ZERO EDITING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Nikon AF-S Nikkor 70-200mm f/2.8G ED VR II

11/29/2008 07:27:06 PM · #1

LETS SEE HOW GOOD YOUR PICTURES LOOK WHEN THERE IS NO EDITING BESIDES CONVERTING TO JPEG!!!!!, I am with you whoever else suggested this one!!!!!!

Minimal rules: No raw, jpeg only, resize once, sharpen once(no USM or smart sharpen), no fixing sensor dust either. And rotating is only allowed to be in 90 degree increments.(jdannels)

Message edited by author 2008-11-29 20:05:42.

MattO

Nikon D4

11/29/2008 07:30:39 PM · #2

Originally posted by Physics_McG:

LETS SEE HOW GOOD YOUR PICTURES LOOK WHEN THERE IS NO EDITING BESIDES CONVERTING TO JPEG!!!!!, I am with you whoever else suggested this one!!!!!!

You mean with these rules.

Matt

11/29/2008 07:32:21 PM · #3

Originally posted by MattO:

Originally posted by Physics_McG:
LETS SEE HOW GOOD YOUR PICTURES LOOK WHEN THERE IS NO EDITING BESIDES CONVERTING TO JPEG!!!!!, I am with you whoever else suggested this one!!!!!!

You mean with these rules.

Matt

I mean the only thing you are allowed to do is convert it to jpeg and resize, that is what I mean

Nikon AF-S NIKKOR 24-70mm f/2.8G ED

11/29/2008 07:37:24 PM · #4

Originally posted by Physics_McG:

I mean the only thing you are allowed to do is convert it to jpeg and resize, that is what I mean

If the image is not already a JPG straight out of the camera, then it is a RAW image, and "convert to JPG" allows a HOST of options, most of which represent options available on the in-camera menus. In other wrods, if REQUIRED to shoot in JPG then you have to set these parameters before hand, if allowed to convert to JPG you can experiment after the fact.

Your proposal has no merit whatsoever; you apparently do not understand the processes involved.

R.

chromeydome

Nikon D7000

11/29/2008 07:40:37 PM · #5

Originally posted by Bear_Music:

Your proposal has no merit whatsoever; you apparently do not understand the processes involved.

R.

but it was in ALL CAPS, WITH LOTS OF EXCLAMATION POINTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

surely that earns it some merit?

End Snark

snaffles

Nikon D7100

Nikon AF-S DX NIKKOR 18-200mm f/3.5-5.6G ED VR II

11/29/2008 07:42:21 PM · #6

I think in Minimal Editing you're allowed to convert from RAW, and rotate...and that's it. Unless rules have since changed, you can't even crop.

jdannels

Nikon D300s

Sigma 30mm f/1.4 EX DC HSM for Nikon

11/29/2008 07:44:37 PM · #7

Originally posted by snaffles:

I think in Minimal Editing you're allowed to convert from RAW, and rotate...and that's it. Unless rules have since changed, you can't even crop.

Minimal rules: No raw, jpeg only, resize once, and only use the sharpen tool which has no parameters(no USM or smart sharpen), no fixing sensor dust either. And rotating is only allowed to be in 90 degree increments.

Message edited by author 2008-11-29 19:46:35.

Nikon AF-S DX NIKKOR 18-200mm f/3.5-5.6G ED VR II

11/29/2008 07:51:46 PM · #8

Originally posted by Physics_McG:

LETS SEE HOW GOOD YOUR PICTURES LOOK WHEN THERE IS NO EDITING BESIDES CONVERTING TO JPEG!!!!!, I am with you whoever else suggested this one!!!!!!

The constant whining from people who don't know how to use the amazing and wonderful tools available becomes pretty tiresome after a while.

So.....just be that exceptional, traditional photographer and
show us how it's done.

Surely the work will stand out on its own merits.

snaffles

Nikon D7100

11/29/2008 07:54:57 PM · #9

*Ahem* there are many photogs on the site who do not do ANY pp'ing on their shots, and take amazing pix. Start with

RayEthier and go from there.

And thank you

jdannels for setting me straight, cause I pretty much shoot RAW exclusively nowadays.

Message edited by author 2008-11-29 19:56:07.

Nikon AF-S DX Zoom-Nikkor 17-55mm f/2.8G IF-ED

11/29/2008 07:57:20 PM · #10

Ok, yeah, jdannels, that sounds good!!!!!

smichener

Nikon D300

11/29/2008 07:58:09 PM · #11

And as I learned by my last DQ you have to work on a copy of the jpg file because the original isn't saved automatically as it is with a RAW file.

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11/29/2008 07:59:03 PM · #12

and nikon jeb, i am not whining, just want to see what pictures look like with no editing, geez

ambaker

Canon EF 70-200mm f/2.8L USM

11/29/2008 07:59:22 PM · #13

Anybody ever notice that the people who like to do a lot of post processing get all huffy when someone suggests minimal editing, and that the people who like to do it all in camera, get all huffy when someone suggests allowing more post processing?

Maybe, just maybe, if they left each other alone, there could peace in the middle east... ;-)

After all, neither one has to participate in the other's challenge. But they sure go get all wound up about it. Must be all that turkey sitting bad on the stomachs.

11/29/2008 08:08:27 PM · #14

Originally posted by Physics_McG:

and nikon jeb, i am not whining, just want to see what pictures look like with no editing, geez

Then spend some time here on the site, get to know some of the various photogs, find your way to some of the old challenges that will have what you like in them......

Signing up and wandering around squawking at everyone about how things ought to be done isn't going to get you any better at what you want......assuming you came here to learn......

Look at the images in the Minimal challenges; street photography, the B&W challenges......you're going to find mostly NON-pped or very minimally processed work that should satisfy even the staunchest traditionalist.

One other thing that you may try to understand......when post-processing is very well done, most often the idea is to make the image such that it doesn't look like it's been PhotoShopped to death.

11/29/2008 08:13:22 PM · #15

Originally posted by ambaker:

Yeah, and I don't get that.

You can learn so much here from so many different ways of doing this wonderful thing.

I didn't even have PhotoShop when I got here, and you couldn't force me to do B&W.

Now I even work the tonal ranges in my HDR converter on some of my B&W images.

Most importantly, I'm learning the basics, too.

I just picked up a tip on basic composition this morning.

LOVE this place!

11/29/2008 08:25:28 PM · #16

Originally posted by snaffles:

And thank you jdannels for setting me straight, cause I pretty much shoot RAW exclusively nowadays.

Hrmmph... I said it first! Jejejeâ�¢

R.

11/29/2008 08:28:17 PM · #17

Originally posted by NikonJeb:

Geesh, just wait til you show up here for your extended course. Be prepared to trade Jeep tuneup...

R.

Nikon AF-S NIKKOR 24-70mm f/2.8G ED

11/29/2008 08:33:08 PM · #18

Originally posted by Physics_McG:

and nikon jeb, i am not whining, just want to see what pictures look like with no editing, geez

It's VERY important to be aware that setting the in-camera parameters is tantamount to "editing"; in JPG ypu can set your parameters for more or less contrast...saturation...sharpness....etc. This is ALL "editing. Even if you WANT to shoot "straight" JPGs as a matter of principle, the best way to learn HOW to do this is to shoot RAW and adjust the parameters in the RAW converter, so you can get real-time feedback on what each parameter does to the image...

R.

chromeydome

Nikon D7000

11/29/2008 08:40:59 PM · #19

As has been famously said*

The negative is the score, the print is the performance.

So, as Bear has so correctly noted, lots of settings are applied by the photographer and/or the camera's jpeg conversion firmware when converting the data from the sensor to a jpeg. I suppose if one really wanted to shoot "straight" or "pure" one would need to be committed to only using unaltered RAW images. Which would sort of miss the point of the thing entirely, I think.

*wonder who will be first to identify who said it? :-))

Message edited by author 2008-11-29 20:41:32.

11/29/2008 08:45:14 PM · #20

Originally posted by Bear_Music:

Geesh, just wait til you show up here for your extended course. Be prepared to trade Jeep tuneup...

R.

No problemo!!!!

Lessee....drop ship SVO crate motor, coupla Auburn diffs, rear disc conversion......

You gotta MIG welder, right?

Nikon AF-S DX Zoom-Nikkor 17-55mm f/2.8G IF-ED

11/29/2008 08:47:37 PM · #21

Originally posted by Physics_McG:

and nikon jeb, i am not whining, just want to see what pictures look like with no editing, geez

Originally posted by Bear_Music:

I was just talking with a friend of mine this morning who's had her D80 for a couple of months now......we figure that we'll take one feature a month to learn how to use......and we probably won't live long enough to cover all the available features we have!

smichener

Nikon D300

11/29/2008 08:49:47 PM · #22

Originally posted by NikonJeb:

You can learn so much here from so many different ways of doing this wonderful thing.
I didn't even have PhotoShop when I got here, and you couldn't force me to do B&W.
Now I even work the tonal ranges in my HDR converter on some of my B&W images.
Most importantly, I'm learning the basics, too.
I just picked up a tip on basic composition this morning.
LOVE this place!

Couldn't agree more. It's all good. From getting the best composed in camera shot, to PP in a way that presents a "natural" looking image. So many skills to learn that all complement each other. That's why this is a great hobby for so many of us.

Eventually I'll learn lighting and get that shadow off my face.

Message edited by author 2008-11-29 20:51:55.

snaffles

Nikon D7100

Nikon AF-S DX NIKKOR 18-200mm f/3.5-5.6G ED VR II

11/29/2008 09:11:36 PM · #23

Easy there Bear ol' boy...and apparently now the thread's creator has suddenly become aware of the parameters of Minimal editing! :-0