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10/09/2008 10:14:01 AM · #1

The National Debt Clock has run out of numbers....

Go Bush!

Chinabun

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10/09/2008 10:27:57 AM · #2

...and it will be higher when the dems pass the next stimulus check.

I think it's funny how so many people think that Obamas policy is going to save America. As far as the tax cuts go they are pretty stupid. They want to make all the big businesses pay more taxes but those are the guys who have money to supply the country with more work. Obama said businesses under $250,000 a yr. What company with a lot of workers only makes $250,000 a yr? Those businesses are not helping the economy. The million dollar businesses who employ thousands of people are the ones who can help people get and keep their jobs.

And this goes out to both party's - The first two stimulus checks didnt work so why try for another? My check went into my savings account. I didn't go blow it on the economy because I dont spend every extra penny I get. That's why I have money in the bank, my house, two cars, and only an average income. They want people to get out of debt but yet they want to make another bill to get people to spend more money that they should be using to pay off those cradit cards and all the other stuff they have. This country might as well claim chapter 13 and start over.

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10/09/2008 10:40:26 AM · #3

Originally posted by Chinabun:

and it will be higher when the dems pass the next stimulus check.

I'm sorry, who started their admisistration off with a surplus and a debt on the decline then went all crazy with the national credit card? Starting wars, invading other nations, creating Big Brother agencies... All in all the biggest increase in government in the history of the country. Who was that?

That's right, it was the neo-con Republicans with G.W. Bush leading the charge.

Chinabun

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10/09/2008 10:47:59 AM · #4

Ok, who cares who started it. Who's gonna end it?

Originally posted by Spazmo99:

Originally posted by Chinabun:
and it will be higher when the dems pass the next stimulus check.

I'm sorry, who started their admisistration off with a surplus and a debt on the decline then went all crazy with the national credit card? Starting wars, invading other nations, creating Big Brother agencies... All in all the biggest increase in government in the history of the country. Who was that?

That's right, it was the neo-con Republicans with G.W. Bush leading the charge.

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10/09/2008 10:50:21 AM · #5

Good question.

Originally posted by Chinabun:

Ok, who cares who started it. Who's gonna end it?

Originally posted by Spazmo99:

Originally posted by Chinabun:
and it will be higher when the dems pass the next stimulus check.

I'm sorry, who started their admisistration off with a surplus and a debt on the decline then went all crazy with the national credit card? Starting wars, invading other nations, creating Big Brother agencies... All in all the biggest increase in government in the history of the country. Who was that?

That's right, it was the neo-con Republicans with G.W. Bush leading the charge.

pawdrix

Nikon D700

10/09/2008 11:18:23 AM · #6

Originally posted by Chinabun:

The million dollar businesses who employ thousands of people are the ones who can help people get and keep their jobs.

The problem is that many of the big businesses that have recieved tax cuts in hopes of expanding jobs didn't do so and in fact, many exported jobs. Very little trickles down.

I also don't think as many people view that Obama wil "save" the country as much as he may stop the hemmouraging and bring a healthier way of thinking. He is certainly a more progressive thinker than McCain. Whether or not he will succeed or get ambushed by the far right we won't know until we give him a shot.

Personally I don't like the macho political stances we've been taking over the last 8 years. I find them far from cerebral and an throwback embarassment.

Christiane Amanpour put out something recently that I have only read about where she gathered former Secretaries of State and had a discussion where they ALL basically outlined Obamas stance and approach to foreign affaires. A far cry from Bush and McCain. America sees in Obama a guy that is young, intelligent and more representative of the average citizen. Bush is a blue blood frat boy and McCain is the son of an Admiral... priveleged upbringings. I can't relate to those guys and they have NO idea what it's like to be me. Neither man ever worried about housing, healthcare, employment, retirement...Obama most likey has a clue.

That's honestly good enough for me.

Also knowing who started this mess is helpful so MAYBE their constituents will vote them out and perhaps we will avoid it ever happening again. Barney Frank should step down, for example. He and a whole slew of others. Bush is gone in a few months...praise the lord.

Message edited by author 2008-10-09 12:01:49.

10/09/2008 11:24:31 AM · #7

Originally posted by Chinabun:

Obama said businesses under $250,000 a yr. What company with a lot of workers only makes $250,000 a yr? Those businesses are not helping the economy. The million dollar businesses who employ thousands of people are the ones who can help people get and keep their jobs.

The point isn't that these businesses employ a lot of people, rather that there are a lot of these businesses. Tens of millions of them, compared to roughly 17K businesses that have more than 500 employees. The small companies are the ones creating jobs here, the bigger ones can, and do, export jobs overseas.

Message edited by author 2008-10-09 11:30:31.

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10/09/2008 11:32:48 AM · #8

Originally posted by pawdrix:

[ A far cry from Bush and McCain. America sees in Obama a guy that is young, intelligent and more representative of the average citizen. Bush is a blue blodd frat boy and McCain is the son of an Admiral... priveleged upbringings. I can't relate to those guys and they have NO idea what it's like to be me. Obama most likey has a clue.

McCain may be worse than Bush

pawdrix

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10/09/2008 12:31:47 PM · #9

Originally posted by Spazmo99:

Originally posted by pawdrix:
[ A far cry from Bush and McCain. America sees in Obama a guy that is young, intelligent and more representative of the average citizen. Bush is a blue blodd frat boy and McCain is the son of an Admiral... priveleged upbringings. I can't relate to those guys and they have NO idea what it's like to be me. Obama most likey has a clue.

McCain may be worse than Bush

McCain is no bowl of cherries.

I read a lot about him and one thing in particular about why he differed and split on foriegn policy with other Viet Nam Vets in Congress...Hagle, Kerry (to name a few). Some due to his upbringing and because he spent a good deal of the war in prison, away from the protests giving him a different perspective. Where many Congress Vets partly blame our own government (McNamara, Nixon, Johnson etc) for the mess of VN, McCain's distance from the States left him with a different view where he levels more blame on South Viet Namese, mismanagement and lack of heart on our part, as well.

I think this is the article ...

Message edited by author 2008-10-09 12:37:23.

Azrifel

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10/10/2008 02:43:55 AM · #10

You people are aware that that triljon dollar debt can only be paid back if whomever rules your country next will raise taxes considerably and cuts spending. Everyone of you, including your children has between 80000 and 90000 dollars of taxes to pay, to pay off that debt.....

I am amazed that in these campaings there is ongoing talk about tax cuts. It is simply impossible. Everyone shall have to pay more to get the US out of the sh*t.

one2one

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10/10/2008 08:53:39 AM · #11

Originally posted by Spazmo99:

From that article.

In congress, Rep. John McCain quickly positioned himself as a GOP hard-liner. He voted against honoring Martin Luther King Jr. with a national holiday in 1983 â�� a stance he held through 1989. He backed Reagan on tax cuts for the wealthy, abortion and support for the Nicaraguan contras. He sought to slash federal spending on social programs, and he voted twice against campaign-finance reform. He cites as his "biggest" legislative victory of that era a 1989 bill that abolished catastrophic health insurance for seniors, a move he still cheers as the first-ever repeal of a federal entitlement program.

McCain voted to confirm Robert Bork and Clarence Thomas to the Supreme Court. In 1993, he was the keynote speaker at a fundraiser for a group that sponsored an anti-gay-rights ballot initiative in Oregon. His anti-government fervor was renewed in the Gingrich revolution of 1994, when he called for abolishing the departments of Education and Energy. The following year, he championed a sweeping measure that would have imposed a blanket moratorium on any increase of government oversight.

I don't understand how this person got the nomination in the first place. Makes the repubs look even more desperate than they are.

'Let's just put him there and hope he doesn't f*** it up like the idiot there now.' Must be their thinking...

karmat

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10/10/2008 09:07:28 AM · #12

Originally posted by factcheck.org:

In December 1994, shortly after the Republicans captured control of the House of Representatives for the first time in 40 years, there was much discussion about shrinking the size of government and how Congress could do that. McCain had this exchange with CNN's Frank Sesno on the topic:

Frank Sesno: Senator McCain, would you favor doing away with the Department of Housing and Urban Development or the Department of Energy?

Sen. John McCain: I would certainly favor doing away with the Department of Energy and I think that given the origins of the Department of Education, I would favor doing away with it as well.

We couldn't find any other record of McCain mentioning this idea, and the quote is the only support the Obama campaign provided for its claim. Saying McCain "proposed" abolishing the department, as if it were a legislative initiative, is misleading.

scalvert

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10/10/2008 09:14:03 AM · #13

Originally posted by karmat:

That is hardly calling for the abolishment of those departments (education and energy), but take from it what you will.

Background info FWIW.

eqsite

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10/10/2008 09:17:43 AM · #14

I will admit that the article does come across as a bit "swift-boatish". But how would you characterize those statements that you quoted from factcheck? They likely aren't really relevant to McCain's policies today, but they do seem to speak to his background.

Originally posted by karmat:

I don't have time to check each and every statement made by the Rolling Stone, but from what I can find, they did inaccurately make at least one statement.

McCain's voting record on education can be found here

That is hardly calling for the abolishment of those departments (education and energy), but take from it what you will.

Originally posted by factcheck.org:
In December 1994, shortly after the Republicans captured control of the House of Representatives for the first time in 40 years, there was much discussion about shrinking the size of government and how Congress could do that. McCain had this exchange with CNN's Frank Sesno on the topic:

Frank Sesno: Senator McCain, would you favor doing away with the Department of Housing and Urban Development or the Department of Energy?

Sen. John McCain: I would certainly favor doing away with the Department of Energy and I think that given the origins of the Department of Education, I would favor doing away with it as well.

We couldn't find any other record of McCain mentioning this idea, and the quote is the only support the Obama campaign provided for its claim. Saying McCain "proposed" abolishing the department, as if it were a legislative initiative, is misleading.

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10/10/2008 09:18:03 AM · #15

Originally posted by karmat:

Just the fact that he would mention such a thing speaks volumes.

karmat

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10/10/2008 09:22:22 AM · #16

Originally posted by Spazmo99:

Just the fact that he would mention such a thing speaks volumes.

I'll keep that in mind when I read anything Obama "mentioned" as well, in an interview, outside of Capital Hill.

Regardless of when it was, or what the context was.

(And disclaimer -- I am neither an Obama or a McCain "supporter." I do like accuracy in reporting, whichever side, and that seems to be a major shortcoming in elections.)

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10/10/2008 09:28:44 AM · #17

Originally posted by karmat:

Originally posted by Spazmo99:

Just the fact that he would mention such a thing speaks volumes.

I'll keep that in mind when I read anything Obama "mentioned" as well, in an interview, outside of Capital Hill.

Regardless of when it was, or what the context was.

(And disclaimer -- I am neither an Obama or a McCain "supporter." I do like accuracy in reporting, whichever side, and that seems to be a major shortcoming in elections.)

When asked about cutting 2 other departments, he brings up Education and suggests cutting that? It's not a remark made in passing or something taken out of context.

scalvert

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10/10/2008 09:30:17 AM · #18

Originally posted by karmat:

I do like accuracy in reporting...

Me too, and while we don't know his current attitude, McCain DID say he would favor "doing away with the Department of Energy and... the Department of Education." That much is completely accurate. Is it reasonable to conclude that he would express a different position if the interview were conducted on Capitol Hill?

karmat

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10/10/2008 09:37:32 AM · #19

Things can change in 14 years. . . .

Education was originally a state's responsibility, and from what I've read, and affirmed in the article you posted, that was the basis of that statement.

Would his response be different now? I think it is based on what I've read about his support/light criticism of No Child Left Behind.

citymars

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10/10/2008 09:51:27 AM · #20

What perturbs me is the ugliness displayed at recent rallies for McCain and Palin. The Republican candidates may not be "responsible" for the actions of their supporters, but they encourage those actions by smiling indulgently like parents who are secretly pleased when their children act out.

EDIT to add link to relevant article.

Message edited by author 2008-10-10 09:52:52.