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 04/14/2004 07:45:39 PM · #1
I did fair in the Wheels challenge (exactly 50% 5.194), and I got 27 votes of 1,2 or 3. I am not complaining about that, but what I have an issue with is that NONE of those voters seemed to comment. The comments i received are helpful and appreciated but are far less than 27 in number and their tone meakes me think that they are not the '1' or '2' vote givers.

My picture was on topic, properly focused, exposed, etc. So why would anyone give below a 4?

To quote the Rules section of this site If you feel a photograph deserves a vote of 1, 2 or 3, it is suggested that you include a comment with your vote explaining why you felt it deserved a "below average" score.

If my entry is that bad in your eyes, tell me what you are seeing that is so objectionable!
If you help me to make pretty pictures via your feedback then you will not have to look at such trash as you think this entry is. LOL

I leave many comments, and always on pics i give a 1,2 or 3 to. I only ask the same from the community.

Thanks.

Photo in question

04/14/2004 08:04:10 PM · #2
Because when you tell that such photo lacks this and that and your score is 1 or 2,you get blasted in the forums and you will get bunch of nasty e-mails suggesting you to either fix your monitor or get prescription glasses!
 04/14/2004 08:08:16 PM · #3
Once someone ask me "am I drunk again ?" !!!!!! (for giving 1)
 04/14/2004 08:12:46 PM · #4
Originally posted by bestagents:
I did fair in the Wheels challenge (exactly 50% 5.194), and I got 27 votes of 1,2 or 3. I am not complaining about that, but what I have an issue with is that NONE of those voters seemed to comment. The comments i received are helpful and appreciated but are far less than 27 in number and their tone meakes me think that they are not the '1' or '2' vote givers.

My picture was on topic, properly focused, exposed, etc. So why would anyone give below a 4?

To quote the Rules section of this site If you feel a photograph deserves a vote of 1, 2 or 3, it is suggested that you include a comment with your vote explaining why you felt it deserved a "below average" score.

If my entry is that bad in your eyes, tell me what you are seeing that is so objectionable!
If you help me to make pretty pictures via your feedback then you will not have to look at such trash as you think this entry is. LOL

I leave many comments, and always on pics i give a 1,2 or 3 to. I only ask the same from the community.

Thanks.

Photo in question


I didn't rate this (I didn't do many in the wheels challenge at all). But here's some feedback for you.

Impressions: A very nice panoramic composition, looks realistic despite the fact that it's a model. On topic as you said.

Critical: Some burned out areas, one on the top horizontal shaft just above the elbow, and possibly the areas behind/between the wheels. The middle wheel is vdfy sharp, almost looks oversharpened, but that might be the model Yet the rightmost wheel seems soft. Did you selectively sharpen this? Also that right wheel lacks some of the contrast of the middle wheel, which might also suggest a masked USM or manually applied sharpening/unsharpening. Also not sure there's real black here. I think you could have moved the black level up a notch to this image's improvement.

Personally, if I scored this, it would be either a 5 or 6. I think it lacks the pop you need to do better on this site.
 04/14/2004 08:13:18 PM · #5
I think this train wheels lokk kinda cool, But there can be some improving, the lightning is too harsh, there are overexposure, the picture doesnt seem sharp enough, and it could also be that it looks small cause its so thin, I gave it a 6 cause it looked kinda cool And could be a strong photograph with some improvments.

Heiða
 04/14/2004 08:14:18 PM · #6
I gave it a six. Technically it looks over exposed. Appeal wasn't that great, and the large border was a distraction.

On the bright side this also helps to explain why you think some of my photos are underexposed.
 04/14/2004 08:18:36 PM · #7
Originally posted by garrywhite2:
I gave it a six. Technically it looks over exposed. Appeal wasn't that great, and the large border was a distraction.

On the bright side this also helps to explain why you think some of my photos are underexposed.


The bold black frame highlights the overexposed shot. The blackness of the frame seem to push down the contrast a lot. Maybe a white border or no border some people may have scored higher.

What's your mindset on the border for this shot?
 04/14/2004 08:35:36 PM · #8
Originally posted by nshapiro:


I didn't rate this (I didn't do many in the wheels challenge at all). But here's some feedback for you.

Impressions: A very nice panoramic composition, looks realistic despite the fact that it's a model. On topic as you said.

Critical: Some burned out areas, one on the top horizontal shaft just above the elbow, and possibly the areas behind/between the wheels. The middle wheel is vdfy sharp, almost looks oversharpened, but that might be the model Yet the rightmost wheel seems soft. Did you selectively sharpen this? Also that right wheel lacks some of the contrast of the middle wheel, which might also suggest a masked USM or manually applied sharpening/unsharpening. Also not sure there's real black here. I think you could have moved the black level up a notch to this image's improvement.

Personally, if I scored this, it would be either a 5 or 6. I think it lacks the pop you need to do better on this site.


First, thanks for responding / commenting.
Next, the edits you suggest (selective and masking) are not permitted under Basic editing rules, so those were of course not done.
As to blown out or no true blacks, I used PS and set markers to watch the levels on specific areas - none hit 255,255,255 or 0,0,0. So where there may be noo true black, there is nothing 'technically' blown out - there is data in every pixel of the image (well, ok, i may have missed one or two). I prefer 'bright' pics to 'dark' pics, so i vote and get votes that are skewed a bit that direction.

It is sharpened, yes. That is one of the items i am 'playing with', as well as lighting. So the lighting could be a bit better, but i like the sharpening. Tough call on a model as the small metal items show large machining marks that show up when sharpened. The soft vs sharp wheel i think is a lighting thing.

I think 5 is fair, 6 fair to generous.

EDIT: I went back into PS and looked at it - yes, there are some places blown out. Oops. See, I am learning! Thanks!

Message edited by author 2004-04-14 20:42:50.
 04/14/2004 08:42:12 PM · #9
Originally posted by garrywhite2:
I gave it a six. Technically it looks over exposed. Appeal wasn't that great, and the large border was a distraction.

On the bright side this also helps to explain why you think some of my photos are underexposed.


I lean toward liking brighter pics. Most of my experience has been in the print world and there things are lightened because they tend to darken when web printed. It willbe very hard for me to change i'm afraid.
 04/14/2004 08:48:33 PM · #10
Hi, Bestagents.
I gave it 5. Mainly I wasn't crazy for the tones and focus.

It looks/looked like a toy model to me and overall not too exciting to view. As nshapiro said some areas appear too sharp.
It's not a bad photo, not at all.
 04/14/2004 08:53:53 PM · #11
I gave you an 8 on this. The focus is a bit narrow and it looks a bit blown-out IMHO. The strands of lint (?) are a bit distracting also; IMO of course. Hope this helped!
 04/14/2004 08:53:59 PM · #12
I think the 1,2,3s votes are simply stating they feel train wheels are cliché, since technically the shot was ok.

Message edited by author 2004-04-14 20:55:10.
 04/14/2004 08:59:24 PM · #13
For every photo there seems to be a more or less normal distribution of scores. It is easy to fixate on the low ones but for each one lower then the center of the distribution there is one higher. I can only guess as to why some people scored your photo below a 4, and of course that is the problem with out comments we can only guess. One thought is that there were a lot of photos of wheels on toys and it is possible that after seeing a bunch of toys in a row some people started scoring toy wheel photos low. There are some problems with the photo and I only gave it a 4 myself. The way the lighting is every bit of dust lights up giving it a rather odd look. The exposure also looks a bit high to me. Is also is a straight on shot that does not have much interest in it, it is a photo of toy wheels but beyond that you can̢۪t say much about it. The fad of turning every photos into B/W to make them look different does not work for me in every case. I like B/W photos that have good tonal range but that seems to be missing in this photo.

It would be nice if people who left scores below a 4 would also leave a reason but I am not sure how useful the comments would be. When a photo clearly deserves to be rated at 3 or below there always seems to be a lot of comments. I can only conclude that in cases like yours the people who are voting at 3 or below are not being very serious about the voting.

BTW looking at how the other photos in the challenge none of the toy wheel photos did very well, in fact your did just about the best.
04/14/2004 09:02:01 PM · #14
Originally posted by faidoi:

The bold black frame highlights the overexposed shot. The blackness of the frame seem to push down the contrast a lot. Maybe a white border or no border some people may have scored higher.

What's your mindset on the border for this shot?

Am experiemnting with borders to some extent. Tried for a small black frame to set the b&w pic off from the background gray.

Here is one with a white border that has been darkened a bit.
Is this better? (border and darkness)
 04/14/2004 09:08:17 PM · #15
Originally posted by scottwilson:
For every photo there seems to be a more or less normal distribution of scores. It is easy to fixate on the low ones but for each one lower then the center of the distribution there is one higher. I can only guess as to why some people scored your photo below a 4, and of course that is the problem with out comments we can only guess. One thought is that there were a lot of photos of wheels on toys and it is possible that after seeing a bunch of toys in a row some people started scoring toy wheel photos low. There are some problems with the photo and I only gave it a 4 myself. The way the lighting is every bit of dust lights up giving it a rather odd look. The exposure also looks a bit high to me. Is also is a straight on shot that does not have much interest in it, it is a photo of toy wheels but beyond that you can̢۪t say much about it. The fad of turning every photos into B/W to make them look different does not work for me in every case. I like B/W photos that have good tonal range but that seems to be missing in this photo.

It would be nice if people who left scores below a 4 would also leave a reason but I am not sure how useful the comments would be. When a photo clearly deserves to be rated at 3 or below there always seems to be a lot of comments. I can only conclude that in cases like yours the people who are voting at 3 or below are not being very serious about the voting.

BTW looking at how the other photos in the challenge none of the toy wheel photos did very well, in fact your did just about the best.


Thanks. I only used one light, on the left of the image and room light. Hense the harshness. Went b&w for two reasons - one being the model has a bright red gearbox that is way way distracting from this angle. Second, as you coudl tell form the other train pics, steam engines are native to the b&w era of photography. As to angle..well, if my layout had any scenery i might have tried that, but this was on a table and to include any backghround would have spoiled the illusion, however thin it might have been. Dust. Ahh, dust. Took this model from a box. never looked nor dusted it until I saw the dust when beginning work in PS. Cloning is not allowed...so a reshoot was the only option, and time was of the essence. For that flaw, yeah, gimme a 1. LOL Some of the other flaws, or choices, were of a practical nature for the most part.

thanks
 08/28/2004 02:54:03 AM · #16
I dislike it when ppl dont comment I always try to for sure if i give it a 5 or less
 08/28/2004 03:28:17 AM · #17
I don't think I one to comment on this but hope you don't mind me putting my 2 cents worth in. If I could of voted on your picture I would of given it a 5.
I would of like to of seen it more old style look. See picture below because im learning to (comments welcome).
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