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12/19/2008 01:27:26 PM · #51 |
| is a bunch of snow a regular for michigan? |
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12/19/2008 01:28:37 PM · #52 |
Originally posted by JDubsgirl:
is a bunch of snow a regular for michigan? |
Oh yeah :-) Bunches and bunches and bunches... The storm's supposed to go through here shortly and leave us a foot or so. Manageable...
R.
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12/19/2008 01:45:35 PM · #53 |
While we're on the subject of bad weather. Here in Colorado, we got some snow over Thanksgiving. On the Saturday after, I thought I'd play chicken with a snow plow.
As you can see, I lost. And there wasn't even any snow on the road. The snow plow driver said he was tired and when he turned around didn't realize he was on the wrong side, going the wrong way. We met on the only blind corner around.
Message edited by author 2008-12-19 13:47:56. |
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12/19/2008 02:00:48 PM · #54 |
Originally posted by Marc923:
While we're on the subject of bad weather. Here in Colorado, we got some snow over Thanksgiving. On the Saturday after, I thought I'd play chicken with a snow plow.
As you can see, I lost. And there wasn't even any snow on the road. The snow plow driver said he was tired and when he turned around didn't realize he was on the wrong side, going the wrong way. We met on the only blind corner around. |
Wow, good to see you're alive after that wreck. Did he even feel it? ;] |
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12/19/2008 02:12:17 PM · #55 |
| Not sure what he felt. Or his damage. I also got to take an ambulance ride. But I can tell ya I felt it. Still feeling it today. |
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12/19/2008 02:36:21 PM · #56 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Originally posted by JDubsgirl:
is a bunch of snow a regular for michigan? |
Oh yeah :-) Bunches and bunches and bunches... The storm's supposed to go through here shortly and leave us a foot or so. Manageable...
R. |
Winter Storm It even mentions Saginaw where I live. |
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12/19/2008 02:51:18 PM · #57 |
Taken by my friend Tom Shellenberger while driving to Redding, California, I think on the 17th.
Message edited by author 2008-12-19 14:51:42. |
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12/19/2008 02:56:19 PM · #58 |
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Originally posted by Mick:
There's this new invention called "snow chains" that you should try. They work great. :D |
They don't work so hot on a bed-empty, 2WD small pickup though... Weight over axle is the main thing to add.
R. |
They're also illegal in many snow states. |
According to this they're not illegal in any state.
State Tire Chain Laws
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12/19/2008 03:08:20 PM · #59 |
Originally posted by Mick:
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Originally posted by Mick:
There's this new invention called "snow chains" that you should try. They work great. :D |
They don't work so hot on a bed-empty, 2WD small pickup though... Weight over axle is the main thing to add.
R. |
They're also illegal in many snow states. |
According to this they're not illegal in any state.
State Tire Chain Laws |
I know it's absolutely illegal for truckers to use them in Michigan.
It's also illegal here to operate a vehicle with tire chains or studs that come in contact with the road surface.
Of course to decipher what's legal, illegal, you need a chart indicating what conditions are, where exactly you are, what date is on the calendar and so on. So, technically, they may be "legal" everywhere, but to comply with the law is far more complicated than you suggest.
They're legal where you live, great for you, evidently you feel very strongly about it. Have fun.
Message edited by author 2008-12-19 15:15:57. |
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12/19/2008 03:30:37 PM · #60 |
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Originally posted by Mick:
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Originally posted by Mick:
There's this new invention called "snow chains" that you should try. They work great. :D |
They don't work so hot on a bed-empty, 2WD small pickup though... Weight over axle is the main thing to add.
R. |
They're also illegal in many snow states. |
According to this they're not illegal in any state.
State Tire Chain Laws |
I know it's absolutely illegal for truckers to use them in Michigan.
It's also illegal here to operate a vehicle with tire chains or studs that come in contact with the road surface.
Of course to decipher what's legal, illegal, you need a chart indicating what conditions are, where exactly you are, what date is on the calendar and so on. So, technically, they may be "legal" everywhere, but to comply with the law is far more complicated than you suggest.
They're legal where you live, great for you, evidently you feel very strongly about it. Have fun. |
I know that chains or studs are illegal here in Michigan. |
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12/19/2008 03:41:55 PM · #61 |
Originally posted by bmartuch:
I know that chains or studs are illegal here in Michigan. |
Gee ... in California, we often have "Chains Required" postings, especially on routes I-80 and US-50 over the Sierras to Reno and South Lake Tahoe. I think studded tires are still illegal though ... |
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12/19/2008 04:07:42 PM · #62 |
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Originally posted by Mick:
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Originally posted by Mick:
There's this new invention called "snow chains" that you should try. They work great. :D |
They don't work so hot on a bed-empty, 2WD small pickup though... Weight over axle is the main thing to add.
R. |
They're also illegal in many snow states. |
According to this they're not illegal in any state.
State Tire Chain Laws |
I know it's absolutely illegal for truckers to use them in Michigan.
It's also illegal here to operate a vehicle with tire chains or studs that come in contact with the road surface.
Of course to decipher what's legal, illegal, you need a chart indicating what conditions are, where exactly you are, what date is on the calendar and so on. So, technically, they may be "legal" everywhere, but to comply with the law is far more complicated than you suggest.
They're legal where you live, great for you, evidently you feel very strongly about it. Have fun. |
As I already pointed out, they're legal where you live too. :D
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12/19/2008 04:09:44 PM · #63 |
Originally posted by bmartuch:
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Originally posted by Mick:
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Originally posted by Mick:
There's this new invention called "snow chains" that you should try. They work great. :D |
They don't work so hot on a bed-empty, 2WD small pickup though... Weight over axle is the main thing to add.
R. |
They're also illegal in many snow states. |
According to this they're not illegal in any state.
State Tire Chain Laws |
I know it's absolutely illegal for truckers to use them in Michigan.
It's also illegal here to operate a vehicle with tire chains or studs that come in contact with the road surface.
Of course to decipher what's legal, illegal, you need a chart indicating what conditions are, where exactly you are, what date is on the calendar and so on. So, technically, they may be "legal" everywhere, but to comply with the law is far more complicated than you suggest.
They're legal where you live, great for you, evidently you feel very strongly about it. Have fun. |
I know that chains or studs are illegal here in Michigan. |
As I already pointed out, that's simply not true.
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12/19/2008 04:29:47 PM · #64 |
Originally posted by Mick:
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Originally posted by Mick:
There's this new invention called "snow chains" that you should try. They work great. :D |
They don't work so hot on a bed-empty, 2WD small pickup though... Weight over axle is the main thing to add.
R. |
They're also illegal in many snow states. |
According to this they're not illegal in any state.
State Tire Chain Laws |
Hey, that's the link I posted a page ago! :P
:) |
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12/19/2008 04:34:51 PM · #65 |
Originally posted by Mick:
Originally posted by bmartuch:
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Originally posted by Mick:
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Originally posted by Mick:
There's this new invention called "snow chains" that you should try. They work great. :D |
They don't work so hot on a bed-empty, 2WD small pickup though... Weight over axle is the main thing to add.
R. |
They're also illegal in many snow states. |
According to this they're not illegal in any state.
State Tire Chain Laws |
I know it's absolutely illegal for truckers to use them in Michigan.
It's also illegal here to operate a vehicle with tire chains or studs that come in contact with the road surface.
Of course to decipher what's legal, illegal, you need a chart indicating what conditions are, where exactly you are, what date is on the calendar and so on. So, technically, they may be "legal" everywhere, but to comply with the law is far more complicated than you suggest.
They're legal where you live, great for you, evidently you feel very strongly about it. Have fun. |
I know that chains or studs are illegal here in Michigan. |
As I already pointed out, that's simply not true. |
Sorry Mick, I just called the Michigan State Police and asked them and they said that chains and studs are illegal in Michigan all the time. (989-777-3700) if you would like to check it out yourself.
Message edited by author 2008-12-19 16:35:21. |
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12/19/2008 04:42:55 PM · #66 |
Originally posted by bmartuch:
Originally posted by Mick:
Originally posted by bmartuch:
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Originally posted by Mick:
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Originally posted by Mick:
There's this new invention called "snow chains" that you should try. They work great. :D |
They don't work so hot on a bed-empty, 2WD small pickup though... Weight over axle is the main thing to add.
R. |
They're also illegal in many snow states. |
According to this they're not illegal in any state.
State Tire Chain Laws |
I know it's absolutely illegal for truckers to use them in Michigan.
It's also illegal here to operate a vehicle with tire chains or studs that come in contact with the road surface.
Of course to decipher what's legal, illegal, you need a chart indicating what conditions are, where exactly you are, what date is on the calendar and so on. So, technically, they may be "legal" everywhere, but to comply with the law is far more complicated than you suggest.
They're legal where you live, great for you, evidently you feel very strongly about it. Have fun. |
I know that chains or studs are illegal here in Michigan. |
As I already pointed out, that's simply not true. |
Sorry Mick, I just called the Michigan State Police and asked them and they said that chains and studs are illegal in Michigan all the time. (989-777-3700) if you would like to check it out yourself. |
Sorry, but you and the state police you spoke with are both wrong.
Michigan Vehicle Code FAQ - Are tire chains legal in Michigan?
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12/19/2008 04:45:58 PM · #67 |
Wow!
Go figure!
On a site selling tire chains, they say they're legal everywhere!
I got news for ya here in Pa.....that whole "Accordance & Promulgation" thing shakes down like this.....
IF....you put 'em on out in the country 'cause they're in your trunk, you have to get home, and there are no cops around, you probably won't get busted.
IF....you get caught with them on publicly maintained roads where there is, or has been, recent maintenance, be prepared to get a ticket.
You will find that most urban areas have ordinances against usuing tire chains as they tear the Hell out of roads.
That said, where I live, chains aren't really an issue 'cause once the snow gets deep enough to run 'em, snowmobiles run past my house more than cars!.....8>)
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12/19/2008 04:47:52 PM · #68 |
Dude....did you READ this?????
Question: Are tire chains legal in Michigan?
Answer: MCL 257.710 of the Michigan Vehicle Code covers the use of tire chains, and states that a person may "use a tire chain of reasonable proportion upon a vehicle when required for safety because of snow, ice, or other condition tending to cause a vehicle to skid." If used, the chain must not come in contact with the surface of the roadway.
What exactly do you think this means?
In pretty much every case, you'll find that state vehicle code can, and will, be overridden by local ordinances.
And local highway departments take a dim view of chains.
Message edited by author 2008-12-19 16:49:24.
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12/19/2008 04:48:27 PM · #69 |
Originally posted by Mick:
Originally posted by bmartuch:
Originally posted by Mick:
Originally posted by bmartuch:
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Originally posted by Mick:
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Originally posted by Mick:
There's this new invention called "snow chains" that you should try. They work great. :D |
They don't work so hot on a bed-empty, 2WD small pickup though... Weight over axle is the main thing to add.
R. |
They're also illegal in many snow states. |
According to this they're not illegal in any state.
State Tire Chain Laws |
I know it's absolutely illegal for truckers to use them in Michigan.
It's also illegal here to operate a vehicle with tire chains or studs that come in contact with the road surface.
Of course to decipher what's legal, illegal, you need a chart indicating what conditions are, where exactly you are, what date is on the calendar and so on. So, technically, they may be "legal" everywhere, but to comply with the law is far more complicated than you suggest.
They're legal where you live, great for you, evidently you feel very strongly about it. Have fun. |
I know that chains or studs are illegal here in Michigan. |
As I already pointed out, that's simply not true. |
Sorry Mick, I just called the Michigan State Police and asked them and they said that chains and studs are illegal in Michigan all the time. (989-777-3700) if you would like to check it out yourself. |
Sorry, but you and the state police you spoke with are both wrong.
Michigan Vehicle Code FAQ - Are tire chains legal in Michigan? |
I can see this argument being escalated to the DPC Supreme Court.  |
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12/19/2008 04:51:00 PM · #70 |
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
Wow!
Go figure!
On a site selling tire chains, they say they're legal everywhere!
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It's not like they're lying to you; they quote you the applicable laws.
Basically, though, it sounds like you can use them on SNOW pretty much anywhere, but many places restrict their use on bare pavement. Makes sense to me... |
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12/19/2008 04:51:52 PM · #71 |
Originally posted by Mick:
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Originally posted by Mick:
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Originally posted by Mick:
There's this new invention called "snow chains" that you should try. They work great. :D |
They don't work so hot on a bed-empty, 2WD small pickup though... Weight over axle is the main thing to add.
R. |
They're also illegal in many snow states. |
According to this they're not illegal in any state.
State Tire Chain Laws |
I know it's absolutely illegal for truckers to use them in Michigan.
It's also illegal here to operate a vehicle with tire chains or studs that come in contact with the road surface.
Of course to decipher what's legal, illegal, you need a chart indicating what conditions are, where exactly you are, what date is on the calendar and so on. So, technically, they may be "legal" everywhere, but to comply with the law is far more complicated than you suggest.
They're legal where you live, great for you, evidently you feel very strongly about it. Have fun. |
As I already pointed out, they're legal where you live too. :D |
I'll let you drive around here with them on your vehicle. You can fight with the court when you get pulled over and cited.
Let me know how that works out for you.
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12/19/2008 04:54:50 PM · #72 |
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
Wow!
Go figure!
On a site selling tire chains, they say they're legal everywhere!
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Originally posted by BeeCee:
It's not like they're lying to you; they quote you the applicable laws.
Basically, though, it sounds like you can use them on SNOW pretty much anywhere, but many places restrict their use on bare pavement. Makes sense to me... |
Yeah.....but it's a real general, real grey application.
I've worked in the car industry for the last forty years and chains have pretty much been phased out by all but heavy duty minicipal usage for at least 15 years.
They just caused too much damage both to roads and to vehicles.
They're expensive to buy, difficult to install and use properly, and downright dangerous to use over about 25 mph.
Really, really not a viable alternative for anything but the most extreme conditions.
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12/19/2008 04:58:49 PM · #73 |
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
Dude....did you READ this?????
Question: Are tire chains legal in Michigan?
Answer: MCL 257.710 of the Michigan Vehicle Code covers the use of tire chains, and states that a person may "use a tire chain of reasonable proportion upon a vehicle when required for safety because of snow, ice, or other condition tending to cause a vehicle to skid." If used, the chain must not come in contact with the surface of the roadway.
What exactly do you think this means? |
I think it means exactly what it says. Tire chains may be used when required for safety. Do you think it means something else?
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
In pretty much every case, you'll find that state vehicle code can, and will, be overridden by local ordinances. |
Then you should be able to show us these overriding local ordinances, right? Let's see 'em.
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
And local highway departments take a dim view of chains. |
Perhaps they do, but fortunately they don't make the laws.
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12/19/2008 05:05:53 PM · #74 |
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
Really, really not a viable alternative for anything but the most extreme conditions. |
In some locations you simply cannot drive without chains, so I totally disagree. Just out of curiosity, what do you think people should use instead of chains or studded tires?
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12/19/2008 05:34:58 PM · #75 |
Caution!
Originally posted by Mick:
Just out of curiosity, what do you think people should use instead of chains or studded tires? |
Message edited by author 2008-12-19 17:37:45. |
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