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11/03/2008 01:31:16 AM · #1 |
| ..well, thats what happens when you have a topic like this with 'advanced' rulesets |
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11/03/2008 01:41:26 AM · #2 |
What are you referring to?
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11/03/2008 04:00:14 AM · #3 |
I only joined last month but I already see that some of the voting here makes absolutely no sense at all. The winner here was a well deserving winner and I also voted a 10 for it ( my only 10 in this challenge)
But I look at some of the votes here and Oh Boy what a total farce. I mean come on....there are some shots that I would not even put in an average quality family snapshot album yet some people voted a 10 on shots like that...and then there are fantastic winning shots where people voted a 1 or a 2. This is absolutely ridiculous. Obviously trolls of some kind or halfwits ( actually those two are the same species)
Anyway I guess the amount of a*$*&holes who vote like that are way in the minority and that their idiot votes wont affect the average percentage of the vote score by too much.
All that said I am pretty happy with my score of 5.8084 and a 54th place for my first ever street photo although there are some shots beneath my position which I voted 6 and higher for and I feel they are better then my own entry.
Another thing...I made 114 comments and only received 6. Hmmmmmmm makes me feel less inclined to keep on making so many comments as it takes a lot of time. Maybe I will only make comments from now on, on entries that receive a vote of 8 or higher from me.
By the way I always add in my comment what score I voted for that entry. Is that something I should or should not do?
Message edited by author 2008-11-03 04:07:37.
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11/03/2008 06:49:01 AM · #4 |
Originally posted by ThingFish:
I only joined last month but I already see that some of the voting here makes absolutely no sense at all. The winner here was a well deserving winner and I also voted a 10 for it ( my only 10 in this challenge)
But I look at some of the votes here and Oh Boy what a total farce. I mean come on....there are some shots that I would not even put in an average quality family snapshot album yet some people voted a 10 on shots like that...and then there are fantastic winning shots where people voted a 1 or a 2. This is absolutely ridiculous. Obviously trolls of some kind or halfwits ( actually those two are the same species)
Anyway I guess the amount of a*$*&holes who vote like that are way in the minority and that their idiot votes wont affect the average percentage of the vote score by too much.
All that said I am pretty happy with my score of 5.8084 and a 54th place for my first ever street photo although there are some shots beneath my position which I voted 6 and higher for and I feel they are better then my own entry.
Another thing...I made 114 comments and only received 6. Hmmmmmmm makes me feel less inclined to keep on making so many comments as it takes a lot of time. Maybe I will only make comments from now on, on entries that receive a vote of 8 or higher from me.
By the way I always add in my comment what score I voted for that entry. Is that something I should or should not do? |
Welcome to our world. This is a battle that has been going on for a long long time. The only thing you can do is sit back, relax and enjoy the show.
I and many others have dealt with this problem and soon you will come to realize that when you ribbon it's a miracle. There are going to be people out there cheating, there will be people that are just having a bad day when they look at your near perfect entry and they think they could have done it better but in reality they have never entered a challenge or they don't have a score higher than a 5.5.
Oh well... good luck
Message edited by author 2008-11-03 06:51:19. |
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11/03/2008 06:51:49 AM · #5 |
Originally posted by kolasi:
..well, thats what happens when you have a topic like this with 'advanced' rulesets |
I agree. I think they made a mistake by making it an Advanced Challenge also requiring that people be in the shot added a little extra muck.
Mostly the Advanced editing rule, by adding that they stuck a fork in an already difficult to grasp genre and made it harder for people to learn about. It's of course, a broad topic but by allowing people to glam-up their work takes away from it's purity. It shifts the focus of the process else ware, to elements that aren't commonly found in Street Photography. I myself put a light finger of PP on my image but held back as I thought it would compromise things too much.
Three or more images in the Top 10 look like they were posed or semi-set. Not 100% positive but if so, that doesn't cut it for me. Personally...the hunt and the find and the sensitivity needed to snap at that fleeting "decisive moment" are what really make it Street Photography. |
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11/03/2008 07:43:41 AM · #6 |
| In my opinion, regardless of editing, the best shot in the challenge took the blue. |
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11/03/2008 11:56:07 AM · #7 |
I had #5 winning the blue, but nonetheless all top 10 were wonderfully done. It was a fun challenge.
Personally, I did worse than last time (street 2), but frankly I enjoyed this image much more.
Message edited by author 2008-11-03 13:07:25. |
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11/03/2008 12:32:34 PM · #8 |
Originally posted by Melethia:
In my opinion, regardless of editing, the best shot in the challenge took the blue. |
I agree about the Blue but in terms of Street Photography the site never seems to budge far from the same old processed slick stuff. Since I put in a good deal of time studying the genre, this is one of those Challenges topics I wished and prayed (and I ain't religious) that some change or shift in the sites mentality will take hold.
Dissapointed... |
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11/03/2008 12:38:03 PM · #9 |
| I think the first and second ribbons are well deserved. The third one looks set up (and the author, in all honesty, kind of agrees too in the comments that it is not a 'candid' shot). Oh well... thanks for the posthumous ribbons thread then, eh.. so we could honor those that were truly candid. |
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11/03/2008 01:12:17 PM · #10 |
I think all 3 Ribbons were well deserved...
In fact this is the only challenge EVER that I have given the 3 Ribbon winners my top scores. They were the only entries that I gave 8 and above to! And in the top ten I only gave one a six the others were all 7's
That hardly ever happens for me!
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11/03/2008 01:33:58 PM · #11 |
Originally posted by ThingFish:
I only joined last month but I already see that some of the voting here makes absolutely no sense at all.
...there are some shots that I would not even put in an average quality family snapshot album yet some people voted a 10 on shots like that...and then there are fantastic winning shots where people voted a 1 or a 2.
Another thing...I made 114 comments and only received 6. Hmmmmmmm makes me feel less inclined to keep on making so many comments as it takes a lot of time. |
You've hit on a few issues that frustrate many of us. It's not so much a low vote on a shot that is good or great, but rahter, the lack of feedback from the voter who left that vote to tell you why it was so poor in their eyes. I do know there are some here who will vote no higher than a 3 if they feel it is DNMC, and others who have different criteria. One member told me he gave my entry a 2 because he felt it lacked artistic intent. From that perspective, he was right, and that is his criteria. I do appreciate the fact that he told me what his criteria was, so I knew. This does not account for all the low votes, though. As long as anyone can register and vote anonymously, we'll have that issue here.
Use the comments you do receive, and the voting breakdown as a guide of sorts. You can get a fair idea from interpreting some of those other indicators. It takes an awful lot of mass appeal to get over a 6. Just look at the voting breakdowns on your high fives, and you will see that many folks thought they were quite good.
Please keep commenting. It's More for yourself. By making yourself decide why a photo works or does not work for you, you will gain insight that will help improve your own photography. |
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11/03/2008 01:48:29 PM · #12 |
Originally posted by kevip6:
I think all 3 Ribbons were well deserved...
In fact this is the only challenge EVER that I have given the 3 Ribbon winners my top scores. They were the only entries that I gave 8 and above to! And in the top ten I only gave one a six the others were all 7's
That hardly ever happens for me! |
Wow! You really aligned with the "masses" this time... congrats;-) That rarely happens with me.
By the way your storm clouds picture is amaaazing... on your profile. |
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11/03/2008 01:54:38 PM · #13 |
With much weaker skillset than many, and with an anxious personality, I actually had a really hard time taking a candid shot from up close because I didnt want to ask the gentleman to 'pose' for me... I was in fact advised in one of the comments to have asked the person to pose......and had I made the subject aware of the shot, I could have avoided the big dark blob that came in the way of me getting a tad better score (according to the comments)... but I just didnt want to *cheat* and am happy with the score;-)
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11/03/2008 02:01:00 PM · #14 |
If you want a lot of comments:
a) you must have a really stunning photo.
b) you must have a really abysmal photo
c) you must post a "critique my photo" outside of the challenge
d) join a side challenge
Honestly, I would love to comment on all the photos, but very few people have the time and energy. I would say most would rather spend that energy on a select few shots and the rest on taking pictures. Some people are truly wonderful here with the number of comments, but others find it hard to find the time.
Favs are always fun to get and kind of signifies that you connected with someone else on a personal level. Don't let the lack of comments get you down. If you really want some feedback try posting to the forum at large or send some PMs to some photogs that you respect here and ask for feedback. I haven't seen a case where some one does not reply to such requests. People are willing to give feedback, just ask for some if you really want it. |
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11/03/2008 02:08:50 PM · #15 |
| I still think it would be a great idea to have a check box with submissions to indicate if feedback is desired or not. This would help those of us that do a lot of commenting to place the efforts where they are wanted. |
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11/03/2008 02:09:57 PM · #16 |
Originally posted by yospiff:
I still think it would be a great idea to have a check box with submissions to indicate if feedback is desired or not. This would help those of us that do a lot of commenting to place the efforts where they are wanted. |
Agree 100%. I commented on every shot in the challenge and have no idea if half the people even read them. Or wanted them. I'd much prefer to comment on those who ask. |
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11/03/2008 02:23:05 PM · #17 |
Originally posted by Melethia:
Originally posted by yospiff:
I still think it would be a great idea to have a check box with submissions to indicate if feedback is desired or not. This would help those of us that do a lot of commenting to place the efforts where they are wanted. |
Agree 100%. I commented on every shot in the challenge and have no idea if half the people even read them. Or wanted them. I'd much prefer to comment on those who ask. |
We already have a checkbox with the submission to ask for critique analysis... but its not visible with an entry. But I think you are referring to a new box, right Deb? Even with the skepticism that most of the participants will check this new proposed box ON, I agree such a box will help.
Message edited by author 2008-11-03 14:23:32. |
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11/03/2008 02:55:59 PM · #18 |
I rarely vote, but I did this time, and only made a few comments. I find it difficult to assign numbers to represent my response. As well, there are pictures that take me a long time to know what my response is, so some that in the end I really do like get neither vote nor comment from me, even though I return to them more than once or twice. As well, it takes a long time to formulate a comment even when I do zero in on my response.
I cannot imagine that my difficulties are that unusual, although it is true that I am a terrible shopper: if our consumer economy depended on me.... In any case I would like to assure newer members chagrined by votes and comments received (or not), that it can be a very hit or miss situation: not every vote nor every absence of comment is ultimately indicative. |
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11/03/2008 03:33:47 PM · #19 |
Originally posted by pawdrix:
Originally posted by Melethia:
In my opinion, regardless of editing, the best shot in the challenge took the blue. |
I agree about the Blue but in terms of Street Photography the site never seems to budge far from the same old processed slick stuff. Since I put in a good deal of time studying the genre, this is one of those Challenges topics I wished and prayed (and I ain't religious) that some change or shift in the sites mentality will take hold.
Dissapointed... |
I agree in that some completely missed the point of street photography, the most glaring being the purposely staged shots but I can't help but wonder if you would change your tune a little if the photos with the "slick processing" were all in b/w AND the content much better. In other words, do you really think the processing ruined some great shots or that they were just dressing up a photo you probably wouldn't have cared for anyway in the genre? I'm curious because I've seen my share of street/candid photography that had a heavy dodge/burn element that I would also characterize as "slick processing" not to mention the film grain added when shooting film and of course the b/w conversion which further alters the scene and in some cases quite dramatically depending on how you convert it.
Message edited by author 2008-11-03 15:35:49. |
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11/03/2008 03:59:28 PM · #20 |
Originally posted by Prash:
We already have a checkbox with the submission to ask for critique analysis... but its not visible with an entry. But I think you are referring to a new box, right Deb? Even with the skepticism that most of the participants will check this new proposed box ON, I agree such a box will help. |
This would be a new checkbox, not the same thing as the critique club boxes that already exist.
If you go to Worth1000.com, they do what I was suggesting and the entries have underneath them "please critique my entry", or "Please do not critique my entry!". Comments are not wasted on those who say they don't want them.
Message edited by author 2008-11-03 16:00:32. |
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11/03/2008 04:05:54 PM · #21 |
Originally posted by yospiff:
Originally posted by Prash:
We already have a checkbox with the submission to ask for critique analysis... but its not visible with an entry. But I think you are referring to a new box, right Deb? Even with the skepticism that most of the participants will check this new proposed box ON, I agree such a box will help. |
This would be a new checkbox, not the same thing as the critique club boxes that already exist.
If you go to Worth1000.com, they do what I was suggesting and the entries have underneath them "please critique my entry", or "Please do not critique my entry!". Comments are not wasted on those who say they don't want them. |
Actually, you wouldn't even need a new check box. There's a critique box already on the submission page so just make the results of that box viewable on the voting page. Those entries would still get into the Critique Club queue as always but in addition they may get more critiques from regular commenters who see they are open to critiques. |
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11/03/2008 05:17:40 PM · #22 |
Originally posted by yanko:
Originally posted by pawdrix:
Originally posted by Melethia:
In my opinion, regardless of editing, the best shot in the challenge took the blue. |
I agree about the Blue but in terms of Street Photography the site never seems to budge far from the same old processed slick stuff. Since I put in a good deal of time studying the genre, this is one of those Challenges topics I wished and prayed (and I ain't religious) that some change or shift in the sites mentality will take hold.
Dissapointed... |
I agree in that some completely missed the point of street photography, the most glaring being the purposely staged shots but I can't help but wonder if you would change your tune a little if the photos with the "slick processing" were all in b/w AND the content much better. In other words, do you really think the processing ruined some great shots ... |
No, I think the posing is what soured a few images for me and the fact that they were voted high reflects badly on either the voters OR that there was missed potential in the learning experience.
Anything that was set up in any way shape or degree isn't in the spirit of Street Photography from what I have taken from my studies on the genre. Even with a broad definition that would be one of the things it is not.
Spontaneity...the "decisive moment" all that little stuff carries BIG weight with me. As far as processing goes, SP ain't pretty...Again, to keep in the true spirit of things.
I guess it boils down to going out and spending hours and hours hunting for....shapes, forms, shadows, light, geometry, candid movement...gestures...action etc. hoping it's understood. You never know where it is but when it's there "BANG"! For me it's about the hunt.
I had an exhbition during the month of August and the images were well recieved. There were folks there from the press, The New York Times, some buyers etc. and one thing that a few people wanted to clarify was whether or not some of the shots were candid. They wanted to hear it from my mouth. They held that at a very high premium...no joke. So to them and for myself that's a super big thing, not taken lightly.
BTW is there an ability to turn off comments? Like if I don't want people to comment on certain shots, is there an option? I don't mean to edit out ones that I don't like but none at all.
Message edited by author 2008-11-03 17:56:36. |
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11/03/2008 05:50:05 PM · #23 |
I dont really agree with you. I "played" with my shot (left it in color, made a border, created a DOF, that was not there in first place, etc).
Of course I tried several versions among them, a BW of course, which I did not like actually. So If you care take a look and possibly leave a comment ;) |
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11/03/2008 08:57:32 PM · #24 |
Originally posted by ssocrates:
I dont really agree with you. I "played" with my shot......... ;) |
Cool but what don't you agree with? |
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11/03/2008 09:39:09 PM · #25 |
| I am also new to this and not to sure if I want to comment on the truely awful ones as they can figure out my profile and mark me a low comment next time..I only want to give positive/constructive comments not comments to insult people...like I have seen some do...here is what I do...I vote on all photos enter recently I have lowered my highest score to 6/7/8 and award the truely awsome pictures with 9/10. Then I go through them several times and I try to comment on the top ones...there are just to many in each group to vote on....and many of you don't get the themes...I know you want to think out of the box...but street photography is pretty self-explainatory....I keep hoping that people will make more comments on what I have "started" out with for my profiles and give me some constructive advice...in both editing and composition....I want to grow and learn... |
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