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09/27/2008 03:26:24 AM · #1 |
So the first presidential debate of the term is over. I watched parts of it with much zeal. I am just trying to get a general impression of whether this debate alone has helped people swing their opinion about the two candidates.
Did you switch your opinion about the two, after the debate, and why?
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09/27/2008 04:22:38 AM · #2 |
| I'd be surprised to see too many people change their minds, no matter how either candidate performs. We'd need to see a 'knockout punch' and neither candidate achieved that yesterday. |
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09/27/2008 04:25:06 AM · #3 |
Originally posted by figaro:
I'd be surprised to see too many people change their minds, no matter how either candidate performs. We'd need to see a 'knockout punch' and neither candidate achieved that yesterday. |
Are you a republican? |
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09/27/2008 06:46:34 AM · #4 |
Originally posted by HighNooner:
Originally posted by figaro:
I'd be surprised to see too many people change their minds, no matter how either candidate performs. We'd need to see a 'knockout punch' and neither candidate achieved that yesterday. |
Are you a republican? |
Absolutely not. I wasn't using 'we' to mean either 'we the republicans' or 'we the democrats'. Just to say that I imagine it would take something pretty dramatic to change voters' minds.
Message edited by author 2008-09-27 06:49:14. |
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09/27/2008 07:02:34 AM · #5 |
| I think most people have already figured out who they are voting for. And yes I'm a republican. |
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09/27/2008 07:29:18 AM · #6 |
The problem with our two party system is that most of us knew who we were voting for as soon as we had the nominations finalized. Had the nominations been different, it wouldn't have mattered. We are forced to vote for the lesser of two evils. Case in point is John Mccain. The Republicans have hated that guy practically his whole career. Many of the things he has done in the past have been widely and vocally thrashed by his own party, yet now he's the guy they want for president. That makes absolutely no sense! But it's a prime example of how the political system in this country is completely broken.
Give me 4 or 5 strong candidates and I'll be able to actually pick the one that I REALLY feel will do the best job. Give me 4 or 5 strong candidates and they may be able to say what they actually think instead of pandering to the ideals of their party. Give me 4 or 5 candidates, and my country won't be ruled by lobbyists and special interests.
Until then, I'm stuck voting for the person I think will F up my country the least, and that sucks. |
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09/27/2008 08:07:55 AM · #7 |
| I couldn't agree with you more Jaker. I've voted Libertarian the last few elections |
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09/27/2008 08:41:42 AM · #8 |
Originally posted by Jaker:
The problem with our two party system is that most of us knew who we were voting for as soon as we had the nominations finalized. Had the nominations been different, it wouldn't have mattered. We are forced to vote for the lesser of two evils. Case in point is John Mccain. The Republicans have hated that guy practically his whole career. Many of the things he has done in the past have been widely and vocally thrashed by his own party, yet now he's the guy they want for president. That makes absolutely no sense! But it's a prime example of how the political system in this country is completely broken.
Give me 4 or 5 strong candidates and I'll be able to actually pick the one that I REALLY feel will do the best job. Give me 4 or 5 strong candidates and they may be able to say what they actually think instead of pandering to the ideals of their party. Give me 4 or 5 candidates, and my country won't be ruled by lobbyists and special interests.
Until then, I'm stuck voting for the person I think will F up my country the least, and that sucks. |
So you think either one will F up your country? Too late, it's already f^&(%d up. Which one actually has a plan to move the country forward rather than further down the path Bush has taken it?
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09/27/2008 08:58:28 AM · #9 |
My husband is a republican. I am a democrat. In August, right before the conventions, I wasn't sure who I would vote for and he was voting for John McCain. After Palin and Biden were chosen, I was voting for Obama and he wasn't sure who to vote for.
We watched the debates together last night with the notion that McCain would probably do better. My husband gave the debate but not his vote to McCain. I think they tied, so I am still voting for Obama. A friend of ours, a diehard republican, is a one issue voter in this election: The war in Iraq. He is now voting for Obama.
For me, McCain got tiring. I told my husband before the debate that, at least once, he would bring up his POW experiences. He waited until the end, but it was there. I won the bet. My husband noted that McCain used many words that my husband called geriatric (something your grandparents would say) and we giggled each time another popped out of his mouth. We also noted that McCain would never look at Obama when either was speaking and we wondered why, and what effect that would have if he was working with world leaders (I know in some cultures, that is the norm, but I'm not sure if, for McCain, it was a debate tactic, deference, or arrogance).
In the end, we are definitely looking forward to Thursday and have already stocked up on popcorn. |
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09/27/2008 10:06:33 AM · #10 |
| Come on November! Just so the bickering will be over. I haven't wished my life away this hard, since I was almost old enough to drive. |
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09/27/2008 10:08:16 AM · #11 |
Hey  cpanaioti
If we're so F'd up as you say can you please tell me why MILLIONS take risks every day to make it to the US legal and Illegal? Can you tell me why thousands upon thousands come here for their higher education?
Can you tell me if we're so F'd up why we aid and feed more poor countries than any other in the world?
I'll gladly make a deal...we keep every US dollar spent on aid to the rest of the world here in the US. We use it to pay off our debt and keep a balanced budget. Your part of the deal is to have your country and all other countries take up the MONEY slack to aid the poor of the world.
...is it a deal?
Originally posted by cpanaioti:
Originally posted by Jaker:
The problem with our two party system is that most of us knew who we were voting for as soon as we had the nominations finalized. Had the nominations been different, it wouldn't have mattered. We are forced to vote for the lesser of two evils. Case in point is John Mccain. The Republicans have hated that guy practically his whole career. Many of the things he has done in the past have been widely and vocally thrashed by his own party, yet now he's the guy they want for president. That makes absolutely no sense! But it's a prime example of how the political system in this country is completely broken.
Give me 4 or 5 strong candidates and I'll be able to actually pick the one that I REALLY feel will do the best job. Give me 4 or 5 strong candidates and they may be able to say what they actually think instead of pandering to the ideals of their party. Give me 4 or 5 candidates, and my country won't be ruled by lobbyists and special interests.
Until then, I'm stuck voting for the person I think will F up my country the least, and that sucks. |
So you think either one will F up your country? Too late, it's already f^&(%d up. Which one actually has a plan to move the country forward rather than further down the path Bush has taken it? |
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09/27/2008 10:13:07 AM · #12 |
On these debates:
They are for saps. All the talk of a knock out punch is just insane. In presidential debates the loser is the one who says "the" instead of "thou" or misprounces a word. The media then shows that clip over and over and over and over for hours and hours.
The general public...even those who watched the debate are swayed to the same conclusion that the media networks want you to have.
They keep saying that there was no knock out punch last night....GOOD...that means we had a debate in which no one PICKED THEIR NOSE...or SIGHED when the other candidate was talking.
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09/27/2008 10:19:27 AM · #13 |
Originally posted by kenskid:
Hey cpanaioti
If we're so F'd up as you say can you please tell me why MILLIONS take risks every day to make it to the US legal and Illegal? Can you tell me why thousands upon thousands come here for their higher education?
Can you tell me if we're so F'd up why we aid and feed more poor countries than any other in the world?
I'll gladly make a deal...we keep every US dollar spent on aid to the rest of the world here in the US. We use it to pay off our debt and keep a balanced budget. Your part of the deal is to have your country and all other countries take up the MONEY slack to aid the poor of the world.
...is it a deal?
Originally posted by cpanaioti:
Originally posted by Jaker:
The problem with our two party system is that most of us knew who we were voting for as soon as we had the nominations finalized. Had the nominations been different, it wouldn't have mattered. We are forced to vote for the lesser of two evils. Case in point is John Mccain. The Republicans have hated that guy practically his whole career. Many of the things he has done in the past have been widely and vocally thrashed by his own party, yet now he's the guy they want for president. That makes absolutely no sense! But it's a prime example of how the political system in this country is completely broken.
Give me 4 or 5 strong candidates and I'll be able to actually pick the one that I REALLY feel will do the best job. Give me 4 or 5 strong candidates and they may be able to say what they actually think instead of pandering to the ideals of their party. Give me 4 or 5 candidates, and my country won't be ruled by lobbyists and special interests.
Until then, I'm stuck voting for the person I think will F up my country the least, and that sucks. |
So you think either one will F up your country? Too late, it's already f^&(%d up. Which one actually has a plan to move the country forward rather than further down the path Bush has taken it? |
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I'd bet that the US also kills more people than any other "civilized" nation.
As for coming here for higher education, that trend is declining. In part because of the onerous immigration process, but also because other countries are developing their own educational institutions that are on par with those here in the U.S.
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09/27/2008 10:25:49 AM · #14 |
Originally posted by kenskid:
Hey cpanaioti
If we're so F'd up as you say can you please tell me why MILLIONS take risks every day to make it to the US legal and Illegal? Can you tell me why thousands upon thousands come here for their higher education?
Can you tell me if we're so F'd up why we aid and feed more poor countries than any other in the world?
I'll gladly make a deal...we keep every US dollar spent on aid to the rest of the world here in the US. We use it to pay off our debt and keep a balanced budget. Your part of the deal is to have your country and all other countries take up the MONEY slack to aid the poor of the world.
...is it a deal?
Originally posted by cpanaioti:
Originally posted by Jaker:
The problem with our two party system is that most of us knew who we were voting for as soon as we had the nominations finalized. Had the nominations been different, it wouldn't have mattered. We are forced to vote for the lesser of two evils. Case in point is John Mccain. The Republicans have hated that guy practically his whole career. Many of the things he has done in the past have been widely and vocally thrashed by his own party, yet now he's the guy they want for president. That makes absolutely no sense! But it's a prime example of how the political system in this country is completely broken.
Give me 4 or 5 strong candidates and I'll be able to actually pick the one that I REALLY feel will do the best job. Give me 4 or 5 strong candidates and they may be able to say what they actually think instead of pandering to the ideals of their party. Give me 4 or 5 candidates, and my country won't be ruled by lobbyists and special interests.
Until then, I'm stuck voting for the person I think will F up my country the least, and that sucks. |
So you think either one will F up your country? Too late, it's already f^&(%d up. Which one actually has a plan to move the country forward rather than further down the path Bush has taken it? |
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I'll only answer the bold sentence. If you were making 39 cents an hour the US looks like paradise. Out of the millions that do immigrate to the US, most are poor and are looking for a better life. So yes, the US looks darn good compared to the crap they are living in their home countries. Or were you talking about students coming over from other countries to study?
As for your second statement. Even Ethiopia sends aid to other neighboring countries so your claim is mute.
The world doesn't need the US's aid to survive, there are other countries who could help. G7 means there are 6 other countries in that group that can take over the slack from your country's aid to other countries.
Message edited by author 2008-09-27 10:26:12. |
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09/27/2008 10:31:09 AM · #15 |
Spaz...as far as KILLING people...I would gladly support, in addition to withholding American aid..the US not getting involved in ANY altercation or agression in the next 50 years.
I'm sure you'll say that by the US opting out this will lead to world peace beyond belief...but I'll bet my last middle class depressed dollar that the world will NOT be a better place.
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Originally posted by kenskid:
Hey cpanaioti
If we're so F'd up as you say can you please tell me why MILLIONS take risks every day to make it to the US legal and Illegal? Can you tell me why thousands upon thousands come here for their higher education?
Can you tell me if we're so F'd up why we aid and feed more poor countries than any other in the world?
I'll gladly make a deal...we keep every US dollar spent on aid to the rest of the world here in the US. We use it to pay off our debt and keep a balanced budget. Your part of the deal is to have your country and all other countries take up the MONEY slack to aid the poor of the world.
...is it a deal?
Originally posted by cpanaioti:
Originally posted by Jaker:
The problem with our two party system is that most of us knew who we were voting for as soon as we had the nominations finalized. Had the nominations been different, it wouldn't have mattered. We are forced to vote for the lesser of two evils. Case in point is John Mccain. The Republicans have hated that guy practically his whole career. Many of the things he has done in the past have been widely and vocally thrashed by his own party, yet now he's the guy they want for president. That makes absolutely no sense! But it's a prime example of how the political system in this country is completely broken.
Give me 4 or 5 strong candidates and I'll be able to actually pick the one that I REALLY feel will do the best job. Give me 4 or 5 strong candidates and they may be able to say what they actually think instead of pandering to the ideals of their party. Give me 4 or 5 candidates, and my country won't be ruled by lobbyists and special interests.
Until then, I'm stuck voting for the person I think will F up my country the least, and that sucks. |
So you think either one will F up your country? Too late, it's already f^&(%d up. Which one actually has a plan to move the country forward rather than further down the path Bush has taken it? |
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I'd bet that the US also kills more people than any other "civilized" nation.
As for coming here for higher education, that trend is declining. In part because of the onerous immigration process, but also because other countries are developing their own educational institutions that are on par with those here in the U.S. |
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09/27/2008 10:34:25 AM · #16 |
Good....Jac...then let the US stop aiding the world and see how much slack the others take up...I'm ALL FOR IT....
As far as the .39 cents an hour...let them stay in their own "CRAP" country (your words).
Originally posted by Jac:
Originally posted by kenskid:
Hey cpanaioti
If we're so F'd up as you say can you please tell me why MILLIONS take risks every day to make it to the US legal and Illegal? Can you tell me why thousands upon thousands come here for their higher education?
Can you tell me if we're so F'd up why we aid and feed more poor countries than any other in the world?
I'll gladly make a deal...we keep every US dollar spent on aid to the rest of the world here in the US. We use it to pay off our debt and keep a balanced budget. Your part of the deal is to have your country and all other countries take up the MONEY slack to aid the poor of the world.
...is it a deal?
Originally posted by cpanaioti:
Originally posted by Jaker:
The problem with our two party system is that most of us knew who we were voting for as soon as we had the nominations finalized. Had the nominations been different, it wouldn't have mattered. We are forced to vote for the lesser of two evils. Case in point is John Mccain. The Republicans have hated that guy practically his whole career. Many of the things he has done in the past have been widely and vocally thrashed by his own party, yet now he's the guy they want for president. That makes absolutely no sense! But it's a prime example of how the political system in this country is completely broken.
Give me 4 or 5 strong candidates and I'll be able to actually pick the one that I REALLY feel will do the best job. Give me 4 or 5 strong candidates and they may be able to say what they actually think instead of pandering to the ideals of their party. Give me 4 or 5 candidates, and my country won't be ruled by lobbyists and special interests.
Until then, I'm stuck voting for the person I think will F up my country the least, and that sucks. |
So you think either one will F up your country? Too late, it's already f^&(%d up. Which one actually has a plan to move the country forward rather than further down the path Bush has taken it? |
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I'll only answer the bold sentence. If you were making 39 cents an hour the US looks like paradise. Out of the millions that do immigrate to the US, most are poor and are looking for a better life. So yes, the US looks darn good compared to the crap they are living in their home countries. Or were you talking about students coming over from other countries to study?
As for your second statement. Even Ethiopia sends aid to other neighboring countries so your claim is mute.
The world doesn't need the US's aid to survive, there are other countries who could help. G7 means there are 6 other countries in that group that can take over the slack from your country's aid to other countries. |
Message edited by author 2008-09-27 10:41:54.
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09/27/2008 10:49:10 AM · #17 |
| Anyone else find it pathetic that for the commentary afterward the Dems let Biden speak, but the republicans did not have Palin available for comment and used Guliani instead? |
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09/27/2008 10:49:13 AM · #18 |
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Message edited by author 2008-09-27 10:49:45. |
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09/27/2008 10:51:40 AM · #19 |
Your republican presidential candidate does not know who the prime minister of Spain is, and some of his supporters are discussing world politics here.
How about if you stop burning 25% of the world's daily oil supply? Before you decide you want to break away from the rest of the world!
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09/27/2008 10:55:32 AM · #20 |
For the record... your country is in debt, which means that your country actually has NON of its own money... it's ALL OWED to someone else, your country just hasn't paid it yet. That being the case your country has not actually given aid, it's only given money given to it from some other country's, to another country. It's like using my credit card to paid for my World Vision Child...
Originally posted by kenskid:
Good....Jac...then let the US stop aiding the world and see how much slack the others take up...I'm ALL FOR IT....
As far as the .39 cents an hour...let them stay in their own "CRAP" country (your words).
Originally posted by Jac:
Originally posted by kenskid:
Hey cpanaioti
If we're so F'd up as you say can you please tell me why MILLIONS take risks every day to make it to the US legal and Illegal? Can you tell me why thousands upon thousands come here for their higher education?
Can you tell me if we're so F'd up why we aid and feed more poor countries than any other in the world?
I'll gladly make a deal...we keep every US dollar spent on aid to the rest of the world here in the US. We use it to pay off our debt and keep a balanced budget. Your part of the deal is to have your country and all other countries take up the MONEY slack to aid the poor of the world.
...is it a deal?
Originally posted by cpanaioti:
Originally posted by Jaker:
The problem with our two party system is that most of us knew who we were voting for as soon as we had the nominations finalized. Had the nominations been different, it wouldn't have mattered. We are forced to vote for the lesser of two evils. Case in point is John Mccain. The Republicans have hated that guy practically his whole career. Many of the things he has done in the past have been widely and vocally thrashed by his own party, yet now he's the guy they want for president. That makes absolutely no sense! But it's a prime example of how the political system in this country is completely broken.
Give me 4 or 5 strong candidates and I'll be able to actually pick the one that I REALLY feel will do the best job. Give me 4 or 5 strong candidates and they may be able to say what they actually think instead of pandering to the ideals of their party. Give me 4 or 5 candidates, and my country won't be ruled by lobbyists and special interests.
Until then, I'm stuck voting for the person I think will F up my country the least, and that sucks. |
So you think either one will F up your country? Too late, it's already f^&(%d up. Which one actually has a plan to move the country forward rather than further down the path Bush has taken it? |
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I'll only answer the bold sentence. If you were making 39 cents an hour the US looks like paradise. Out of the millions that do immigrate to the US, most are poor and are looking for a better life. So yes, the US looks darn good compared to the crap they are living in their home countries. Or were you talking about students coming over from other countries to study?
As for your second statement. Even Ethiopia sends aid to other neighboring countries so your claim is mute.
The world doesn't need the US's aid to survive, there are other countries who could help. G7 means there are 6 other countries in that group that can take over the slack from your country's aid to other countries. |
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09/27/2008 10:57:29 AM · #21 |
Originally posted by ambaker:
Come on November! Just so the bickering will be over. I haven't wished my life away this hard, since I was almost old enough to drive. |
Nah, the bickering won't be over. They'll (we'll) just be bickering over different things.
I listened to about 45 minutes of the debate.
In that chunk of time, I would have to say neither "won."
AND, neither changed my mind -- which is still decidedly undecided at this point.
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09/27/2008 11:01:17 AM · #22 |
So then EVEN better...my country BORROWS money and then aids the world ! What a bunch of Saps we are !
How many of you would over borrow to give food and medicine to a downtrodden person living on the street? I don't mean spare change...I mean over extend your CREDIT to help someone out.
Personally...I want the US to pay it's debt and get out of the hole !
EDIT: If I was certian Obama OR McCain could get us out of debt and into the "black ink" in the next 8 years, I would vote for them in a millisecond !
Originally posted by Eyesup:
For the record... your country is in debt, which means that your country actually has NON of its own money... it's ALL OWED to someone else, your country just hasn't paid it yet. That being the case your country has not actually given aid, it's only given money given to it from some other country's, to another country. It's like using my credit card to paid for my World Vision Child...
Originally posted by kenskid:
Good....Jac...then let the US stop aiding the world and see how much slack the others take up...I'm ALL FOR IT....
As far as the .39 cents an hour...let them stay in their own "CRAP" country (your words).
Originally posted by Jac:
Originally posted by kenskid:
Hey cpanaioti
If we're so F'd up as you say can you please tell me why MILLIONS take risks every day to make it to the US legal and Illegal? Can you tell me why thousands upon thousands come here for their higher education?
Can you tell me if we're so F'd up why we aid and feed more poor countries than any other in the world?
I'll gladly make a deal...we keep every US dollar spent on aid to the rest of the world here in the US. We use it to pay off our debt and keep a balanced budget. Your part of the deal is to have your country and all other countries take up the MONEY slack to aid the poor of the world.
...is it a deal?
Originally posted by cpanaioti:
Originally posted by Jaker:
The problem with our two party system is that most of us knew who we were voting for as soon as we had the nominations finalized. Had the nominations been different, it wouldn't have mattered. We are forced to vote for the lesser of two evils. Case in point is John Mccain. The Republicans have hated that guy practically his whole career. Many of the things he has done in the past have been widely and vocally thrashed by his own party, yet now he's the guy they want for president. That makes absolutely no sense! But it's a prime example of how the political system in this country is completely broken.
Give me 4 or 5 strong candidates and I'll be able to actually pick the one that I REALLY feel will do the best job. Give me 4 or 5 strong candidates and they may be able to say what they actually think instead of pandering to the ideals of their party. Give me 4 or 5 candidates, and my country won't be ruled by lobbyists and special interests.
Until then, I'm stuck voting for the person I think will F up my country the least, and that sucks. |
So you think either one will F up your country? Too late, it's already f^&(%d up. Which one actually has a plan to move the country forward rather than further down the path Bush has taken it? |
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I'll only answer the bold sentence. If you were making 39 cents an hour the US looks like paradise. Out of the millions that do immigrate to the US, most are poor and are looking for a better life. So yes, the US looks darn good compared to the crap they are living in their home countries. Or were you talking about students coming over from other countries to study?
As for your second statement. Even Ethiopia sends aid to other neighboring countries so your claim is mute.
The world doesn't need the US's aid to survive, there are other countries who could help. G7 means there are 6 other countries in that group that can take over the slack from your country's aid to other countries. |
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09/27/2008 11:08:08 AM · #23 |
Do you read what your write? the concept of OVER EXTENDING your credit ( in essence becoming poor yourself) to help the poor is just pain silly.. that's why no one does it. but hey, just think if the US paid off all it debt... now that WOULD be an economic stimulus package!
ETA: how do you propose one would raise trillions of dollars in that space of time?
Originally posted by kenskid:
So then EVEN better...my country BORROWS money and then aids the world ! What a bunch of Saps we are !
How many of you would over borrow to give food and medicine to a downtrodden person living on the street? I don't mean spare change...I mean over extend your CREDIT to help someone out.
Personally...I want the US to pay it's debt and get out of the hole !
Originally posted by Eyesup:
For the record... your country is in debt, which means that your country actually has NON of its own money... it's ALL OWED to someone else, your country just hasn't paid it yet. That being the case your country has not actually given aid, it's only given money given to it from some other country's, to another country. It's like using my credit card to paid for my World Vision Child...
Originally posted by kenskid:
Good....Jac...then let the US stop aiding the world and see how much slack the others take up...I'm ALL FOR IT....
As far as the .39 cents an hour...let them stay in their own "CRAP" country (your words).
Originally posted by Jac:
Originally posted by kenskid:
Hey cpanaioti
If we're so F'd up as you say can you please tell me why MILLIONS take risks every day to make it to the US legal and Illegal? Can you tell me why thousands upon thousands come here for their higher education?
Can you tell me if we're so F'd up why we aid and feed more poor countries than any other in the world?
I'll gladly make a deal...we keep every US dollar spent on aid to the rest of the world here in the US. We use it to pay off our debt and keep a balanced budget. Your part of the deal is to have your country and all other countries take up the MONEY slack to aid the poor of the world.
...is it a deal?
Originally posted by cpanaioti:
Originally posted by Jaker:
The problem with our two party system is that most of us knew who we were voting for as soon as we had the nominations finalized. Had the nominations been different, it wouldn't have mattered. We are forced to vote for the lesser of two evils. Case in point is John Mccain. The Republicans have hated that guy practically his whole career. Many of the things he has done in the past have been widely and vocally thrashed by his own party, yet now he's the guy they want for president. That makes absolutely no sense! But it's a prime example of how the political system in this country is completely broken.
Give me 4 or 5 strong candidates and I'll be able to actually pick the one that I REALLY feel will do the best job. Give me 4 or 5 strong candidates and they may be able to say what they actually think instead of pandering to the ideals of their party. Give me 4 or 5 candidates, and my country won't be ruled by lobbyists and special interests.
Until then, I'm stuck voting for the person I think will F up my country the least, and that sucks. |
So you think either one will F up your country? Too late, it's already f^&(%d up. Which one actually has a plan to move the country forward rather than further down the path Bush has taken it? |
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I'll only answer the bold sentence. If you were making 39 cents an hour the US looks like paradise. Out of the millions that do immigrate to the US, most are poor and are looking for a better life. So yes, the US looks darn good compared to the crap they are living in their home countries. Or were you talking about students coming over from other countries to study?
As for your second statement. Even Ethiopia sends aid to other neighboring countries so your claim is mute.
The world doesn't need the US's aid to survive, there are other countries who could help. G7 means there are 6 other countries in that group that can take over the slack from your country's aid to other countries. |
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09/27/2008 11:17:57 AM · #24 |
Originally posted by kenskid:
EDIT: If I was certian Obama OR McCain could get us out of debt and into the "black ink" in the next 8 years, I would vote for them in a millisecond !
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Nothing is certain in this world. But what is certain is that when the Republicans took hold of our government almost eight years ago we had a budget surplus that would have, given time, paid off our debt. Now we have one of the biggest deficits in history and it does not even include the war costs.
Now I fully expect that the people who support the current administration and those who supported the Republican congress while it held 100% power for six years will likely still try to blame the other side. But facts are facts.
Oh, and for the record I thought the debate was pretty much a draw in terms of any significant "sound bites". But if you ask me who looked and acted the most Presidential I would have to say it went to Obama.
edit: edited out inappropriate editorial comment.
Message edited by author 2008-09-27 15:01:00. |
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09/27/2008 11:28:27 AM · #25 |
Wow. This devolved quite quickly.
Personally, I think they should ban candidates from TV and commercials EXCEPT for the debates. We learned more about both candidates from their own mouths in 90 minutes than in 12 months. Both presented themselves well. We are left with the delightful position of being able to chew over what each thinks and which we agree with more. |
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