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01/14/2009 02:14:58 PM · #1 |
Sorry to start another thread on this topic but I have a quick question I would like you to answer:
Can we compose a photo of 2 or more photos taken during 2008, but not(taken) in the same day?
It may sound silly but just wanted to know.
Many thanks,
George. |
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01/14/2009 02:17:55 PM · #2 |
| Sorry, no -- that's not allowed under the Advanced Editing rule set. |
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01/14/2009 02:19:41 PM · #3 |
Ok.... maybe I missinterpreted the rules... but, what does this stands for:
"All originals used in the making of your entry must have been taken on or between Jan 1 2008 and Dec 31 2008." |
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01/14/2009 02:22:18 PM · #4 |
Technically, can't you shoot the same scene with the camera in the same position ... at 11:59 pm and at 12:01 am ... ?
or even 24 hours later as long as the camera is in the same exact position?
Just to be specific about what the rule is. |
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01/14/2009 02:23:03 PM · #5 |
| You can "stack" images of the same scene to create increased dynamic range of depth of field, but not to create composite images which create a new scene difference from the source image(s). If multiple images are used within these constraints, all of the originals must be available for validation. |
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01/14/2009 03:11:43 PM · #6 |
From the rules: "The intent of allowing multiple captures is to enable such techniques as high dynamic range (HDR), noise reduction, increased DOF, etc., but not to permit a subject from one scene to be inserted into a different scene, nor is it intended to allow a subject to appear in multiple places within a scene."
In a nutshell, it means you can put the camera on a tripod and take up to 10 images of the same static scene with different camera settings. |
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01/14/2009 04:26:01 PM · #7 |
as these rules are being discussed...
could you combine shots from 2 different cameras, if mounted on the same tripod, with same lens attached, taken within a minute or so of each other!!
reason i am asking is i have a camera converted for IR, and one of my possible free study entries i did this!!
(i didn't enter that shot as i wasn't sure)
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01/14/2009 05:18:10 PM · #8 |
Originally posted by dainmcgowan:
as these rules are being discussed...
could you combine shots from 2 different cameras, if mounted on the same tripod, with same lens attached, taken within a minute or so of each other!!
reason i am asking is i have a camera converted for IR, and one of my possible free study entries i did this!!
(i didn't enter that shot as i wasn't sure) |
That's a fascinating question. I'd *guess* it would be OK, but I wouldn't bet on it without SC reinforcement :-)
R.
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01/14/2009 09:20:56 PM · #9 |
Since this is a "learning" site, i would suppose this would be an example of creative use of equipment as well as a way to bend rules to the point of "almost but not quite" breaking.
Originally posted by dainmcgowan:
as these rules are being discussed...
could you combine shots from 2 different cameras, if mounted on the same tripod, with same lens attached, taken within a minute or so of each other!!
reason i am asking is i have a camera converted for IR, and one of my possible free study entries i did this!!
(i didn't enter that shot as i wasn't sure) |
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01/15/2009 04:23:34 AM · #10 |
Originally posted by metatate:
Since this is a "learning" site, i would suppose this would be an example of creative use of equipment as well as a way to bend rules to the point of "almost but not quite" breaking.
Originally posted by dainmcgowan:
as these rules are being discussed...
could you combine shots from 2 different cameras, if mounted on the same tripod, with same lens attached, taken within a minute or so of each other!!
reason i am asking is i have a camera converted for IR, and one of my possible free study entries i did this!!
(i didn't enter that shot as i wasn't sure) |
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that wasn't my intention.
i sometimes shoot a scene with my 'normal' camera as well as my IR camera and see which one comes out best when i get home.
with this particular scene there was just one part that looked better with the normal camera, so i pasted that into the IR image.
when it come to selecting my december free study entry, this shot was a possibility.
ETA - would love an answer from the SC on this!!
Message edited by author 2009-01-15 04:24:22.
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01/15/2009 07:19:19 AM · #11 |
Originally posted by dainmcgowan:
Originally posted by metatate:
Since this is a "learning" site, i would suppose this would be an example of creative use of equipment as well as a way to bend rules to the point of "almost but not quite" breaking.
Originally posted by dainmcgowan:
as these rules are being discussed...
could you combine shots from 2 different cameras, if mounted on the same tripod, with same lens attached, taken within a minute or so of each other!!
reason i am asking is i have a camera converted for IR, and one of my possible free study entries i did this!!
(i didn't enter that shot as i wasn't sure) |
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that wasn't my intention.
i sometimes shoot a scene with my 'normal' camera as well as my IR camera and see which one comes out best when i get home.
with this particular scene there was just one part that looked better with the normal camera, so i pasted that into the IR image.
when it come to selecting my december free study entry, this shot was a possibility.
ETA - would love an answer from the SC on this!! |
Unfortunately I don't think so...but I am not SC. Have you sent an email to SC?
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01/15/2009 08:20:15 AM · #12 |
Originally posted by Judi:
Unfortunately I don't think so...but I am not SC. Have you sent an email to SC? |
not yet, but i should, in case i want to so the same for another chalenge later.
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01/15/2009 11:26:48 AM · #13 |
Regardless of intention, it would set a precedent and requires a minute clarification of the rules.
Originally posted by dainmcgowan:
Originally posted by metatate:
Since this is a "learning" site, i would suppose this would be an example of creative use of equipment as well as a way to bend rules to the point of "almost but not quite" breaking.
Originally posted by dainmcgowan:
as these rules are being discussed...
could you combine shots from 2 different cameras, if mounted on the same tripod, with same lens attached, taken within a minute or so of each other!!
reason i am asking is i have a camera converted for IR, and one of my possible free study entries i did this!!
(i didn't enter that shot as i wasn't sure) |
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that wasn't my intention.
i sometimes shoot a scene with my 'normal' camera as well as my IR camera and see which one comes out best when i get home.
with this particular scene there was just one part that looked better with the normal camera, so i pasted that into the IR image.
when it come to selecting my december free study entry, this shot was a possibility.
ETA - would love an answer from the SC on this!! |
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01/16/2009 09:55:29 AM · #14 |
Originally posted by metatate:
Regardless of intention, it would set a precedent and requires a minute clarification of the rules. |
totall agree.
i have sent a ticket to the SC.
i just didn't want people to think, that i think i am some kind of pioneer... lol
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01/16/2009 10:04:55 AM · #15 |
Originally posted by dainmcgowan:
i sometimes shoot a scene with my 'normal' camera as well as my IR camera and see which one comes out best when i get home.
with this particular scene there was just one part that looked better with the normal camera, so i pasted that into the IR image. |
Is that in the "Best of" now? I'd love to see what it looks like to combine two photos like that. It has to look pretty cool. |
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01/16/2009 11:07:26 AM · #16 |
Originally posted by colorcarnival:
Originally posted by dainmcgowan:
i sometimes shoot a scene with my 'normal' camera as well as my IR camera and see which one comes out best when i get home.
with this particular scene there was just one part that looked better with the normal camera, so i pasted that into the IR image. |
Is that in the "Best of" now? I'd love to see what it looks like to combine two photos like that. It has to look pretty cool. |
i didn't enter it in anything as peeple get dq'ed for a lot less than that!
this is it.... 
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01/25/2009 07:41:06 AM · #17 |
i have just asked the SC for a time frame in getting an answer for my 2 camera question, as it was 9 days ago i sent in the ticket.
i will post the reply here if anyone is interested.
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01/25/2009 09:56:56 AM · #18 |
| I suspect the slow reply means that you've opened a can of worms that is requiring a fair amount of digestion :) |
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01/25/2009 11:02:50 AM · #19 |
Originally posted by BeeCee:
I suspect the slow reply means that you've opened a can of worms that is requiring a fair amount of digestion :) |
Ew! That just made a terrible impression on my psyche! LOL! EwewewewEWWWWW!! |
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01/25/2009 11:50:27 AM · #20 |
Originally posted by BeeCee:
I suspect the slow reply means that you've opened a can of worms that is requiring a fair amount of digestion :) |
me and that darn tin opener!!
beecee - it is just the boat to the left of the picture that i swapped out.
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01/25/2009 02:45:38 PM · #21 |
| Thanks, I'd have never been able to figure it out :) |
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01/25/2009 03:01:15 PM · #22 |
yea--this is an interesting question: HDR shots make use of multiple images taken in one "go", so you are introducing the idea of switching bodies but nothing else and doing a similar thing. Not a simple, clear-cut issue, I suspect :-)
Nice image, too, btw!
Message edited by author 2009-01-25 15:01:51. |
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01/25/2009 04:59:20 PM · #23 |
i got a reply....
Under the advanced rules, assuming that you don't upsize one to match the other, the operation of combining the files from two cameras taken from the same position of the exact same scene (and very close in time), should be ok. However, under the advanced rule set, "You may not create new features during post-processing" and you may not "combine different captures to create a new scene.".
Note that the advanced ruleset is results based. In this case, we can only tell you that the act of combining the images is ok under advanced. Like any legal editing tool under advanced, it depends on what you do with it as to whether it is legal. You can use the portions of the advanced rules above, and of course the rest of the set you can find here //www.dpchallenge.com/challenge_rules.php?RULES_ID=17 to help guide you. Or depending on your time frame, you can submit a specific example for us to look at ahead of time.
Regards--Neil, on behalf of SC.
looks like it is allowed.... to a point!
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01/25/2009 05:26:36 PM · #24 |
Originally posted by dainmcgowan:
i got a reply....
Under the advanced rules, assuming that you don't upsize one to match the other, the operation of combining the files from two cameras taken from the same position of the exact same scene (and very close in time), should be ok. However, under the advanced rule set, "You may not create new features during post-processing" and you may not "combine different captures to create a new scene.".
Note that the advanced ruleset is results based. In this case, we can only tell you that the act of combining the images is ok under advanced. Like any legal editing tool under advanced, it depends on what you do with it as to whether it is legal. You can use the portions of the advanced rules above, and of course the rest of the set you can find here //www.dpchallenge.com/challenge_rules.php?RULES_ID=17 to help guide you. Or depending on your time frame, you can submit a specific example for us to look at ahead of time.
Regards--Neil, on behalf of SC.
looks like it is allowed.... to a point! |
But....like the use of textures....can be a very fine line and a very unclear line at that as to whether one example would be allowed in comparison to another...and ones interpretation of that rule may or may not agree with another.....!
A can of worms for sure that I would not like to gamble on.
But....food for thought...I can at least hope that it will work for someone.
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