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09/24/2008 02:37:37 PM · #151
Originally posted by Spazmo99:

I wish the American political system were more like those in Europe where there might be 4 or more viable parties and the leader has to get along with enough of the other parties to form a majority instead of being able to shove whatever party line crap they want down everyone's throat.

A parliamentary democracy with a coalition government. That's what Canada needs too. It's the only thing that will absolutely guarantee representative government. We desperately need that. Without it, you have the spectacle of, for example, a majority government in Canada that represents only about 35% of the population's views, with the remaining 65% being left out in the cold on the other end of the political spectrum.

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09/24/2008 02:54:16 PM · #152
Did you see where conservative columnist George Will said McCain on the economy is acting like a "flustered rookie?"

As for readiness for the office? "It is arguable that, because of his inexperience, Obama is not ready for the presidency. It is arguable that McCain, because of his boiling moralism and bottomless reservoir of certitudes, is not suited to the presidency. Unreadiness can be corrected, although perhaps at great cost, by experience. Can a dismaying temperament be fixed?"

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09/24/2008 03:00:41 PM · #153
Originally posted by citymars:

Did you see where conservative columnist George Will said McCain on the economy is acting like a "flustered rookie?"

As for readiness for the office? "It is arguable that, because of his inexperience, Obama is not ready for the presidency. It is arguable that McCain, because of his boiling moralism and bottomless reservoir of certitudes, is not suited to the presidency. Unreadiness can be corrected, although perhaps at great cost, by experience. Can a dismaying temperament be fixed?"

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I do find it humorous that the two "experienced" individuals in this race, McCain & Biden, have said one thing about the bailout and then the following day take the opposite position to their original stance. Better to remain neutral on an issue until you have all the facts than to go rushing in foolishly.
09/24/2008 03:17:19 PM · #154
Originally posted by posthumous:

Originally posted by karmat:

Originally posted by citymars:

Originally posted by RonB:

Yes, I do. In terms of tax-deductable giving ...

I sincerely commend you on your giving, Ron. However, that was Spazmo's question, not mine. The "who cares more" game -- especially among members of DPC -- is another distraction as far as I'm concerned.

Originally posted by RonB:

Obama's Social Security Whopper as debunked by FactCheck.Org

And McCain ad misrepresents Obama's tax plan. Again. As verified by FactCheck.Org.

...So supporters of each party seem only to register the wrongs of the other party. Do you believe Obama and the Obama campaign is are more dishonest that McCain and the McCain campaign?


No, but what I've found from a lot of Obama supporters is that it is okay for Obama to lie every now and then, because the McCain camp lies more.


The political system is structured to only allow douchebags to win. Negative ads work. McCain's only chance was to use negative ads, and he needs outright lies to go negative enough, because the truth leaves him as a big underdog. Obama's only chance to recover from those negative ads are to make negative ads of his own, not outright lies but still misleading.

People with integrity and principles, like Ralph Nader and Dennis Kucinich, will never win a national election.


His ads may not have outright lies, but that doesn't mean he hasn't told any. :(

(factcheck.org)
09/24/2008 03:31:44 PM · #155
Originally posted by karmat:

His ads may not have outright lies, but that doesn't mean he hasn't told any. :(
(factcheck.org)

I think you're talking about Obama. Here is Politifact's list of out-and-out, pants-on-fire lies told around this campaign.
09/25/2008 09:12:02 AM · #156
"...the main thrust of the McCain campaign has been to cover up his history of economic malpractice."

Interesting (and entertaining) Frank Rich article on the return of election "truthiness"

09/26/2008 02:16:52 PM · #157
Link

The above link is to an ABC game where you can select quotes (without knowing who said them) and at the end they will provide you with your candidate.

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