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12/10/2008 10:58:55 AM · #51 |
| And, I am no expert, trust me on this, but what I do and or say in my comments is what i feel and what I see. I could be totally wrong when I do say something, but you know what, it doesn't matter a bit. |
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12/10/2008 11:01:44 AM · #52 |
Originally posted by togtog:
Personally I mark comments that have put in effort, best shown with examples.
Note, these are made up examples and in no way are meant to refer to or suggest any relation to any pre-existing or further comment on mine or any other photographers photos.
Helpful examples:
"Your lighting is good but the background ruins this completely."
"I love this shot." - borderline but helpful since it is encouraging me to keep entering.
"I like the angle you used for this shot. It looks like the person is about to crush you."
"This entry is a hoot, I haven't laughed that hard in years."
"I wish you would have tried this with a blue light instead."
"This shot is boring, it doesn't really capture me, not colorful, just kind of average, sorry."
"Too much red!"
"Needs sharpening badly."
"Cute model, ugly dog."
Not Helpful examples:
"Why did you even bother entering if this was your best shot, you are wasting everyone's time."
"This sucks, 1"
"The challenge is Fish of The Sea and you entered a picture of tuna sandwich? I mean, I get the connection, but I don't consider this a fish, and I don't see the ocean, it is food. DNMC." - tuna is a fish, they are applying a standard unrealistically high
"I haven't calibrated my monitor but this looks way too dark for me."
"This would have looked better if you would have put more effort into it. Next time don't wait until last minute." - this person has no knowledge of the effort or time this shot took and just assumes it was a hack job.
"DNMC!"
"no"
But this is just my personal system, everyone has their own. Probably going to kick off a war because I used specifics. :P |
your examples help...I sometimes struggle with a photo and want to say something..but just don't know what....and putting...."your photo just doesn't interest me"...is rude...to my way of thinking (warped thou it maybe).
not to stir the pot as such...but I think I am picking up on some voting scales here as well...I am a little scared to ask the question...but what "scale" do you use...I use the 1-10....someone in the challenge will get a 1 as they are not the best of the lot...and someone will get the 9/10 (10 is reserved for the curl your toes photo)....oh, I am buckling my seat belt... |
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12/10/2008 11:13:20 AM · #53 |
Originally posted by JulietNN:
Well, if you are stuck on a shot and have no idea what to say, you could email me the title, I will look at it, I will tell you what I wrote and you can see it from my point of view. In doing that, you may see something that I do not and pick up on that.
And as an added bonus, you will get to join the 100% comment club cos you commented on all the photos in that one challenge.
I will not vote in this challenge, just comment. |
ok, I will not have a chance to wk on this until tonight...but I will give it a shot....I am presently working on another one that has 160 +/- shots.... but I will try this out tonight... |
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12/10/2008 11:17:12 AM · #54 |
I don't vote often any longer and never in challenges that I am in, others feel differently and that is cool.
I use the whole scale with the extremes being rare. Usually I vote about 4-6, 3 for obvious technical mistakes, out of focus, 1-2 I reserve for the rare occasion I honestly believe the photographer just took a random shot and entered it, or the image is too blurred to tell what it is. 7 I assign to any shot that clearly stands out from the others and invokes a feeling of wow, 8 for in addition great difficulty in capture or set up, 9 and 10 are also very rare and usually means it is an instant favorite or I want a print made of it.
It is all very subjective though, more feeling than science in my case. Some people assign a point system to their votes, 1 point for good title, 2 points for good lighting, 2 points for clear meaning, etc. with a total of 10 points to assign. Nothing wrong with that system either, I find it too tedious personally but it is nice others can devote the time to it.
I hope I am being more help than hindrance here, I am a tad past my bedtime and a little fuzzy. :) |
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12/10/2008 11:19:31 AM · #55 |
Originally posted by Ja-9:
your examples help...I sometimes struggle with a photo and want to say something..but just don't know what....and putting...."your photo just doesn't interest me"...is rude...to my way of thinking (warped thou it maybe).
not to stir the pot as such...but I think I am picking up on some voting scales here as well...I am a little scared to ask the question...but what "scale" do you use...I use the 1-10....someone in the challenge will get a 1 as they are not the best of the lot...and someone will get the 9/10 (10 is reserved for the curl your toes photo)....oh, I am buckling my seat belt... |
I agree that his examples help...sometimes i see comments that i interpretate as unnecessary. I just think those examples were easy to judge hehe...
Look at mine: You have a shot at the Macro challenge and some people throw comments like "it's a orange!!" or "a chocolate". Those are not critics and doesn't help me at all, i just see that people got what was the object. What would be your atitude? Helpfull or not helpfull?
See where i'm trying to get? I want to know the totally impartial comments.
And i asked something earlier...To receive the critique club comment you just have to mark the option or i have to do another things? |
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12/10/2008 11:20:50 AM · #56 |
Originally posted by Ja-9:
[quote=togtog] not to stir the pot as such...but I think I am picking up on some voting scales here as well...I am a little scared to ask the question...but what "scale" do you use... |
Apology accepted, I didn't understand why you were getting on us all either. Now it makes sense.
In answer to your above quoted question, here is how I vote.
1-totally sucks, blurry grainy, unidentifiable. I don't think I've ever given a 1
2- brown ribbon for sure. Grainy, blurry, lots of artifacts, shadows and blown highlights. lousy snapshot
3- The average snapshot someone takes if they don't know anything about photography. Or an entry from  Whiterook (He's awesome, BTW. Has quite a fan base here.)
4- basic exposure and composition is good and shows effort and some knowledge. A decent effort, but lacking somehow compared to other DPC stuff.
5- A good shot, but nothing that stands out over the rest. No shame in getting a 5. Something that averages in the high 5's will probably get wowed over elsewhere.
6- Something stands out to me about this one. Really liking it.
7- Really good stuff.
8- Getting into "WOW" territory. 50% chance I will fave this.
9- How to you do it? Do you have a life outside photography?
10- I am in awe.
Other factors:
-If I feel the entry does not meet the challenge topic (a.k.a. a "shoehorn" entry) I will rate it on the quality of the shot, but then deduct 1-3 points depending on how far off base I think it is. If I am the only one that feels that way, then my slightly lower vote won't hurt it much.
-Sometimes an extra point for an outstandingly creative idea, but an average shot.
-I often give a lower vote for visible compression artifacts that could have been easily avoided. If there are visible artifacts and a small file size, I will ding you. I have often low voted high scoring images for this when everyone else wows over it. If I ding you on this, I will leave a comment about it, so that you know why it got that low vote from me.
-Although personal taste is part of the process, I try to rate on the quality of the photo. If I don't personally care for it, but still think it is good work, I won't low vote it.
Many others are similar, but there ar others who use different criteria. One member I know of will give no more than a 2 if he does not percieve what he calls "artistic intent". Others will give you the lowest vote possible if it does not meet their definition of the challenge.
Here's another thread that may help you to understand this crazy site: The unauthorized beginners guide to DPC
Message edited by author 2008-12-10 11:23:24. |
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12/10/2008 11:29:17 AM · #57 |
Originally posted by yospiff:
Other factors:
-If I feel the entry does not meet the challenge topic (a.k.a. a "shoehorn" entry) I will rate it on the quality of the shot, but then deduct 1-3 points depending on how far off base I think it is. If I am the only one that feels that way, then my slightly lower vote won't hurt it much.
-Sometimes an extra point for an outstandingly creative idea, but an average shot.
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That totally applies to me! |
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12/10/2008 11:30:16 AM · #58 |
Originally posted by Ja-9:
ok, I will not have a chance to wk on this until tonight...but I will give it a shot....I am presently working on another one that has 160 +/- shots.... but I will try this out tonight... |
Hey I can knock out 160+ shots in about 5 hours, so I will do this one with you.
is it the sunrise , sunset challenge???? Cos that one is a toughy one to comment on, as they are all sunrises and sunset lol
Message edited by author 2008-12-10 11:34:04. |
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12/10/2008 11:32:56 AM · #59 |
Originally posted by pedrobop:
I agree that his examples help...sometimes i see comments that i interpretate as unnecessary. I just think those examples were easy to judge hehe...
Look at mine: You have a shot at the Macro challenge and some people throw comments like "it's a orange!!" or "a chocolate". Those are not critics and doesn't help me at all, i just see that people got what was the object. What would be your atitude? Helpfull or not helpfull?
See where i'm trying to get? I want to know the totally impartial comments.
And i asked something earlier...To receive the critique club comment you just have to mark the option or i have to do another things? |
Ahhaha, that is a tough one. I'd say if it was a puzzle macro challenge then helpful since they figured it out, seems fair even if not technically helpful advice. If it was a regular macro challenge or macro in a general challenge than it really isn't helpful in my opinion.
I see someone has replied before me because I am taking too long so I will assume the critique club comment has been answered but just in case. Yes all you need to do is check the box, however, there are a limited number of critique members and as such they may take a while, maybe over a month or longer, to comment on an entry. It depends on how many other people have also requested them that week/month.
Hope this helps!
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12/10/2008 11:36:50 AM · #60 |
| Thanks! I didn't see the awnser! Just newcomer's doubts! hehe |
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12/10/2008 06:25:14 PM · #61 |
I find it hard to comment on the photographs, it is easy with the ones that I like. But the ones that I don't like or find offensive or repetative are so hard to comment on...I try to comment, on my top picks, although I find it hard to comment on my least favorite ones (as I am afraid I will offend someone), do you have any words of wisdom here???? -quote from Ja-9
You could start off by saying something you like about the picture...(comp color..subject..lighting...) then add your dislikes. Example: "I really like the composition of the image but I really don't care for the subject"...OR "The subject is a great idea, meets challenge, but if you used better lighting it would have enhanced it". Decide if the image fits the challenge even if you like the pic or not. or if there is nothing you find intriguing, simply skip, or just say "not thrilled about the subject but you pulled it off",(or not). and if it is really that bad in your eyes just skip it and don't beat your self up for not voting 100%. There will be others.
There will always be repetative pictures, some try to stear clear of trying to repeat, some love to perfect the repetative subjects (just depends). I'm sure its common to run into pics your not thrilled about voting on, there are many more parts of a picture to vote on other than the subject alone. Thats what I do when I come accross a picture I do not like, I look at all the other parts, and it helps me to determine the quality of the shot, and try to figure where the photog is coming from.
I'm not the greatest one for advise, though, either because my comments could use some more creativity..I use it all on my images......Hope some of this helps with making comments.
Message edited by author 2008-12-10 18:28:38. |
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12/10/2008 07:45:11 PM · #62 |
| To the OP: You are off to a good start with the commenting. Geez!, we give you a little encouragement, and it's MY entry you choose to pick on! I'm still looking for the OOF part of it, by the way. (I may ask for some clarification of that after the challenge...) |
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12/10/2008 08:10:58 PM · #63 |
Originally posted by pedrobop:
Question: When you receive comments, you mark all of them as helpfull (because some people do) or just the ones that really helped you? Is it rude not to mark the ones that say good things about your photo but doesn't give you any advice? |
regarding this, i simply uses the "this comment was helpful" box as a flag on comments that i have read. so each time i look at my profile and i see i've got non-tally numbers of comments received and comments i have marked, i know i have new comments in one of my photos. but of course, to those who left me comments, please be known that i enjoyed all of them, even the nasty ones :) |
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12/10/2008 09:09:14 PM · #64 |
Originally posted by yospiff:
To the OP: You are off to a good start with the commenting. Geez!, we give you a little encouragement, and it's MY entry you choose to pick on! I'm still looking for the OOF part of it, by the way. (I may ask for some clarification of that after the challenge...) |
well, you will be happy to know that I voted on all the photos today (no bells or whistles went off or anything...hmmm)...glad I picked this challange (as I happen to really like sunset/sunrise's) ...the fill light would be the toughest...my daughter and I breezed through that (to pre-view/not vote, get those feathers down) and we just don't get most of the pictures...there might only be 79 but they would be the toughest 79 as some of them I just don't see the fill light at all or what makes them "fill light" eahhhhhh |
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