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04/26/2004 01:42:51 AM · #1 |
i have just read the new rules for advanced editting and i think it is written in a clearer way than its previous version.. so i would like to congradulate admins and councils on that..
here is my offer: why dont we have every once in a while a challenge with no limitations whatsoever.. even allowing double exposures and multi image compositions and every concievable editting that is possible..it shouldnt even have a challenge subject.. perhaps a free study all the time.. it wouldnt hurt anything because other challenges would still be around and noone has to enter to this unlimited editting challenges. plus it would create a good source for editting digitally and might inspire people in a good way.. to make it more usefull.. first winning image or the top three may be required to submit at least a brief article on how they created their work.. i think it would be great.. and i would strongly urge everyone to please consider this....
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04/26/2004 02:09:53 AM · #2 |
| Yeah! Great Idea!!!! Just have one challenge with no limitations. I do think that this should be free study of creation and art with Photograghy. Let the digital out of film and be very creative. It wouldn't hurt. You have my vote. |
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04/26/2004 02:47:03 AM · #3 |
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04/26/2004 02:47:26 AM · #4 |
I myself is no fan of digital art (probably sour grapes because I'm no good in Photoshop.) The idea of a once-in-a-while free study with no editing restriction probably deserves a review. IMHO, it may probably make those members fond of heavy photoshop manipulations happy. So basically, if you don't like it, you don't have to participate.
As this will be done in less frequency as the free-study with the advanced editing rules in place, this shouldn't deviate too much from the majority of this site's members' desires which is maintaining photographic integrity as opposed to digital art.
IMO, this accomplishes two things: (a) being responsive to those clamoring for unlimited editing in digital art. (b) preserves the spirit of the site as a whole and also making sure that maintaining the highest photographic integrity allowed in advanced editing is the number goal as we already see in the weekly Member and Open Challenges.
Just my opinion on this whole digital art thingy. One thing for sure though is I won't enter this challenge.
Also, the reworded advanced editing rules, imo is far better and clearer that the older one. Great job SC, and admin.
Message edited by author 2004-04-26 02:49:42.
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04/26/2004 02:56:39 AM · #5 |
Great job Admins/Whoever was involved!
The idea of total editing in certainly worth a try. Would the image have to be taken that week? Or like image of all time? Becuase with that much editing it would be hard to tell.
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04/26/2004 03:01:24 AM · #6 |
We have already had some unlimited editing challenges, multi-image compositions, and no-editing challenges. I have no doubt you will continue to see the occasional challenge run under an "extra rules" set, perhaps more restrictive than the current rules, perhaps less ... we'll never tell (in advance).
I think we need to give people a little time to settle in with the new rules before we start making exceptions to them.
Thanks for the feedback on the new rules description!
Message edited by author 2004-04-26 03:02:18. |
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04/26/2004 03:07:13 AM · #7 |
I am really happy with the new rules. They are good because they keep me focused on the real reason for my being here - to improve my photography skills. With no holds barred Photoshop, I was starting to get too involved in fixing things rather than getting them right the first time or suffering for it, which in turn leads to learning from it.
I do like the idea of the occaisonal no holds barred challenge, though. If anything, for a little fun. And to remind us how powerful and honest a true and natural photograph really is.
Darcy
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04/26/2004 03:08:35 AM · #8 |
| how about this: why not incorporate a permanent poll to the site introducing and asking for future improvements.. like one poll in a month thing.. and so everyone can speak out..? i am sure it is a tough thing to update such a humongous site.. but improvement is always good.. |
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04/26/2004 03:15:50 AM · #9 |
Originally posted by theodor38:
how about this: why not incorporate a permanent poll to the site introducing and asking for future improvements.. like one poll in a month thing.. and so everyone can speak out..? i am sure it is a tough thing to update such a humongous site.. but improvement is always good.. |
Search the "Web Site Suggestions" category of threads. Start a new thread if your suggestion hasn't been made before, or bump up an old thread if it has.
We periodically try to gather up all the site suggestions in one thread for the Site Council to review and discuss; unfortunately, we have many more good suggestions than can be practically implemented. There are almost always some changes/improvements in progress ... usually just more slowly than people want.
Message edited by author 2004-04-26 03:16:41. |
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04/26/2004 03:15:58 AM · #10 |
Originally posted by theodor38:
how about this: why not incorporate a permanent poll to the site introducing and asking for future improvements.. like one poll in a month thing.. and so everyone can speak out..? i am sure it is a tough thing to update such a humongous site.. but improvement is always good.. |
Now there is an idea!
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04/26/2004 03:17:47 AM · #11 |
| In fact, I'm moving this thread to Web Site Suggestions where it really belongs. |
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04/26/2004 10:51:35 AM · #12 |
We've done this before, and so it was difficult to finally make the Advanced Editing options. There have been such challenges, and they've caused problems. Check out The Future challenge. This created lots of problems, as I recall, especially regarding copyright.
However, I still think that occasional 'digital art' challenges might be interesting, as long as there are clear rules such as: all work MUST be done by the photographer (no grabbing a moon of the NASA site, for instance) and MUST be taken during the challenge week.
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04/26/2004 12:44:09 PM · #13 |
Originally posted by dsidwell:
... I still think that occasional 'digital art' challenges might be interesting, as long as there are clear rules such as: all work MUST be done by the photographer (no grabbing a moon of the NASA site, for instance) and MUST be taken during the challenge week. |
Actual NASA photos are in the public domain and may be used as a component of a derivative work, or even just sold as prints -- copyright is not an issue with those. |
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04/26/2004 12:54:04 PM · #14 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by dsidwell:
... I still think that occasional 'digital art' challenges might be interesting, as long as there are clear rules such as: all work MUST be done by the photographer (no grabbing a moon of the NASA site, for instance) and MUST be taken during the challenge week. |
Actual NASA photos are in the public domain and may be used as a component of a derivative work, or even just sold as prints -- copyright is not an issue with those. |
That IS true, Paul, and we in the U.S. did pay for it after all with our taxes, but I still would maintain that only self-taken images should be used in such a challenge.
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04/26/2004 01:01:22 PM · #15 |
| I agree all images should be the work of the photographer otherwise the challenge would be ok Sue |
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04/26/2004 01:17:15 PM · #16 |
| I don't disagree -- we can set our own rules for the challenges. I just wanted to clarify that the issue with NASA photos was not a copyright issue, as it might have been with some of the others. |
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04/26/2004 03:10:58 PM · #17 |
| well it became a problem perhaps because i think the rules were removed for the challenges of a whole month i think.,. correct me if i am wrong.. |
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04/26/2004 03:54:39 PM · #18 |
No, we experimented with a "rough draft" of what are now the "Advanced Rules" for a month (Dec. 2003), to see how they'd work, before taking a poll on whether to implement them permanently. Basically, the solution which best fit the desires of the most members was to have the sustem we have now, with Basic rules for the Open challenges and the Advanced rules for the member-only challenges.
We did not forsee every possible way that people might choose to stretch and/or abuse those rules, nor how many people would be motivated to deliberately violate what they knew to be the "spirit of the rules," leading to the current revisions. |
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