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04/14/2004 09:00:11 AM · #1 |
I thought for sure I was going to get at least above a 6 with this one. What do you think hurt it the most? I am willing to bet most of you are going to say the border even though I thought it looked better with it than without... Comments on the image are fine too.
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04/14/2004 09:04:36 AM · #2 |
Originally posted by eostyles:
I thought for sure I was going to get at least above a 6 with this one. What do you think hurt it the most? I am willing to bet most of you are going to say the border even though I thought it looked better with it than without... Comments on the image are fine too.
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This really surprised me, that it didn't score much higher. Wasn't this one put forward for DQ and did you ever get an explanation as to why?
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04/14/2004 09:09:06 AM · #3 |
Someone thought they saw it in a magazine ad which is actually a compliment or at least I think it is.
This really surprised me, that it didn't score much higher. Wasn't this one put forward for DQ and did you ever get an explanation as to why? [/quote] |
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04/14/2004 09:09:46 AM · #4 |
| People tend to vote lower on smaller pictures, I gave it a high score though, cause I´m a sucker for porsche! Good picture :) |
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04/14/2004 09:11:46 AM · #5 |
| I scored this a 7. Technically it's a very good picture I think, good lighting, good composition, sharp focus, interesting colors. But if you're not interested in cars (like me) it's not a very interesting picture, sorry. |
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04/14/2004 09:22:05 AM · #6 |
It had to do with the challenge, "WHEELS".
Originally posted by nicoledb:
I scored this a 7. Technically it's a very good picture I think, good lighting, good composition, sharp focus, interesting colors. But if you're not interested in cars (like me) it's not a very interesting picture, sorry. |
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04/14/2004 09:23:03 AM · #7 |
It could only go 10 pixels more wide.
Originally posted by heida:
People tend to vote lower on smaller pictures, I gave it a high score though, cause I´m a sucker for porsche! Good picture :) |
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04/14/2004 09:34:20 AM · #8 |
Originally posted by eostyles:
It had to do with the challenge, "WHEELS".
Originally posted by nicoledb:
I scored this a 7. Technically it's a very good picture I think, good lighting, good composition, sharp focus, interesting colors. But if you're not interested in cars (like me) it's not a very interesting picture, sorry. |
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I'm with Nicole. It's a well taken image, I'd probably have given it a 6 or possibly a 7.
But your comment about it having to do with the challenge theme makes me think you have missed one important aspect of a successful image.
This is just my personal opinion but in order for an image to really succeed here it has to consider all of the following:
* Meeting the challenge
* Well taken (I'm of the camp that feels a photo does not have to be technically perfect in order to really communicate/ succeed but it certainly helps if it's reasonably well taken and image quality etc is up to scratch)
* Original/ Creative (Whilst I don't automatically score images down for being unoriginal, unless they really are absolute copies of an existing images, I do score UP for images that strike me as particularly inventive, imaginative, unusual)
* INTERESTING/ APPEALING (I think this is the one that many people do miss. Having achieved all the above, does the image also appeal on it's own? If someone saw the image outside of the challenge or outside of this site would it be an image they would really like/ want? Does the image create an emotional reaction on the part of the viewer?)
This last element is also the hardest to achieve but I think that the vast majority of ribbon winners are images that would appeal outside of the challenge/ site as well as within the context of the challenge itself.
I can't say HOW to achieve this, if you look at my own entries you can see that I certainly have not done so yet... but I do know as a voter and viewer that many images fail on this final point for me.
PS Your image is certainly one I could see in a magazine advert/ specific context.
Message edited by author 2004-04-14 09:35:07.
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04/14/2004 09:42:02 AM · #9 |
Thanks. Well, one of these days I'll get it. Unfortunatly my "Strength" isn't going to be the one.. lol
I also wish the people that gave it a one would comment. I don't think I have ever given a picture a one and don't think any deserve it to be honest with you.
Message edited by author 2004-04-14 09:43:13. |
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04/14/2004 11:45:13 AM · #10 |
I liked it, gave it a 7. If the logo in teh center had been straight or a more appealing angle (whatever that is) then i'd have ranked it up one more. The border i like - verymuch like a poster to hang on the wall. the aspect ratio might have hurt you a bit, but then my entry was similarly proportioned so i can't knock you for that.
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04/14/2004 12:02:10 PM · #11 |
Originally posted by eostyles:
I thought for sure I was going to get at least above a 6 with this one. What do you think hurt it the most? I am willing to bet most of you are going to say the border even though I thought it looked better with it than without... Comments on the image are fine too.
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It's a great picture. I love the lighting, the sleek lines, the close crop, the colors - all of which make a very delicious photo - and it makes viewers think.
But some voters (perhaps a significant proportion of them) may have literal interpretation of photographs. If the picture can't be in a Hallmark card or stock photography or brochure, be easy on the eyes, etc., it's voted down. I can't blame them. We are here to be entertained, not think - we don't have much time to view an entry and critique it in much time it deserves to be critiqued. Many are trigger happy when it comes to voting.
Unfortunately your photograph is in the border line between nice ... and art. "Arty" photographs, unless they are really really really brilliant, don't do well here, I think.
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Ooops, I forgot ... some may have not seen the wheel in the picture too because of the close crop. Who knows?
Message edited by author 2004-04-14 12:05:21. |
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04/14/2004 12:05:12 PM · #12 |
| Personally, I thought this one was lovely. It got an 8 from me, and I didn't give a lot of those out. The fact that I'm a fan of cars did little to influence my opinion in this case.. I liked the composition, the focus was good, and the colour's excellent. I actually disagree with the people who wanted the logo straight up and down.. I think it has a much more "driven" feel with it turned... almost like it's moving forward. |
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04/14/2004 12:48:49 PM · #13 |
Thanks for the positive feedbacks. As much as the negative things help to make us better, its the positive one's that keep us going...
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04/14/2004 12:52:12 PM · #14 |
| Border added distraction and took away lot of points... |
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04/14/2004 01:00:40 PM · #15 |
Originally posted by eostyles:
I am willing to bet most of you are going to say the border even though I thought it looked better with it than without... |
I saw this while I was flicking through the challenge (I didn't vote), and my thought was 'great shot, shame about the border'. I was going to comment on it, but got distracted.
As pitsaman said, a border in the shot itself is very distracting. Of all types of border, this is the one I think is possibly worst.
I appreciate you saying it looked better, probably because it better balanced the shot. If this was the case I'd suggest playing around more with external borders.. I spend probably 25-50% of my time when editing a shot for DPC just choosing the thickness and colour of a border. (Not that it seems to have helped, mind..) |
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04/14/2004 01:50:32 PM · #16 |
| I liked it too. 7 from me. I think it was missing the scantily clad girls that are normally tacked onto Porsche photos ;-) |
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04/14/2004 04:21:19 PM · #17 |
You asked, so i'll point out what I personally think is lacking.
It looks a little oversharpened...there are some jaggies on the cap, for instance.
Red is the only dominant colour here, too, so I would have desaturated the other colours a bit to get some nice grey tones in the wheel instead of the rainbow effect that you got, which IMHO, shows the lack of pro quality lighting.
It is smaller than 640 on both sides, and a lot of people will notice that. Always, always maximise the resolution even if you have to compress slightly.
The border is the biggest issue. A lot of people (myself included) don't like borders like this and will mark a photo down for it. I didn't vote on your image, but I think the border, as it is, is very distracting. As a side, how is this not spot editing??? |
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04/14/2004 04:40:37 PM · #18 |
I agree.. the image was great, but the frame is so distracting, that it made the image hard to focus on without getting caught in the lines of the frame.
Remove the frame and repost, I bet it would 200% better!
Message edited by author 2004-04-14 16:40:50. |
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04/14/2004 05:30:25 PM · #19 |
Thanks for you remarks.
Just to comment on a few of them (always like a good discussion):
The size is only 10 pixels smaller than 640 Horizontal. Of course its much smaller the other way but I felt the panaramic gave the wheel what it needed to look better.
The border I can't comment on. Either you like it or you don't. I have had a lot of good and bad so I guess that is all in one's taste. I personally thought it looked good but I guess its like they say: "Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder" (or some jazz like that)
Last but not least. I DID NOT spot edit... And plus, if I did, which I didn't, don't you think I would have taken some of the dirt off of the brake...
Originally posted by jimmythefish:
You asked, so i'll point out what I personally think is lacking.
It looks a little oversharpened...there are some jaggies on the cap, for instance.
Red is the only dominant colour here, too, so I would have desaturated the other colours a bit to get some nice grey tones in the wheel instead of the rainbow effect that you got, which IMHO, shows the lack of pro quality lighting.
It is smaller than 640 on both sides, and a lot of people will notice that. Always, always maximise the resolution even if you have to compress slightly.
The border is the biggest issue. A lot of people (myself included) don't like borders like this and will mark a photo down for it. I didn't vote on your image, but I think the border, as it is, is very distracting. As a side, how is this not spot editing??? |
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04/14/2004 05:41:00 PM · #20 |
I gave it a six because the border kept drawing my attention away. It annoyed the hell out of me.
I'd prefer it without or a little more to the edges with a thinner line.
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04/14/2004 08:12:51 PM · #21 |
I'm saying that altering pixels (adding them in a non-global fashion) inside of the image is in effect spot-editing and against the rules, and yet people claim that borders which do so are OK. If I had an offending dust mark at a certain point, I couldn't clone it out but I could put a border on the image that was the same colour as the background and it'd be OK by everyone? There's no difference. Borders like that are IMHO spot-editing.
As for the image only being 10 pixels smaller, I still don't understand why you'd short-change yourself that way. Why not make it 640 x XXX and keep the aspect ratio??? I think 640 is too small already...
Originally posted by eostyles:
Thanks for you remarks.
Just to comment on a few of them (always like a good discussion):
The size is only 10 pixels smaller than 640 Horizontal. Of course its much smaller the other way but I felt the panaramic gave the wheel what it needed to look better.
The border I can't comment on. Either you like it or you don't. I have had a lot of good and bad so I guess that is all in one's taste. I personally thought it looked good but I guess its like they say: "Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder" (or some jazz like that)
Last but not least. I DID NOT spot edit... And plus, if I did, which I didn't, don't you think I would have taken some of the dirt off of the brake... |
Message edited by author 2004-04-14 20:19:57. |
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04/14/2004 09:09:37 PM · #22 |
Well, about the 640, I honestly didn't know it was smaller than 640 until someone said something about it. I thought I did make it 640. Oops.
And I can see where you are coming from on the border being a cover for a mess up but I can honestly say I didn't do that with mine. If I did I should have covered up the brake dust on the brake.
I wonder how many people didn't even know this was a wheel to a car? |
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04/14/2004 10:03:16 PM · #23 |
| Lets see, I look at your profile and find this is the 4th challenge you've entered. None of your entries have done less than 5.something. I'm not gripeing, but I have only 1 challenge where I scored over 5 and that was serendipity. I happened to be in the right place at the right time. Please spare me your disappointment. |
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