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 04/18/2004 12:35:46 PM · #1
Apparently, you only have 14 days, not 30, to return Digital Camera's. Thing of it is, Starting in september I start School, and they require a 35mm Film Camera, and I wanted to purchase a Nikon. Now I wonder if I should just stick with Canon, or go ahead and purchase the Nikon, then save up for the D70 and unload the canon after I get the D70. ARGH I dont want the canon :(
 04/18/2004 12:40:07 PM · #2
Well I guess now's a good time to ask yourself if you gave the Canon a fair shake. Get to know it a bit better and maybe you can live with it's "limitations". Who knows, you might learn to love it. Sorry to hear you're not happy with it.
 04/18/2004 12:41:17 PM · #3
You liked it enough to purchase it... what happened to change your mind since then? Just curious as I am in the market for a new camera now too.

Barbara
 04/18/2004 12:42:29 PM · #4
what is it about the rebel you don't like
04/18/2004 12:45:13 PM · #5
What the hell... over.

What is the problem with your Canon? What options did you need that it does not provide?

And did you say a 14 day return policy? That sounds odd and not quite right. Every camera I have bought has had 30 at least.

Good luck.
 04/18/2004 12:49:33 PM · #6
I am not really comfortable with the handling of it. After testing out the D70 the other day, the Nikon fits much better into my hands. I was able to hold it more steadily, the comfort factor was a big difference for me.

And yes, 14 Days, which I find ridiculous. They said they would take it back, but would have to knock off 15%. No way am I taking a hit like that, the camera is only a month old! Perhaps I can try selling it on ebay, but I'd rather not take too big a hit money wise on it.

It's poor planning on my part, I know. I just didnt think I would be this upset over the canon after finally testing the D70
 04/18/2004 12:53:32 PM · #7
Poor guy. You're going to start pissing off the people who can only dream of buying a DSLR. I think a third thread on your problem is enough. Thanks.
 04/18/2004 12:56:40 PM · #8
Selling on Ebay won't cost you too much. Check out going prices and be sure to list it as "Digital Rebel". If you put a reserve price on it, you will be able to sell for what you want. Like new cameras were selling for about the same as new cameras a couple of weeks ago. Also be sure to specify if it was made for the U.S. market (seems to increase the price received). Good luck. Sorry you don't like it. I love mine.
 04/18/2004 01:18:02 PM · #9
Originally posted by Jacko:
Poor guy. You're going to start pissing off the people who can only dream of buying a DSLR. I think a third thread on your problem is enough. Thanks.

Well said. I would LOVE to be able to afford a DSLR!
 04/18/2004 01:32:38 PM · #10
I'm a little confused about how you ended up buying a Canon in the first place without testing/ holding the alternatives beforehand? Especially if you'd already decided you were going to buy a Nikon film SLR shortly anyway. Makes no sense at all to me. Maybe I'm missing something?

But what's done is done.

Are you really sure you want the D70 or is it just the recent number of posts about it from recent purchasers (myself included) that are making you doubt your original choice?

As for the refund time - I don't know what the laws are Stateside but here I believe that shops don't have to take a purchase back at ALL unless there is actually something wrong with it. They certainly don't have to just because the buyer didn't bother researching properly and has decided he/ she doesn't like it. In practice many vendors do offer exchanges within 14 or 30 days but, as far as I am aware, they don't have to do so and do so as a goodwill gesture only.

Consumer laws may differ in your country though, as I said.

So, given that information and given that this is your mistake, not the vendors, taking a 15% hit for refund doesn't seem outrageous to me.

And I can't imagine you'll be able to sell it without losing much more than 15% if you sell on e-bay since who in their right mind is going to pay full price without also receiving a full warranty - and that's not transferable is it? Or is it?

If you're determined to go ahead and exchange (rather than stick with the 300D and opt for a Canon film SLR too) then I'd say 15% is the smallest loss you're likely to be able to get away with.

Good luck!
 04/18/2004 01:44:43 PM · #11
Originally posted by Kavey:
I'm a little confused about how you ended up buying a Canon in the first place without testing/ holding the alternatives beforehand? Especially if you'd already decided you were going to buy a Nikon film SLR shortly anyway. Makes no sense at all to me. Maybe I'm missing something?

But what's done is done.

Are you really sure you want the D70 or is it just the recent number of posts about it from recent purchasers (myself included) that are making you doubt your original choice?

As for the refund time - I don't know what the laws are Stateside but here I believe that shops don't have to take a purchase back at ALL unless there is actually something wrong with it. They certainly don't have to just because the buyer didn't bother researching properly and has decided he/ she doesn't like it. In practice many vendors do offer exchanges within 14 or 30 days but, as far as I am aware, they don't have to do so and do so as a goodwill gesture only.

Consumer laws may differ in your country though, as I said.

So, given that information and given that this is your mistake, not the vendors, taking a 15% hit for refund doesn't seem outrageous to me.

And I can't imagine you'll be able to sell it without losing much more than 15% if you sell on e-bay since who in their right mind is going to pay full price without also receiving a full warranty - and that's not transferable is it? Or is it?

If you're determined to go ahead and exchange (rather than stick with the 300D and opt for a Canon film SLR too) then I'd say 15% is the smallest loss you're likely to be able to get away with.

Good luck!


Well said Kavey.

The back of my Best Buy receipt from yesterday specifically says that there is a 15% restocking fee on a specific number of items, digital cameras included. One reason they do this is to eliminate people buying a camera for vacation, coming back and returning it. They have to resell that item at a loss because it's been opened and used. You can't expect them to take a hit on that just because you changed your mind can you?

I realize you may not have purchased it at Best Buy. I also realize you didn't purchase it for vacation, my point is that their return policy isn't so crazy.

Message edited by author 2004-04-18 13:45:31.
 04/18/2004 01:55:48 PM · #12
I think I would consider the 15% restocking fee a bit longer. First you get it over with much quicker, and secondly depending on your sales tax rate might get you closer to a 8-10% restocking fee. Compared to the total you collect on ebay, you might come out ahead.

Some places in southern California have a 10 day policy on digital camera refunds.
 04/18/2004 01:59:50 PM · #13
i think I will just save up for the D70, then upon purchasing that I will sell the 300D. I am pretty sure I could get more than 90% of the camera's price back from ebay.
04/18/2004 02:33:41 PM · #14
Originally posted by outofreachx:
i think I will just save up for the D70, then upon purchasing that I will sell the 300D. I am pretty sure I could get more than 90% of the camera's price back from ebay.


Why not sell it first to pay for the D70 than save up over a thousand, buy the D70, then sell your drebel for 900 or so. At least that way you'll know how much difference you have to save up. Or are you wanting to buy the D70 and have both cameras until you decide which one you like better?
 04/18/2004 02:44:10 PM · #15
Originally posted by Jacko:
Poor guy. You're going to start pissing off the people who can only dream of buying a DSLR. I think a third thread on your problem is enough. Thanks.


I bought a Ferrari the other day and now I wish I bought a McLaren F1 or maybe a Yacht... :((( poor me. What do you want us to say on "your problem" anyways?

Originally posted by outofreachx:
ARGH I dont want the canon :(


...or you probably want my adress to send it over?
 04/18/2004 02:46:34 PM · #16
Originally posted by Jacko:
Poor guy. You're going to start pissing off the people who can only dream of buying a DSLR. I think a third thread on your problem is enough. Thanks.


Aw, and now I don't need to reply.
 04/18/2004 03:31:29 PM · #17
Originally posted by outofreachx:
I am pretty sure I could get more than 90% of the camera's price back from ebay.


I very strongly doubt this but wish you the best of luck trying...
 04/18/2004 04:38:16 PM · #18
Originally posted by Kavey:
Originally posted by outofreachx:
I am pretty sure I could get more than 90% of the camera's price back from ebay.


I very strongly doubt this but wish you the best of luck trying...


My thought exactly. Chaces are, you can find a Rebel on Ebay for 10% less then what you paid, and it will be new. The longer you wait, the less you'll get. As more prosumer DSLR's come out, the value of the Rebel will depreciate. Canon as already dropped the price of the Rebel once since the D70 came out, and there are more DSLRs coming out shortly.

If you truly want to switch to Nikon, I'd take the hit now, count your losses, and move on.

My suggestion though...make sure you really want the Nikon film SLR before you switch everything over, so your not posting in a couple months about switching back to Canon. :-)

Message edited by author 2004-04-18 16:38:59.
 04/18/2004 07:35:58 PM · #19
Don't worry about switching back to the Canon. The Minolta DSLR will be out in the fall. If you time it right you can dump the D70 back for the 15% hit and then start wringing your hands 'n' whining about how you really don't like Minnie. What's next. Keep up the good work!
 04/18/2004 07:55:31 PM · #20
Originally posted by Kavey:
Originally posted by outofreachx:
I am pretty sure I could get more than 90% of the camera's price back from ebay.


I very strongly doubt this but wish you the best of luck trying...


I agree with Kavey here. I think you are dreaming if you think you can sell a used camera for a new camera's price. If you do think that, though, I have a car that's just a couple of years old I'd love to sell you. I'll give you 10% off of the new price, if you're interested.
 04/18/2004 08:01:58 PM · #21
Enough with the wisecracks. I mean come on, I didnt post this to have shots taken at me. Excuse me for wanting to switch cameras, I didn't know it was forbidden.
 04/19/2004 04:24:33 AM · #22
Jeremy
Of course it's not forbidden to want to switch cameras.
You have to admit that it's kind of kooky to spend so much on a camera without first looking into what you want and what the alternatives are, but hey, we all make mistakes and what's done is done.
The posts above re price are posted in an attempt to try and make you realise that you are dreaming if you think you can honestly sell a second hand camera (for which the buyer will not get a warranty) for 90% of it's original price.
And the only reason we want you to realise that is so that you won't be disappointed and can make your decisions based on a more rational, realistic understanding.
Seriously, good luck.
Kavey
 04/19/2004 07:26:44 AM · #23
Originally posted by outofreachx:
Enough with the wisecracks


If you want others to take you seriously then you should be serious and give less of a target.

As for me, I have taken photographs with 2 300D's (from friends) and I wouldn't have one because of how it feels. 'Course I wouldn't have bought one in the first place but that's my hangup and it doesn't have to be yours or anyone else's.

It sounds to me like you have a case of buyer's remorse and just happened to write 3 different posts that show it. Seems like you spent a lot of money and not too long after getting the camera realized that the biggest part of any camera system isn't the lens or the imaging chip but it is the photographer. I'm just guessing but I'm betting you had a letdown when you took some photos with the Digital Rebel and realized they might not have been everything you'd hoped for. Maybe not. Regardless, now that you've had it for a month or so and so many of your fellow DPC'ers start loading up on the Nikon D70's it can be persuasive. Now I don't care what you shoot. Nikon, Canon, Sigma, Oly, etc. I like to buy expensive glass because it affects my photos. It doesn't make me shoot good shots like others on this site. The glass does allow me to take better, clearer shots than I used to. But they're still my compositions. The point is, if you're going to spend this kind of money, get whatever camera system you want but there are always going to be drawbacks to the system. You'll never be 100% satisfied because its you behind the camera and until you can produce exactly what you saw in your head there will still be a gap there that no camera can bridge.

You want to return the Canon, go for it. I'm not trying to be wisecracking or a smartaleck. The point that I think many people are making here is that you seem to have suddenly developed a major distaste for your own choice and it looks like that could easily become a pattern. I'm sure most people who have dropped $1K on a camera only to realize that decent lenses start out around $300-500 and good lenses generally cost another grand. That can be daunting and with such natural and developed talent as you find on this site it can be . . . intimidating to not produce similar results with such a high-end piece of equipment.

If you're going to get rid of the Canon, I'd suggest unloading it right now for as much as you can get (I, too, think that taking it back to the store for the restocking fee will be your least expensive choice). If you're going to keep it for any length of time then shoot the hell outta it. Take tons of photos and get used to using that DSLR so that when you do choose to make the switch you can perform a solid test of the new camera and know how strongly you like it or not.

I know this thread speaks more to my experience than yours necessarily but if it is appropriate to you then I hope you take some of the well-meaning posts (this one included) to heart and realize that you have a nice piece of equipment and make a good choice about what you like and what you don't because I think that you're liable to have similar feelings the next time you select a camera system and sink as much money into it.

Kev
 05/02/2004 06:59:40 AM · #24
This whole thread is the best arguement I've ever seen for "RENT THE CAMERA FIRST !!!". jmlelii could have saved a LOT of troble and money and time if he would have rented several cameras before buying anything.
Just my 2 cents...
R.
 05/02/2004 09:09:32 AM · #25
I reckon every week that goes by a second hand camera loses value. The shop price of my A1 was £699 12 weeks ago and now its down to £560. I reckon if I get 50% of its new value when I bought it I'll be happy. (any uk bidders?).
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