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12/17/2008 01:25:29 PM · #26 |
| I love being picky about word usage, just didn't realize it was part of my anal syndrome. - Of possible interest is one theory of its etymology: the Latin plagiarius meant kidnapper, plunderer, or seducer; the root is plaga, meaning trap or capture. Another theory is that it is from the Greek plaga which meant double dealing of some kind. In either case some sort of evil is afoot. (Thank you, Wikipedia). |
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12/17/2008 01:31:17 PM · #27 |
| If everyone arguing that "plagiarism" doesn't apply to anything other than writing had their way, we'd still be speaking Latin. |
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12/17/2008 01:41:17 PM · #28 |
Noted satirist Tom Lehrer detected a trend as far back as 1952, in his song Lobachevski:
Plagarize! Let no one else's work evade your eyes
Remember why the Good Lord made your eyes
So just plagarize, plagarize, PLAGARIZE!
Only be sure always to call it, please, "research" |
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12/17/2008 01:51:26 PM · #29 |
Plagarism was a topic of discussion at yesterday's KQED Forum program on Academic Cheating.
(Sorry Robt., no transcript available.) |
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12/17/2008 02:11:44 PM · #30 |
 Spazmo99 wrote:
"If everyone arguing that "plagiarism" doesn't apply to anything other than writing had their way, we'd still be speaking Latin."
But then at least we would know we were pillaging and plundering. |
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12/17/2008 02:22:08 PM · #31 |
OK, can I sue Irene for stealing from me? Of course hers is MUCH better and a wee bit different composition and all, but still.... !
Mine:
Irene's much better version:
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12/17/2008 02:27:27 PM · #32 |
Originally posted by sjl2116:
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You have a creative but relatively easy to reproduce shot. A company wants the shot but doesn't want to pay. The company produces a nearly identical copy and uses that, instead of the original, at a substantially lower cost. Is that plagarism? I seem to remeber a discussion about a situation similar to this with a yellow fashion photo with a hammer. |
I had something similar happen to me. Someone contacting me wanting to use an image of mine for a book cover. After quoting the price the person later contacted me saying he/she has a photog friend (who's still learning) who will try to reproduce the shot. It wasn't an elaborate setup by they liked the concept. Thanks for the honesty but that didn't feel good. I haven't made any $$$ from photography apart from a few prints sold via DPC Prints. Not complaining but I was hoping to get my shot there LOL. But was not ready to give away my image for free. |
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12/17/2008 02:43:13 PM · #33 |
Originally posted by Skip:
my all-time favorite photographer, Jack Leigh, successfully sued warner brothers for plagiarising an image of his. basically, he had been commissioned to capture an image for a book cover; when it came time to make the movie, warner bros didn't want to pay him for what he had created, and they hired another photog to essentially recreate leigh's image...
read about it here.
i know a photog who was fired for visual plagiarism; she had seen a photo and faithfully recreated it. it was rather embarrassing when her publication realized (too late) that basically the same image had been published by a competitor a few months earlier.
it's one thing to be inspired or to want to try to figure out how to do what someone else has done. it's another thing to act like you got there first when you know you didn't. |
Good read and definitely kinda changes my mind on the topic. If I try to reproduce a photo for the purposes of learning (like trying to reproduce a painting by one of the masters) then that's fine. If however I am attempting to reproduce the image so I don't have to pay the original artist or I try to claim that idea as my own? That's wrong. Pure and simple.
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12/17/2008 03:21:19 PM · #34 |
Originally posted by crayon:
what are the takes of DPC'ers on the topic of plagiarism, especially involving photographs |
Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. :) |
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12/17/2008 03:39:52 PM · #35 |
Originally posted by Techo:
Originally posted by sjl2116:
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You have a creative but relatively easy to reproduce shot. A company wants the shot but doesn't want to pay. The company produces a nearly identical copy and uses that, instead of the original, at a substantially lower cost. Is that plagarism? I seem to remeber a discussion about a situation similar to this with a yellow fashion photo with a hammer. |
I had something similar happen to me. Someone contacting me wanting to use an image of mine for a book cover. After quoting the price the person later contacted me saying he/she has a photog friend (who's still learning) who will try to reproduce the shot. It wasn't an elaborate setup by they liked the concept. Thanks for the honesty but that didn't feel good. I haven't made any $$$ from photography apart from a few prints sold via DPC Prints. Not complaining but I was hoping to get my shot there LOL. But was not ready to give away my image for free. |
There was a lawsuit in Europe where a photographer created some images of a couple and a man on a carousel and a company approached him about using those images, thought his price too high and hired another photographer to re-create the image based on a sketch the AD had made of the original. The Ad firm lost in court. |
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