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04/15/2004 02:05:56 PM · #26 |
I noticed that I was rating photos lower on the first challenge I had a score I was not happy with. It was the, my photo is better then that and I'm getting a 4.5, so I can't give them more then what I'm getting... Since then I chose to not vote when my photo is doing less then expected and to make up for it I vote in more challenges that I don't enter.
It's not fair to others to get low scores from me just because I'm not happy with my score.
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04/15/2004 02:48:14 PM · #27 |
Originally posted by bitfarmer:
In any democracy, you can not know how the scorings go until votations are closed, as knowing partial result will chanche the voting intentions of those that still are deciding what to vote. |
unfortunately, due to the phalanx of pollsters and media organizations chomping at the bit for stories, that's just not true any longer. there are relatively few surprises in democratic voting anymore.
the most important question here is: what is a "votation" ?  j/k
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04/15/2004 09:38:05 PM · #28 |
Originally posted by dsray:
Everybody's drops, it's consistent, deal with it. Or get a grant to study it~ |
Agreed...if every one drops, it is basically all in proportion to each other so the only thing that this means is that the top scorers will be a little bit lower than if a new plan was implemented to stop the dropping of scores. Also, with scores dropping (and for whatever reason) the best photos probably do tend to drop less because they are, in fact, THE BEST...so therefor the best photos remain what they should be and the competition is pushed back but they never really hada chance because they were never going to be the best. (if that makes any sense whatsoever).
And to reitterate what EddyG said, sometimes scores go up, just like my current Strength submission...this dropping is probably more likely to happen in open challenges, and the opposite is happening to me in an open challenge.
!!!,
Lee
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04/16/2004 06:09:17 AM · #29 |
The scoring method of averaging the scores creats a distribution the 'pulls' everyone toward the middle. It is much harder to place in the second standard deviation above the average, than in the first; but it is also more difficult to place in the second standard deviation below the average than in the first. This is not a bad thing at all, it just makes it much more likely the photos that place are the ones with the most widespread appeal.
The stats we see are fun to watch, but an average without the standard deviation is of limited usefulness. As the standard deviation of any particular photo can be calculated at the end of the voting from the graph, it is already there to some degree. What is not there at all (that I can find) is a way to tell how the photo is doing relative to the other entries. This is just one more form of feedback, and one that I would find very interesting. Everytime I check on my first submission I can not help but wonder how it is doing over all. It would be very nice to be able to see where I am in the distribution.
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04/16/2004 08:15:12 AM · #30 |
I rather think most of my scores tend to go up over the voting period ... when I'm looking at them, anyway. Does that just make me weird?
Another proposal to throw into the mix: how about removing the top five and bottom five scores fromm the final voting calculation? After all, if people are really using multiple accounts, and people are really trolling, they're going to vote 10, or 1. If your image has scored without those factors, the distribution ov votes should be unaffected by that effect anyway.
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04/16/2004 08:53:17 AM · #31 |
If you really want to see if there's some kind of voting trend for those who enter and vote in challenges, then add these statistics, e.g.:
Avg (entered): ...
Avg (not entered): ...
If it's really a big concern, you could discard votes lower than a voter's final score. |
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04/16/2004 09:00:45 AM · #32 |
| Dale, calculating and displaying those two stats has been on "the list" for a while. Maybe D&L will implement it someday... I'm all for it! |
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04/16/2004 11:34:29 AM · #33 |
"The list" should be prominently displayed somewhere rather than tucked away in a forum post.
Maybe that's a suggestion that's already on the list. ;-)
I'm surprised D&L haven't delegated smaller tasks to people they know (and trust).
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04/19/2004 12:56:36 PM · #34 |
Originally posted by EddyG:
I've been a strong advocate of hiding scores until they've finished voting for a long time (Unfortunately, I can't find any references except this thread and this thread). I do think "self-serving voting" (what bitfarmer describes) is a problem.
My idea is to hide scores/comments until users have clicked an "I'm finished voting" button (which wouldn't be available at all until you've reached the required 20% minimum). At that point, users are free to go back and leave comments, their votes would be "locked", and their score and comments would be displayed on the front page as they are now.
This would likely encourage more people to vote as well, since if they want to see their score before the results are posted, they'd have to vote, instead of just "taking advantage" of the site and submitting without returning the courtesy of voting. |
I strongly agree with this. Since the advent of easy thumbnail voting changes, this issue is more significant. |
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04/19/2004 02:15:36 PM · #35 |
| Think about which people like to do most (or are most addicted to, if you prefer) -- voting or watching their score? If, like me, you think voting would come second behind score watching you must admit that the number of votes would go way down if you had to end your voting to see your score. There would be more people who don't vote at all. |
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04/19/2004 02:21:23 PM · #36 |
Originally posted by coolhar:
There would be more people who don't vote at all. |
Harvey, why is that such a bad thing? I think forcing people to vote/comment who don't want to is not very constructive. I would rather know the people voting were enthusiastic about what they are doing. |
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04/19/2004 02:45:32 PM · #37 |
| Maybe this has been suggested, but if not, I'd like to propose that the %ile scores be shown during the challenge, not just the numerical scores. |
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04/19/2004 02:49:43 PM · #38 |
| No one is being forced to vote. But why give them an incentive to end voting prematurely? Voting should be encouraged. |
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