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 11/23/2008 02:40:56 AM · #1
Here in the land Down Under In The fabulous state of Queensland a local paper is running a Summer Festival of Photography,and I believed this would be a great new challenge for IreneM as the first subject is water. See insert from paper.

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Umm you may have to be staying in Australia to enter, going on a trip down under?
 11/23/2008 02:45:32 AM · #2
Queensland should move to Germany instead... this is IreneM we are talking about, she is super famous ;)
 11/23/2008 07:08:38 AM · #3
Originally posted by BrianR:
Here in the land Down Under In The fabulous state of Queensland a local paper is running a Summer Festival of Photography,and I believed this would be a great new challenge for IreneM as the first subject is water. See insert from paper.

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Umm you may have to be staying in Australia to enter, going on a trip down under?

Wow, I wonder what kind of rig that photographer used for dropping the ring. I bet that shot also took some high-tech trigger work rather than the patient drip, drip, drip eyeball timer Irene uses. ;)
 11/23/2008 10:14:13 AM · #4
Irene should try it out.

Also...that newspaper features a pic of a water drop going through a glass ring and splashing back up. Very nice shot. It says it was done by a pro...etc....

What it doesn't say is that to get that one great shot, there were likely hundreds of throw aways !

Originally posted by BrianR:
Here in the land Down Under In The fabulous state of Queensland a local paper is running a Summer Festival of Photography,and I believed this would be a great new challenge for IreneM as the first subject is water. See insert from paper.

[thumb]741213[/thumb]

Umm you may have to be staying in Australia to enter, going on a trip down under?
11/23/2008 12:24:41 PM · #5
Maybe some of her secrets just got revealed here also. The caption under mentions the use of glycerin and soap.
 11/23/2008 02:59:17 PM · #6
Originally posted by kenskid:
Irene should try it out.

Also...that newspaper features a pic of a water drop going through a glass ring and splashing back up. Very nice shot. It says it was done by a pro...etc....

What it doesn't say is that to get that one great shot, there were likely hundreds of throw aways !

Originally posted by BrianR:
Here in the land Down Under In The fabulous state of Queensland a local paper is running a Summer Festival of Photography,and I believed this would be a great new challenge for IreneM as the first subject is water. See insert from paper.

[thumb]741213[/thumb]

Umm you may have to be staying in Australia to enter, going on a trip down under?


And if you read the fine print...you can only enter if you are an Amateur...and if you win...you get a certificate....hehehehehehe!!!
 11/24/2008 06:11:21 AM · #7
Originally posted by NstiG8tr:
Maybe some of her secrets just got revealed here also. The caption under mentions the use of glycerin and soap.

I've never used glycerin or soap (or a trigger, for that matter). Only, as JMart says, my drip, drip, drip eyeball timer ;-)
 11/24/2008 07:22:27 AM · #8
Originally posted by JMart:

Wow, I wonder what kind of rig that photographer used for dropping the ring. I bet that shot also took some high-tech trigger work rather than the patient drip, drip, drip eyeball timer Irene uses. ;)


My guess is the ring was floating on the water and the drop was dropped through it and it got lifted on the recoil. I doubt it was dropped. Just a guess.
11/24/2008 07:26:33 AM · #9
Originally posted by Davenit:
Originally posted by JMart:

Wow, I wonder what kind of rig that photographer used for dropping the ring. I bet that shot also took some high-tech trigger work rather than the patient drip, drip, drip eyeball timer Irene uses. ;)


My guess is the ring was floating on the water and the drop was dropped through it and it got lifted on the recoil. I doubt it was dropped. Just a guess.


Spot on.
 11/24/2008 10:19:59 AM · #10
Originally posted by Davenit:
Originally posted by JMart:

Wow, I wonder what kind of rig that photographer used for dropping the ring. I bet that shot also took some high-tech trigger work rather than the patient drip, drip, drip eyeball timer Irene uses. ;)


My guess is the ring was floating on the water and the drop was dropped through it and it got lifted on the recoil. I doubt it was dropped. Just a guess.

i would have guessed at a hidden rod holding up the ring just behind the splash ...
 11/24/2008 12:12:29 PM · #11
The photographer Martin Waugh, was who inspired me to give the water drops a try. He was on a show called Time Warp (on Discovery channel) and he made it look so easy (it's really not). You should check out his work. My favorite is the Smirnoff ad he did, here's the link to that ad; smirnoff ad
 11/24/2008 12:39:53 PM · #12
Originally posted by icu1965:
The photographer Martin Waugh, was who inspired me to give the water drops a try. He was on a show called Time Warp (on Discovery channel) and he made it look so easy (it's really not). You should check out his work. My favorite is the Smirnoff ad he did, here's the link to that ad; smirnoff ad


Here's a kid on deviantart who showed his setup in his dorm room. //sanlotsaints.deviantart.com/gallery/

Great stuff.
11/24/2008 12:43:55 PM · #13
Originally posted by icu1965:
The photographer Martin Waugh, was who inspired me to give the water drops a try. He was on a show called Time Warp (on Discovery channel) and he made it look so easy (it's really not). You should check out his work. My favorite is the Smirnoff ad he did, here's the link to that ad; smirnoff ad


yah i saw that episode a few weeks back. it makes me not even want to try any more water drop shots, the equipment was uber high tech (at least it looked like it to me). any photo i could take would just suck in comparison
 11/24/2008 01:36:10 PM · #14
Originally posted by JDubsgirl:


yah i saw that episode a few weeks back. it makes me not even want to try any more water drop shots, the equipment was uber high tech (at least it looked like it to me). any photo i could take would just suck in comparison [/quote]

I saw it too. Very cool. They needed really high powered lamps to have enough light for the high speed video camera. He used a siphon sort of device to tweek the drops. Reviewing the clip on youtube, the new piece of info I got was the timing of the falling drops to 10drops per sec. hmmm, interesting.

//www.youtube.com/watch?v=ql3tPpv1Mz0

and these are the cameras they use //www.photron.com

Message edited by author 2008-11-24 13:37:40.
 11/24/2008 01:39:42 PM · #15
edit: nevermind I didn't see the correct video.

Message edited by author 2008-11-24 14:37:21.
 11/24/2008 01:40:15 PM · #16
10 drops a second?!?! is that even humanly possible without a machine of some sort?
 11/24/2008 01:43:39 PM · #17
so how do you calculate when to drop the second drop if you want it to collide with the first. to make that strange UFO sort of look. like Irenes photo here
 11/24/2008 01:46:08 PM · #18
Originally posted by Techo:
Originally posted by JDubsgirl:


yah i saw that episode a few weeks back. it makes me not even want to try any more water drop shots, the equipment was uber high tech (at least it looked like it to me). any photo i could take would just suck in comparison


I saw it too. Very cool. They needed really high powered lamps to have enough light for the high speed video camera. He used a siphon sort of device to tweek the drops. Reviewing the clip on youtube, the new piece of info I got was the timing of the falling drops to 10drops per sec. hmmm, interesting.

//www.youtube.com/watch?v=ql3tPpv1Mz0

and these are the cameras they use //www.photron.com
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aaaghh.. that explains much
// i can see how to do it repeatedly now ..
need to get back to my lab ....

Message edited by author 2008-11-24 13:46:29.
 11/24/2008 01:48:04 PM · #19
Originally posted by JDubsgirl:
so how do you calculate when to drop the second drop if you want it to collide with the first. to make that strange UFO sort of look. like Irenes photo here


use a good timer to wait the .1 sec (+ falling distance) between drops
 11/24/2008 01:51:54 PM · #20
Originally posted by ralph:
Originally posted by JDubsgirl:
so how do you calculate when to drop the second drop if you want it to collide with the first. to make that strange UFO sort of look. like Irenes photo here


use a good timer to wait the .1 sec (+ falling distance) between drops


so .1 plus say, 10 inches. so 1.1 seconds? yeh im confused i think
 11/24/2008 02:00:29 PM · #21
Originally posted by JDubsgirl:

use a good timer to wait the .1 sec (+ falling distance) between drops

so .1 plus say, 10 inches. so 1.1 seconds? yeh im confused i think


umm not quite bit o'physics

(2d/a)^(1/2) is the time
or sqrt (2*.3m/9.8)= .24 sec (+ .1 sec for the time between drops )

you will notice in the video he has the drops starting from ~1meter which would be .32 sec + .1

timing is everything ;)
another thought .. to time accurately, you trigger at some point in the middle of the travel - that way you don't care about the drop hanging on or slight changes
so when i''m measuring i'm in the 70ms -100ms range (the slow travel is up near the start)
should still be possible to time a second drop at .1 plus anything ;)
I need a second timer .. hmm..


Message edited by author 2008-11-24 14:37:43.
 11/24/2008 04:54:24 PM · #22
Originally posted by sempermarine:
Originally posted by Davenit:
Originally posted by JMart:

Wow, I wonder what kind of rig that photographer used for dropping the ring. I bet that shot also took some high-tech trigger work rather than the patient drip, drip, drip eyeball timer Irene uses. ;)


My guess is the ring was floating on the water and the drop was dropped through it and it got lifted on the recoil. I doubt it was dropped. Just a guess.


Spot on.

Sorry, I don't think so. Otherwise there would have been a secondary wave pattern from the recoil of water that would have fallen back from the ring as it went up. Also, it's a glass ring, so it would have sank. I think it was just a matter of Drop>Ring>Drop at about .05 intervals. Perhaps he had the ring around the dropper, did the drops .1 apart and just had to get the timing down to drop the ring between them. I'm very curious to know.
 11/24/2008 06:19:40 PM · #23
OH! So THAT'S how it's done....!
 11/24/2008 07:57:30 PM · #24
Wouldn't it be easiest to put the ring in place and then drop the water through it? There's no reason they couldn't have rigged it up with wire or thread and cloned it out.
 11/24/2008 08:06:16 PM · #25
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
Wouldn't it be easiest to put the ring in place and then drop the water through it? There's no reason they couldn't have rigged it up with wire or thread and cloned it out.

Well, I suppose the shot might not have been limited by the *basic* rule set. Still, wouldn't it be more fun if the ring wasn't really glass, it was a superconductor suspended just above the water, I mean liquid nitrogen, & the liquid nitrogen drops were laser timed and the room was super cool to avoid mist interfering with the shot? I'm just sayin'
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