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12/13/2008 03:56:33 AM · #1 |
I am not sure but I have yet to see a discussion about the masters challenge and/or FS challenges or other challenges with deep criticism. I am getting sick and tired (again) to see some good photos wasted and throwing away, and I can't say to much about it because I would hurt some feelings here (happened in the past). I see "gay rights" discussions, "religion" discussions, some other none photography related discussions... I have no problem with that but why do I feel bothered by letting my thoughts go out about the some results in some challenges? If I start something, (again in the past that happened) people here (most) look at me like I am saying something really to hurt people, or attacking their work for no reason... I hear "let it go, that's what DPC voted, and that's what it will stay". Yes, votes casted, results came out, but I don't think (personally) "all" the winners or runner ups are good enough (against their followers) to be their current places... and somehow I don't hear anything about it... done, finish.. on to the next, but let's talk about gays and religions and some silly video we see on the internet.
Whatever... since I can't talk about photography (exaggerating a little here), that's it what I would say. My thoughts will be shared with a few via PM, but I had to let this one out of my chest anyway.
PS: I have to just make sure you get my point, I do not have any problems whatever people talk here... I have a problem why can't we critique the winners and tell what we think about them without getting hammered... that's all. |
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12/13/2008 04:20:53 AM · #2 |
Originally posted by FocusPoint:
I see "gay rights" discussions, "religion" discussions, some other none photography related discussions... I have no problem with that but why do I feel bothered by letting my thoughts go out about the some results in some challenges? |
Your thoughts won't bother me a bit. Let 'em loose. ;)
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12/13/2008 07:21:36 AM · #3 |
Post a few that you think are well underrated. I'm usually pretty vocal about that stuff but by not picking out...singling out overrated images does help keep the site on the safe, civil side of things.
FWIW, while I like some of the top placers but I also feel that a good deal of them are wildly overrated and generally lack originality which is something I value a great deal. I'll also go out on a limb and say that many of the winners are average photos of great ideas where the photography part...or using the camera creatively is secondary to the idea. Technically sound but nothing far from that. So in terms of Photography as an art, there's a lot of innocuous stuff that doesn't challenge the form.
That's probably my pet peeve with the site. People who try to use the camera itself (not PS) in a creative way often get killed. What I consider photography, is washed out...not entirely, but seriously misunderstood by a good deal of the voters.
Message edited by author 2008-12-13 07:56:24. |
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12/13/2008 07:46:41 AM · #4 |
There's the Posthumous Ribbons thread where we're still posting "underrated" or at least different entries from the challenges. Or do you want to do more - ie discuss why those strike a chord with some, but not all viewers, and if striking a chord with all viewers is even desirable in some instances? If you want to constructively critique some of the top scoring shots, I think that can be done as well. Most of the folks in that category are pretty confident in their abilities and can take it, I would suspect.
I agree there aren't enough threads about photography here - I've pretty much quit reading most of the rants (they just keep going in the same circles). But this thread needs pictures! |
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12/13/2008 10:47:03 AM · #5 |
I started a thread for this: Underrated Masters Entries
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12/13/2008 12:20:10 PM · #6 |
Bear, although we are in similar boat with this one, my argument would be not only to masters but FS, and weekly challenges as well. I would focus heavily on the masters and latest FS, because there are a few obvious ones. As you said, they all are good photos, but there should be discussion and arguments on runner winners and ups, why they were the winners and runner ups, critique them against their followers.
Here is the what aggravates me: If I say something, even nicely, and say "you know, me and 56 friends think that this photo should not be that high standing, because this and this photos are much better represented and they have much better feeling of "Master" or "art" or "unique" feelings" I'd get bombarded with, why am I doing this, why am I hurting the feelings of winners, because it's not their fault, voters gave them scores, stop bashing people... blah blah blah and they stone me with everything they got... happened before.
So, to keep my head safe, I can tell you what frustrates me, but I can't get into details. The rest is up to you to agree with me, in general, or disagree, but you won't be yelling at me because I hurt someone's feelings here. |
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12/13/2008 12:29:37 PM · #7 |
| Leo, you don't need to say a particular photo shouldn't be so high standing, because you're right - voters voted and that's where it ended up. But I do think we can discuss WHY it ended up there, and in relation to that, why something several pages back might be a better or more interesting photograph. Make sense? |
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12/13/2008 12:30:47 PM · #8 |
I think discussion on any and all would be fair game-- I don't think you should be suprised if a majority of the population 'scold' you for critically discussing(or criticizing) a high scoring entry. After all, it scored highly because a majority of the site participants believed it to be worthy of praise.
But don't let that stop you... ;) Put on your asbestos suit!
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12/13/2008 12:57:26 PM · #9 |
I can appreciate what you're getting at and, as a less experienced photographer here, I'm sure I'd learn a great deal from following such a thread. I can also understand why doing such a thread would generate animosity from the majority of people who voted those shots as their favorites and I think it's human nature for most people to get defensive if their judgment is questioned.
So, the only way I see the sort of discussions happening that you suggest should be happening is if someone with good analytical skills has a thick enough hide to start off such discussions until they become as accepted as posthumous threads are. It certainly would be like spitting into the wind at first and it would most likely hurt some feelings. Still, imho such an effort would be useful to the overall community as an educational tool since it would be a chance for people to clearly articulate what made certain photos better than others in their minds. Meanwhile, lowly photg's like me would just eat up such useful insights.
Here's my somewhat tongue-in-cheek thought: Create a thread called "Minority Report: Why All Y'all Were Wrong" and invite brave souls who voted differently than the outcome to make their case. |
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