, the eye and the heart. It's a way of life." Lets all try to get that in focus. |
Because there are too many people on this site who think they are the king/queen and want to rule the place and what everyone does in it. Yes, freedom of speech but how about freedom of style?
As far as I am concerned...many people do well on this site...not just for creativity but also for their technique....whether it be in camera or in processing. If you want to see what these 'masters' are capable of...then give them the freedom to do so. But that's my two cents....which will probably go ignored anyway. I'm used to that.
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08/07/2010 07:01:56 PM · #123 |
Originally posted by Judi:
...But that's my two cents....which will probably go ignored anyway. I'm used to that... |
I don't ignore you Julie! |
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08/07/2010 07:03:55 PM · #124 |
Originally posted by FocusPoint:
Originally posted by Judi:
...But that's my two cents....which will probably go ignored anyway. I'm used to that... |
I don't ignore you Julie! |
I rest my case!!!!!!
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08/07/2010 07:10:30 PM · #125 |
Originally posted by Judi:
Because there are too many people on this site who think they are the king/queen and want to rule the place and what everyone does in it. |
Sort of taints your better point, the second point. No matter.
Originally posted by Judi:
As far as I am concerned...many people do well on this site...not just for creativity but also for their technique....whether it be in camera or in processing. If you want to see what these 'masters' are capable of...then give them the freedom to do so. |
Yes, I like this thought Judi. Let the individual take their inspiration from the chosen photographer and run with it. Let's see what they can do. With HCB, I'm already looking forward to Pawdrix,  PennyStreet, and Melethia, among others of course. |
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