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11/13/2008 01:35:49 PM · #1 |
This thread was prompted by a comment in the 'Red' scores thread. To keep from hijacking that thread completely I've opened this one.
Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:
Originally posted by cpanaioti:
Actually, the unwritten rule is to NOT vote on your teammates images.
... and since this is a scores thread.
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And where is this "unwritten" rule written? You have your opinion and others have theirs. Neither is wrong.
7 votes in the grand scheme of things aren't gonna affect much anyway. And it's really no different than people who have their images on personal sites and their friends see them and vote here too.
No harm, no foul. |
There was a reason that the DPL (when it was running) had the feature of not allowing teammates to vote on each others challenge entries...
...actually, I'm not sure how much that helped, because then any team member casting votes knew they weren't voting on their teammates.
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11/13/2008 01:52:23 PM · #2 |
Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:
7 votes in the grand scheme of things aren't gonna affect much anyway. And it's really no different than people who have their images on personal sites and their friends see them and vote here too.
No harm, no foul. |
People have been banned from this site before because of "friend voting" |
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11/13/2008 01:56:47 PM · #3 |
Originally posted by Nuzzer:
Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:
7 votes in the grand scheme of things aren't gonna affect much anyway. And it's really no different than people who have their images on personal sites and their friends see them and vote here too.
No harm, no foul. |
People have been banned from this site before because of "friend voting" |
Systematic abuse of the system is another thing entirely. Eliciting just for that purpose, sure. A rash of new accounts just voting up one photo and the others down. They do a good job at catching this.
But clearly that was not what I mentioned.
It's been stated here by the SC that while they prefer keeping photos anonymous, they cannot prevent it -- many here have submitted Free study entries that arose from side-challenges. They post them on their personal sites, etc. So their friends who are already here may already know who the image is submitted by when they vote.
Again, no harm no foul. It happens. A couple of votes aren't going to make a bad image a ribbon winner.
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11/13/2008 01:57:11 PM · #4 |
I suppose it is possible to put your personal bias aside when voting, I think this starts to wander into areas that ARE covered by Written Rules.
You may not:
give an entry a lower score because you believe it violates the Challenge Rules.
recommend an entry for disqualification for not meeting the challenge.
vote on an entry based on its server-generated thumbnail.
vote on your own entry.
vote in a manner that suggests an intent to disrupt the voting system.
offer or cast biased votes for any other user.
offer slanderous, rude, profane or inflammatory comments.
abuse the anonymous commenting feature in any way.
discuss any entry in the forums while voting is in progress.
hold more than one DPChallenge account.
vote from another userĂ¢€™s DPChallenge account.
attempt to alter the point totals for any entry in any way.
We will:
display all entries in a random order for each voter.
group entries you have rated with other entries of the same rating on your main voting page.
declare the entry with the highest average score at the end of voting to be the winner.
recognize the first, second and third place entries on the front page.
use automatic and manual methods to actively monitor voting patterns for abuse.
ignore the votes of any user we believe is voting disruptively.
disqualify challenge entries from, suspend or ban anyone who abuses the voting system in any way.
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11/13/2008 02:08:56 PM · #5 |
Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:
Originally posted by Nuzzer:
Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:
7 votes in the grand scheme of things aren't gonna affect much anyway. And it's really no different than people who have their images on personal sites and their friends see them and vote here too.
No harm, no foul. |
People have been banned from this site before because of "friend voting" |
Systematic abuse of the system is another thing entirely. Eliciting just for that purpose, sure. A rash of new accounts just voting up one photo and the others down. They do a good job at catching this.
But clearly that was not what I mentioned.
It's been stated here by the SC that while they prefer keeping photos anonymous, they cannot prevent it -- many here have submitted Free study entries that arose from side-challenges. They post them on their personal sites, etc. So their friends who are already here may already know who the image is submitted by when they vote.
Again, no harm no foul. It happens. A couple of votes aren't going to make a bad image a ribbon winner. |
In light of the fact that it is hard to control friendly voting from SC's point of view, I agree a few friendly votes wont upset the challenge results too much. Still, if one thinks about a way to partly control it, this comes to my mind: everybody maintains a list of 'buddies' or 'teammates' on their profile and when you are logged in to vote, you dont get to see your mate's pictures. Sounds simple, but it is not. There are many complications.
I think it comes down to individual discretion when they see an image they recognise from someone they know. And so it should be fine the way as it is. Let there be trust.
Message edited by author 2008-11-13 14:19:40. |
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11/13/2008 02:26:18 PM · #6 |
| I dont think it will really make a difference but if this was an issue then what about the people who do self-portraits and are well known on the site? They have lots of friends and they all know what they look like. Plus some of those people DO win ribbons. Are they cheaters? |
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11/13/2008 02:30:46 PM · #7 |
Originally posted by Chinabun:
I dont think it will really make a difference but if this was an issue then what about the people who do self-portraits and are well known on the site? They have lots of friends and they all know what they look like. Plus some of those people DO win ribbons. Are they cheaters? |
Woh thats a big word to use:-) IMO, unless it is a called for self-portrait challenge, putting a well known face up there 'may' cause a bias. I have had this discussion before.. the conclusion was: it comes down to individual discretion. There are ways to restrict such happenings, but their implementation will introduce further bias, and for sure great resistance;-)
Like I said, let the trust live, and lets just enjoy. |
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11/13/2008 02:37:23 PM · #8 |
There's no rule, written or unwritten, that prohibits people from voting on any photo where they know who took the shot. The problem occurs when someone is influenced to vote higher (or lower) based purely on the knowledge of who shot it.
If you can't vote objectively on a shot when you know the photographer, then don't vote on it. If you are caught consistently casting high (or low) shots based purely on who took the shot, there will be punishment for that kind of activity.
Message edited by author 2008-11-13 14:57:27. |
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11/13/2008 02:41:48 PM · #9 |
Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:
Originally posted by Nuzzer:
Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:
7 votes in the grand scheme of things aren't gonna affect much anyway. And it's really no different than people who have their images on personal sites and their friends see them and vote here too.
No harm, no foul. |
People have been banned from this site before because of "friend voting" |
It's been stated here by the SC that while they prefer keeping photos anonymous, they cannot prevent it -- many here have submitted Free study entries that arose from side-challenges. They post them on their personal sites, etc. So their friends who are already here may already know who the image is submitted by when they vote.
Again, no harm no foul. It happens. A couple of votes aren't going to make a bad image a ribbon winner. |
Freind Voting is illegal This exact thing has been monitored and punishments have been handed out. There is harm and foul. Even having a single person, such as a significant other, give high votes to eachother's photos has ended with suspension's. It will be easy for SC to monitor teammates and I am sure they already do. I hope they act accordingly if people are inflating their votes for teammate's.
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11/13/2008 02:42:35 PM · #10 |
Originally posted by alanfreed:
There's no rule, written or unwritten, that prohibits people from voting on any photo where they know who took the shot. The problem occurs when someone is influenced to vote higher (or lower) based purely on the knowledge of who shot it.
If you can't vote subjectively on a shot when you know the photographer, then don't vote on it. If you are caught consistently casting high (or low) shots based purely on who took the shot, there will be punishment for that kind of activity. |
I think Alan means if you can't vote objectively -- strictly on the merits of the photo, and without regard for the identity of the photographer -- just skip voting on it. |
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11/13/2008 02:45:59 PM · #11 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by alanfreed:
There's no rule, written or unwritten, that prohibits people from voting on any photo where they know who took the shot. The problem occurs when someone is influenced to vote higher (or lower) based purely on the knowledge of who shot it.
If you can't vote subjectively on a shot when you know the photographer, then don't vote on it. If you are caught consistently casting high (or low) shots based purely on who took the shot, there will be punishment for that kind of activity. |
I think Alan means if you can't vote objectively -- strictly on the merits of the photo, and without regard for the identity of the photographer -- just skip voting on it. |
Yep... what I said. :) |
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11/13/2008 02:46:48 PM · #12 |
Originally posted by jdannels:
Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:
Originally posted by Nuzzer:
Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:
7 votes in the grand scheme of things aren't gonna affect much anyway. And it's really no different than people who have their images on personal sites and their friends see them and vote here too.
No harm, no foul. |
People have been banned from this site before because of "friend voting" |
It's been stated here by the SC that while they prefer keeping photos anonymous, they cannot prevent it -- many here have submitted Free study entries that arose from side-challenges. They post them on their personal sites, etc. So their friends who are already here may already know who the image is submitted by when they vote.
Again, no harm no foul. It happens. A couple of votes aren't going to make a bad image a ribbon winner. |
Freind Voting is illegal This exact thing has been monitored and punishments have been handed out. There is harm and foul. Even having a single person, such as a significant other, give high votes to eachother's photos has ended with suspension's. It will be easy for SC to monitor teammates and I am sure they already do. I hope they act accordingly if people are inflating their votes for teammate's. |
I'll do with the SC said and my voting shows fairness, not bias... so still based on the original premise, no harm, no foul. |
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11/13/2008 02:52:49 PM · #13 |
Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by alanfreed:
There's no rule, written or unwritten, that prohibits people from voting on any photo where they know who took the shot. The problem occurs when someone is influenced to vote higher (or lower) based purely on the knowledge of who shot it.
If you can't vote subjectively on a shot when you know the photographer, then don't vote on it. If you are caught consistently casting high (or low) shots based purely on who took the shot, there will be punishment for that kind of activity. |
I think Alan means if you can't vote objectively -- strictly on the merits of the photo, and without regard for the identity of the photographer -- just skip voting on it. |
Yep... what I said. :) |
Sorry, but thats not what you said:-) This is what you said, which I understood to mean that a little friendly voting is ok and cannot be avoided:
"And where is this "unwritten" rule written? You have your opinion and others have theirs. Neither is wrong.
7 votes in the grand scheme of things aren't gonna affect much anyway. And it's really no different than people who have their images on personal sites and their friends see them and vote here too.
No harm, no foul." |
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11/13/2008 02:58:02 PM · #14 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
I think Alan means if you can't vote objectively -- strictly on the merits of the photo, and without regard for the identity of the photographer -- just skip voting on it. |
Post edited :) |
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11/13/2008 04:24:16 PM · #15 |
Originally posted by Prash:
Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by alanfreed:
There's no rule, written or unwritten, that prohibits people from voting on any photo where they know who took the shot. The problem occurs when someone is influenced to vote higher (or lower) based purely on the knowledge of who shot it.
If you can't vote subjectively on a shot when you know the photographer, then don't vote on it. If you are caught consistently casting high (or low) shots based purely on who took the shot, there will be punishment for that kind of activity. |
I think Alan means if you can't vote objectively -- strictly on the merits of the photo, and without regard for the identity of the photographer -- just skip voting on it. |
Yep... what I said. :) |
Sorry, but thats not what you said:-) This is what you said, which I understood to mean that a little friendly voting is ok and cannot be avoided:
"And where is this "unwritten" rule written? You have your opinion and others have theirs. Neither is wrong.
7 votes in the grand scheme of things aren't gonna affect much anyway. And it's really no different than people who have their images on personal sites and their friends see them and vote here too.
No harm, no foul." |
You missed where the thread was started... and I said I vote objectively (friend or foe). I just don't like people getting nitty and declaring things to be "rules" that are not.
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