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11/13/2008 06:34:26 AM · #76 |
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Avg Vote: 5.1690
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Thought it would do better, on the other hand anything above 5 is better than my average. |
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11/13/2008 06:53:18 AM · #77 |
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Avg Vote: X.6351
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Go Southwest! |
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11/13/2008 07:05:48 AM · #78 |
Votes: 74
Views: 122
Avg Vote: 5.2162
Comments: 3
Uuuugh! This is one of those times that I didn't expect a high score ... but I guess I didn't expect this low either. i know my shot doesn't at all fit the 'DPC norm' for a great score ... but I am still liking it and even one great comment from a respected fellow photographer makes me happy. and glad I sunmitted (accomplished with Jutilda --- thanks Judy!!!) |
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11/13/2008 07:15:20 AM · #79 |
Votes: 79
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Avg Vote: 5.5190
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Ooof...dropped from a 6.2. to where I had imagined it would be. It always seems to after 30 vote mark. I will ignore results (but not comments!) until the 70+ from now on... : )
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11/13/2008 07:42:49 AM · #80 |
I've been away from DPC for a while and this is the first challenge i've entered in several months. I may have done a free study here or there, but haven't really been as active as before. So I'm a little confused....what is DPCO? Is that sort of like the DPL was?
And now i remember why i took a break, sometimes this gets frustrating...although my photo isn't doing too bad (not too great either)... |
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11/13/2008 10:29:47 AM · #81 |
Having only been here a few months I don't know much about the challenges and would like to know what DPCO is too. I only recently learned there are any teams here. I'm sure being part of one is fun for many, but in a brief look around it seems odd to me that some mediocre shots will have some ten votes and comments from obvious fellow team members of the artist and I've had my own images finish somewhat decent I guess at over six yet still get a smattering of ones and twos. Speaking of ones and twos, didn't I read somewhere that we are supposed to leave a comment if we give an image three or less? Can't that be enforced?
It has still been fun to participate here so far and I'm glad for this resource, but the voting does seem a little off balance I have to admit. |
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11/13/2008 10:51:54 AM · #82 |
Originally posted by Brent_S:
didn't I read somewhere that we are supposed to leave a comment if we give an image three or less? Can't that be enforced? |
There used to be a nag dialog that encouraged one to leave a comment with a vote of 3 or less, but it was eliminated early in '08. I think the voting on the mid range entries got a little harsher after that. It's a courtesy that I still do, but many do not.
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11/13/2008 11:03:08 AM · #83 |
Originally posted by Brent_S:
Having only been here a few months ... didn't I read somewhere that we are supposed to leave a comment if we give an image three or less? |
Suggested read -> Voting Guidelines |
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11/13/2008 11:39:54 AM · #84 |
Bjorn has made an excellent point in not taking this so seriously. We shouldn't. In all reality, these are virtual ribbon prizes and scoring. However, the fact remains that for those of us who have been here for a couple of years or more and have been learning and trying, seeing the shift in scoring just kind of takes some zing out of the "fun".
Everyone who enters a photo in here, puts at least SOME effort into them. Yes, of course, there are those odd ones where people will put in a SA shot in (Smart A$$ LOL). I've done it myself just to get some fun comments and in the hopes of getting some people chuckling, just for FUN. However, even there, I have seen a shift in the sense of humour. There isn't any anymore. I can remember some well known members in here, putting in shots of blank screens or with some silly subject, a total DNMC and titling them, "Give Me A One"! LOL People laughed and had a ball commenting with comebacks or just plain saying they were laughing. No one does that anymore. Everyone is so serious that they miss humour. TECHNICALS, TECHNICALS, TECHNICALS. For some, even if the technicals are great...they will nit-pick on a piece of lint or, a wrinkle in a tablecloth or how they wished an entire wall or building or window could have been removed from a background???? What is that???
Then, we have the poorer scores. A once 5 is now a 4 or even a 3 score now. Comments are fewer, sillier or more harsh. There's a LOT of comments if your shot is really bad or really good but, no explanation as to why they are giving you a 1 to a 4 shot (once reserved for a total DNMC or an extremely bad shot..ie: totally out of focus or snapshot type look).
When all of us go to some level or another of effort and energy and thought, time and oftentimes, even money to get a shot, set it up, go out looking for one, freeze fingers off, get soaking wet, bake in heat and sun, turn our diningrooms into temporary "studios" with lighting strung with extension cords throughout the house, stand on ladders, hang things from our ceilings, get family members to turn themselves upside down, leap in the air, hang them from the ceiling (literally...someone has done that! LOL), then, spend the time to edit the shot and enter it, along with a title, descripition and efix data, I'd say that there's ENERGY devoted to these shots. To see them tank in score, get comments that are silly or nit-picking, watching the 1 to 4 scores dropping the overall average...it's kind of HARD to think of it as "fun" and not take it somewhat seriously. Yes, if the scores reflect a DECENT score such as a 5 range and up, then it's a little easier to handle as fun and move onto the next challenge. However, when the scores start to consistently turn to the 3 and 4 ranges after having entered many challenges over a couple of years.....well, that's a little harder to just let roll off your back and say, "Oh well...this was fun"! LOL This is especially true when you see the slide and changes that have been occuring in the votes and commenting.
Renier has also raised an excellent point! There are people in here who have a lot of fancy equipment, fabulous editing skills, elaborate set-ups and there are a number of "professional" (so to speak) photographers in here who hire models, have fancy flash equipment, higher end editing programs and the list goes on. A P&S camera and Photoshop Elements just cannot compete with that type of final product. (Please don't try to tell me that a p&s and a simple program CAN compete on par with that. *smile* I've heard it and I've tried it and while I've had some success with a p&s once upon a time, it simply cannot cut it in here, right now, the way things are going!) Yes, one can get a great shot with a p&s and simple editing skills and programs, but NOT of the fancy calibre that a DSLR camera, flash equipment, reflectors, remote cables, LucisArt, CS series editing etc., hired models and, or studio space and lighting equipment can create. This is where I've said all along that there should be category challenges...ie: Novice, Advanced and Professional so that each person can choose what levels they think they feel more suited to.
Personally, I know that I'm not on par with those who produce some pretty fabulous shots such as  Yanko and his shot in the October FS  "Alice In Gothland". Obviously, not many in here can! I bow to his work. He stands a head and shoulders above everyone else in here in terms of having the wonderful skills, the technical abilities, the fabulous equipment and the opportunity to hire models for a photoshoot session! Not many of us can compete with that. Frankly, I have NO idea (no disrepect intended whatsoever or in any way...praise only!) as to what he is even doing in here in these challenges??? There are others that are either at his level or near it too! A p&s, photoshop elements and a neighbor's kid as a model just will never be able to match that kind of work! Work like his will ALWAYS triumph over those of us who don't posess that kind of skill or equipment. So, there again, goes "the fun".
Top all of this off with the scores being all out of whack/weird/whatever you want to term it and "the fun" is gone. It's now more frustration, disappointment and wondering why we spent the weekend out in the elements, or re-arranging our livingrooms or dens or bathrooms to get a shot then, seeing the 6's and 7's while looking at 3 and 4 scores??? LOL That's why I'm taking a break from entering the scoring challenges in here now...if not permanently. I've yet to decide if I even want to attempt some side challenges in here. I don't know yet. I just know that something has changed drastically in the over 2 years that I've been a member and it's no longer "fun". :)
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11/13/2008 11:44:42 AM · #85 |
Originally posted by ti_evom:
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Go Southwest! |
Uh-oh! We've got an X'r out there. :-)
Contender or Pretender? |
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11/13/2008 11:45:36 AM · #86 |
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
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Crack that 6.5 yet? |
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11/13/2008 11:45:51 AM · #87 |
Originally posted by Brent_S:
Having only been here a few months I don't know much about the challenges and would like to know what DPCO is too. I only recently learned there are any teams here. I'm sure being part of one is fun for many, but in a brief look around it seems odd to me that some mediocre shots will have some ten votes and comments from obvious fellow team members of the artist and I've had my own images finish somewhat decent I guess at over six yet still get a smattering of ones and twos. Speaking of ones and twos, didn't I read somewhere that we are supposed to leave a comment if we give an image three or less? Can't that be enforced?
It has still been fun to participate here so far and I'm glad for this resource, but the voting does seem a little off balance I have to admit. |
Yes, DPCO is like DPL only it's a side challenge not hosted by the site. We don't vote for our team members' images, as that would be cheating, since we view them ahead of time. My entries have gone from maybe a couple of 3s here and there to a dozen or more 3 and below. Never any comments.
The DPCO team has helped me understand that it's not any intrinsic change in my shooting style, quality or on meeting the theme that has resulted in these low scores--since we analyze each others choices ahead of time, make suggestions on cropping and other post-processing options while grinding our teeth at being limited to basic editing . NikonJeb, it is a BIG shift in voting, I am happy you've found the "formula" for good scores in this new era, and are having fun. I've had enough experience here with the challenges to be able to evaluate my performance and freely admit that concept shooting is not my strong suit, but this shift is also evident on free studies, and is not just sour grapes on my part. It could be graphed.
ETA: I don't expect anyone to give a crap that I want to take a hiatus blamed on scoring irregularities or mean-spiritedness. Maybe it's the economy, people feel mean. I've given a handful of 3s ever and will give 4s instead. It's just being a DPCO team member that has made me bash my head against the desk every single week--it would be so much simpler to just drift away.
But I'll stop talking about it in the scores thread. My entry is at 5.333.
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11/13/2008 11:48:40 AM · #88 |
Originally posted by idealodds:
Votes: 71
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Avg Vote: 6.0000
Comments: 6
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Updated: 11/12/08 11:10 pm
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Jonathan - Congrats on hitting the 6 mark so early in your DPC adventure!
Hope it keeps moving up for you. :-) |
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11/13/2008 11:53:03 AM · #89 |
Originally posted by lynnesite:
Originally posted by Brent_S:
Having only been here a few months I don't know much about the challenges and would like to know what DPCO is too. I only recently learned there are any teams here. I'm sure being part of one is fun for many, but in a brief look around it seems odd to me that some mediocre shots will have some ten votes and comments from obvious fellow team members of the artist and I've had my own images finish somewhat decent I guess at over six yet still get a smattering of ones and twos. Speaking of ones and twos, didn't I read somewhere that we are supposed to leave a comment if we give an image three or less? Can't that be enforced?
It has still been fun to participate here so far and I'm glad for this resource, but the voting does seem a little off balance I have to admit. |
Yes, DPCO is like DPL only it's a side challenge not hosted by the site. We don't vote for our team members' images, as that would be cheating, since we view them ahead of time. My entries have gone from maybe a couple of 3s here and there to a dozen or more 3 and below. Never any comments.
The DPCO team has helped me understand that it's not any intrinsic change in my shooting style, quality or on meeting the theme that has resulted in these low scores--since we analyze each others choices ahead of time, make suggestions on cropping and other post-processing options while grinding our teeth at being limited to basic editing . NikonJeb, it is a BIG shift in voting, I am happy you've found the "formula" for good scores in this new era, and are having fun. I've had enough experience here with the challenges to be able to evaluate my performance and freely admit that concept shooting is not my strong suit, but this shift is also evident on free studies, and is not just sour grapes on my part. It could be graphed.
But I'll stop talking about it in the scores thread. My entry is at 5.333. |
AMEN, Lynne. Well said!
And, congrats on your work. You have a fabulous portfolio and a skill and talent to be praised! :) |
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11/13/2008 11:57:03 AM · #90 |
Originally posted by PhotoInterest:
Originally posted by lynnesite:
Originally posted by Brent_S:
Having only been here a few months I don't know much about the challenges and would like to know what DPCO is too. I only recently learned there are any teams here. I'm sure being part of one is fun for many, but in a brief look around it seems odd to me that some mediocre shots will have some ten votes and comments from obvious fellow team members of the artist and I've had my own images finish somewhat decent I guess at over six yet still get a smattering of ones and twos. Speaking of ones and twos, didn't I read somewhere that we are supposed to leave a comment if we give an image three or less? Can't that be enforced?
It has still been fun to participate here so far and I'm glad for this resource, but the voting does seem a little off balance I have to admit. |
Yes, DPCO is like DPL only it's a side challenge not hosted by the site. We don't vote for our team members' images, as that would be cheating, since we view them ahead of time. My entries have gone from maybe a couple of 3s here and there to a dozen or more 3 and below. Never any comments.
The DPCO team has helped me understand that it's not any intrinsic change in my shooting style, quality or on meeting the theme that has resulted in these low scores--since we analyze each others choices ahead of time, make suggestions on cropping and other post-processing options while grinding our teeth at being limited to basic editing . NikonJeb, it is a BIG shift in voting, I am happy you've found the "formula" for good scores in this new era, and are having fun. I've had enough experience here with the challenges to be able to evaluate my performance and freely admit that concept shooting is not my strong suit, but this shift is also evident on free studies, and is not just sour grapes on my part. It could be graphed.
But I'll stop talking about it in the scores thread. My entry is at 5.333. |
AMEN, Lynne. Well said!
And, congrats on your work. You have a fabulous portfolio and a skill and talent to be praised! :) |
Well, there is no hard and fast rule on not voting for your teammates. In fact, my understanding was that it was pretty darn common and expected.
I vote honestly on even my teams images however. No artificial inflation. |
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11/13/2008 12:07:40 PM · #91 |
Is the title of this thread incorrect? Thought this was a scores thread...
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11/13/2008 12:45:59 PM · #92 |
Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:
Originally posted by PhotoInterest:
Originally posted by lynnesite:
Originally posted by Brent_S:
Having only been here a few months I don't know much about the challenges and would like to know what DPCO is too. I only recently learned there are any teams here. I'm sure being part of one is fun for many, but in a brief look around it seems odd to me that some mediocre shots will have some ten votes and comments from obvious fellow team members of the artist and I've had my own images finish somewhat decent I guess at over six yet still get a smattering of ones and twos. Speaking of ones and twos, didn't I read somewhere that we are supposed to leave a comment if we give an image three or less? Can't that be enforced?
It has still been fun to participate here so far and I'm glad for this resource, but the voting does seem a little off balance I have to admit. |
Yes, DPCO is like DPL only it's a side challenge not hosted by the site. We don't vote for our team members' images, as that would be cheating, since we view them ahead of time. My entries have gone from maybe a couple of 3s here and there to a dozen or more 3 and below. Never any comments.
The DPCO team has helped me understand that it's not any intrinsic change in my shooting style, quality or on meeting the theme that has resulted in these low scores--since we analyze each others choices ahead of time, make suggestions on cropping and other post-processing options while grinding our teeth at being limited to basic editing . NikonJeb, it is a BIG shift in voting, I am happy you've found the "formula" for good scores in this new era, and are having fun. I've had enough experience here with the challenges to be able to evaluate my performance and freely admit that concept shooting is not my strong suit, but this shift is also evident on free studies, and is not just sour grapes on my part. It could be graphed.
But I'll stop talking about it in the scores thread. My entry is at 5.333. |
AMEN, Lynne. Well said!
And, congrats on your work. You have a fabulous portfolio and a skill and talent to be praised! :) |
Well, there is no hard and fast rule on not voting for your teammates. In fact, my understanding was that it was pretty darn common and expected.
I vote honestly on even my teams images however. No artificial inflation. |
Actually, the unwritten rule is to NOT vote on your teammates images.
... and since this is a scores thread.
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11/13/2008 12:53:23 PM · #93 |
Originally posted by lynnesite:
NikonJeb, it is a BIG shift in voting, I am happy you've found the "formula" for good scores in this new era, and are having fun. I've had enough experience here with the challenges to be able to evaluate my performance and freely admit that concept shooting is not my strong suit, but this shift is also evident on free studies, and is not just sour grapes on my part. It could be graphed. |
I'm thinking perhaps that you either didn't wholly read my post, or that I didn't convey my point properly.
I hardly have found any formula.....as I stated, three challenges ago, I got a high 4, my FS didn't crack 6, which has been the norm for me for the entire time I've been here......I have four 6+ scores in the 22 Free Study challenges I've entered.....I'm a mid-5 photog usually. My average after 115 challenges is 5.4.....rounded up.
I have flashes of darn good work, but they are not as common as the middle of the road things that I do for challenges.
I'm sorry, but I just cannot blame the voters for my work.....I CAN decide how much I'll let it bother me.
This place has taught me a lot about the philosophy of the art, too.
Shannon, an inveterate ribbon hog and a disgustingly talented guy, is one of the nicest people I've ever met. I had a guy HALF my age spend hours upon hours of HIS valuable time teaching me......basics about my camera....a Nikon, and he has a Canon. Not that the brand makes a difference, but he took the time to help me get acquainted with basic stuff that I have to know just to take good solid AVERAGE pictures.....and he's proud of how well I've been doing. My PB that I got beat his by a little. The people I've met on GTGs are awesome.....look at the tutorials that the pros and enthusiasts alike have spent hours polishing and writing up step-by-step processes to make YOUR life easier.....this site has so much to offer!
If you wanna get mad at the voters, okay.....but why not expend the energy to enter a side challenge, gather a group together like Team Suck did and work with each other to improve your skills and own level of appreciation?
Team Suck got together out of a certain level of frustration like what is evident here.....and now there are Team Suck members that'll be entering the Master's Free Study.....not 'cause we're all fabulous, but because we've gotten better....and put in the work to do it.
But you'll still see 4s and low 5s from us 'cause we'll enter shots WE like, voters be damned! You'll see TS members floating 4 scores......with 9 comments and a fav.
Look, I'm not trying to give anyone a hard time, I have had a fair level of frustration here and there, I'd just like to see y'all get productive energy from the curve instead of frustration. There have been m,any people here who have improved unbelievably since they found their way to DPC, I'd like to include myself in that, and all along the way, they have all had help from other photogs right here.
I just hope that all of you can find the kind of incredible help and enjoyment here that is right here for the picking.
Oh.....for Barry, back on topic......
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11/13/2008 01:04:48 PM · #94 |
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Highest it has been all week. :O)
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11/13/2008 01:07:00 PM · #95 |
Originally posted by njsabs2323:
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Highest it has been all week. :O) |
You have that many views already for Red? I'm surprised that hasn't picked up a fav or two at that pace. |
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11/13/2008 01:12:29 PM · #96 |
Personal opinion here.
I think that most people, including myself (gulp) don't give out a comment much when it comes to giving out 1,2,3's. How can you say to someone that their shot makes your eyes bleed. I think that most people understand that a 1 through 3-4 vote, means that it is usually out of focus, not sharp, blurry, or not to the voters taste or just plain wrong.
So how do you put that without the backlash that comes along with it. I remember people commenting some of those things and then threads where started that slammed the person for doing it. If you put time and effort into a shot and you put time and effort into making a comment, getting slammed for what you say or write down does not encourage other people to comment.
Also, when you spend time on a shot and you get these 1-4's, it kinda stings. Cos you did spend time on it and effort and you believe that it does deserve a comment as to why that person disliked it so much. It is a circle that will always be disscused and never resolved.
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11/13/2008 01:25:44 PM · #97 |
Jeb - Great line (rest of it was ok too).
Bold added by me for emphasis...
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
I'm sorry, but I just cannot blame the voters for my work.....I CAN decide how much I'll let it bother me.
Oh.....for Barry, back on topic......
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Score (minor slippage...ALWAYS does that after posting, I swear!) :-)
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11/13/2008 01:25:45 PM · #98 |
Originally posted by cpanaioti:
Actually, the unwritten rule is to NOT vote on your teammates images.
... and since this is a scores thread.
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And where is this "unwritten" rule written? You have your opinion and others have theirs. Neither is wrong.
7 votes in the grand scheme of things aren't gonna affect much anyway. And it's really no different than people who have their images on personal sites and their friends see them and vote here too.
No harm, no foul. |
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11/13/2008 01:38:00 PM · #99 |
Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:
... No harm, no foul. |
Before this scores thread goes way off track again...see Unwritten "rule"... |
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11/13/2008 01:51:30 PM · #100 |
My score just nudged over the 6.x mark.
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and I did all my voting in Blue and not voting in red, so if ya want a comment, or better yet, my opinion, then let me know. |
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