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09/11/2008 10:57:37 AM · #1 |
Can someone please tell me how this is done? Try as I might, I can't seem to make it work.
Ok. So I'm not 100% serious, but quite often I see a statement such as the following made in forum postings here at DPC.
Originally posted by Shaman:
... Finally, voters may have seen the thumbnail as being somewhat flat, and as much as I hate to say it, I'm convinced there are a number of voters that vote only by looking at the thubmnail ... |
(quote taken from Some feedback needed after overexposed challenge).
Last time I looked, there weren't any voting numbers available underneath the thumbnails. Yes, I've heard of "cherry picking" - only opening images that are of interest to the person viewing the thumbnails. However, in the case quoted above the commenter appears to think that you can vote the thumbnails (hence the low vote on the "thumbnail as being somewhat flat").
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09/11/2008 10:58:46 AM · #2 |
I think that's shorthand for "some voters cruise the thumbs and only click & vote on thumbs that appeal to them".
R.
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09/11/2008 11:02:34 AM · #3 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
I think that's shorthand for "some voters cruise the thumbs and only click & vote on thumbs that appeal to them".
R. |
Normally I would agree with you, but in the quote the commenter said "...voters may have seen the thumbnail as being somewhat flat...". How the thumbnail looked in this case wouldn't have any bearing on the vote. Perhaps it was a misstatement...and he really meant to say the image looked flat (after it was opened)...but it doesn't sound like it. |
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09/11/2008 11:07:20 AM · #4 |
I think that I see a challenge idea here, and the challenge is to create a thumbnail size (120 X 120 Pixel size) image that will get the best score in voting. It would be interesting to see what would come out on top.
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09/11/2008 11:20:03 AM · #5 |
Personally I wished the thumbnails would not show up until you have voted on the picture.
I would like to see it it done like this (but this is just my opinion).
1. When click the link to vote on a challenge it goes straight to the first random full size photo.
2. You can vote and/or comment on that photograph.
3. If you vote it now will show up in the thumbnails listing your votes 10, 9, 8, etc. like it does now. But will not show you the photos you have not voted on.
Simply stated, you will not see a thumbnail of a photo in the voting stage unless you have voted on the full size version. You will be able to see the thumbnails of the photographs you have voted on. |
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09/11/2008 11:54:05 AM · #6 |
Originally posted by SDW:
... Simply stated, you will not see a thumbnail of a photo in the voting stage unless you have voted on the full size version. You will be able to see the thumbnails of the photographs you have voted on. |
Valid points Scott - Regarding the one I've quoted above; sometimes people don't vote on a challenge (for one reason or another). The ability to comment on photos without having to have them load randomly is still something that would need to be kept. Right now you can see all of the thumbnails and you can comment on any of them by selecting the comment icon next to it. |
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09/11/2008 11:54:13 AM · #7 |
Originally posted by SDW:
Personally I wished the thumbnails would not show up until you have voted on the picture.
I would like to see it it done like this (but this is just my opinion).
1. When click the link to vote on a challenge it goes straight to the first random full size photo.
2. You can vote and/or comment on that photograph.
3. If you vote it now will show up in the thumbnails listing your votes 10, 9, 8, etc. like it does now. But will not show you the photos you have not voted on.
Simply stated, you will not see a thumbnail of a photo in the voting stage unless you have voted on the full size version. You will be able to see the thumbnails of the photographs you have voted on. |
that's an interesting take on things ... would stop the "cherry picking" that happens for sure ... now the images that are thumbnail friendly wouldn't have any advantage ... however it would probably be a negative thing for the photogs who sit and wait for rollover, as it might take time for someone to actually vote on their image. It also would stop the people who wait for rollover from checking out the competition, to see who the early faves might be ... I think it would be an interesting poll question ... see how the majority feel about it ... good idea Scott! |
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09/11/2008 12:00:19 PM · #8 |
Originally posted by SDW:
Personally I wished the thumbnails would not show up until you have voted on the picture.
I would like to see it it done like this (but this is just my opinion).
1. When click the link to vote on a challenge it goes straight to the first random full size photo.
2. You can vote and/or comment on that photograph.
3. If you vote it now will show up in the thumbnails listing your votes 10, 9, 8, etc. like it does now. But will not show you the photos you have not voted on.
Simply stated, you will not see a thumbnail of a photo in the voting stage unless you have voted on the full size version. You will be able to see the thumbnails of the photographs you have voted on. |
I think that sounds like a wonderful idea. |
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09/11/2008 12:50:47 PM · #9 |
Originally posted by pamelasue:
... would stop the "cherry picking" that happens for sure ... |
Another "statement" that comes up once in a while..."cherry picking". Related to "thumbnail voting" I believe.
So, the question is; does "cherry picking" actually happen? If yes, is it on a large scale? How can you prove/disprove it?
Or is all of this "thumbnail voting", "cherry picking" a myth - just like the theory of "trolls"?
Food for thought. :-D |
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09/11/2008 01:06:20 PM · #10 |
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Originally posted by pamelasue:
... would stop the "cherry picking" that happens for sure ... |
Another "statement" that comes up once in a while..."cherry picking". Related to "thumbnail voting" I believe.
So, the question is; does "cherry picking" actually happen? If yes, is it on a large scale? How can you prove/disprove it?
Or is all of this "thumbnail voting", "cherry picking" a myth - just like the theory of "trolls"?
Food for thought. :-D |
I have actually engaged in "modified cherry picking" every now and then. On all challenges that I actually vote on, I start with the random display and click my way through at least 20%. But on some very large challenges, if it is nearing the end of the voting period and I don't have time to vote all the remaining images, I may cruise the thumbs and click on those that "look interesting", so I end up voting on those.
I don't do this very often though.
R.
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09/11/2008 01:13:50 PM · #11 |
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Originally posted by pamelasue:
... would stop the "cherry picking" that happens for sure ... |
Another "statement" that comes up once in a while..."cherry picking". Related to "thumbnail voting" I believe.
So, the question is; does "cherry picking" actually happen? If yes, is it on a large scale? How can you prove/disprove it?
Or is all of this "thumbnail voting", "cherry picking" a myth - just like the theory of "trolls"?
Food for thought. :-D |
I used to be fastidious about voting on every picture. I still try to do that on Free Studies. But sometimes lately I will cherry pick a challenge because I want to find my ribbons. It's not ideal, but some of these challenges are huge and I just don't have the time. |
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09/11/2008 01:20:13 PM · #12 |
| If I stay awake for rollover and I'm entered in a challenge I will cherry pick from a "view" perspective to see what potential front page images are out there ... I don't vote that way though ... if I decide to vote in a challenge I try my best to vote on 100% of the images ... after voting I'll sometimes go back and bump a few images based upon the 'whole' of the challenge ... sometimes the ones I vote on first end up with slightly lower scores and once I've gone through them all I'll realize that those first ones deserved a higher score ... I don't go back and knock a score down though, IMHO that's just mean and cruel to do ... |
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09/11/2008 01:22:18 PM · #13 |
I don't think (though I have no data to support my opinion) that cherry picking really has that great of an impact. I mean, you would have to cherry pick at least 20% for the vote to even count, right?
But to expand on an earlier idea, I wonder how the results would vary if you took say 50 voter and had them vote only with the thubnails, and took another 560 voters and had them vote on the same pictures in full size? I have a feally the results woulndn't be very different.
Who knows though, I could be surprised!
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09/11/2008 01:24:18 PM · #14 |
Some users,  Karmat for example, only have dial-up network links, so for them it would be time consuming to load every photo at contest size to vote. I can see why the dial-up people would have a problem with the "full size until you vote on it" system.
Scott has a good idea, and it would work fine for users with DSL or other high speed net service.
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09/11/2008 01:25:33 PM · #15 |
Originally posted by Jaker:
I don't think (though I have no data to support my opinion) that cherry picking really has that great of an impact. I mean, you would have to cherry pick at least 20% for the vote to even count, right?
But to expand on an earlier idea, I wonder how the results would vary if you took say 50 voter and had them vote only with the thubnails, and took another 560 voters and had them vote on the same pictures in full size? I have a feally the results woulndn't be very different.
Who knows though, I could be surprised! |
To some degree, this depends on the screen resolution of the monitor being used. On my big, hi/res monitor the thumbs are REALLY small. On my neighbor's laptop, set to a much lower resolution, they are MUCH larger. The downside of that is I can't even see all of a single vertical image on that laptop's screen, but that's neither here nor there.
R.
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09/11/2008 01:28:49 PM · #16 |
Sounds like a common theme...not enough time to finish voting on all entries. If you couldn't finish by "cherry picking" would you bother going thru a random cycling of images to finish?
If the answer if no, then the challenge would lose some votes of merit. I say that because both of these members (IMO) are members with good credentials and ones I would want to see continue voting on challenges, regardless if they sometimes can't get to 100%.
Bold emphasis in the following quotes added by me.
Originally posted by posthumous:
I used to be fastidious about voting on every picture. I still try to do that on Free Studies. But sometimes lately I will cherry pick a challenge because I want to find my ribbons. It's not ideal, but some of these challenges are huge and I just don't have the time. |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
I have actually engaged in "modified cherry picking" every now and then. On all challenges that I actually vote on, I start with the random display and click my way through at least 20%. But on some very large challenges, if it is nearing the end of the voting period and I don't have time to vote all the remaining images, I may cruise the thumbs and click on those that "look interesting", so I end up voting on those.
I don't do this very often though.
R. |
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09/11/2008 01:33:32 PM · #17 |
Originally posted by MelonMusketeer:
Some users, Karmat for example, only have dial-up network links, so for them it would be time consuming to load every photo at contest size to vote. I can see why the dial-up people would have a problem with the "full size until you vote on it" system.
Scott has a good idea, and it would work fine for users with DSL or other high speed net service. |
Actually, I'm on satellite now. :) (This means if it is really, really cloudy, I don't have Internet at all! hahah)
But, before we switched (recently), Langdon implemented the thing that the next picture would load while voting on one. I don't notice it now, but on dial-up, it made a huge difference for me.
I don't know how other dial up users do it, but when I was voting, I didn't let the thumb page load all the way -- that took forever, so the first time I saw the shot was full-size, anyway. |
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09/11/2008 01:36:54 PM · #18 |
Originally posted by karmat:
Originally posted by MelonMusketeer:
Some users, Karmat for example, only have dial-up network links, so for them it would be time consuming to load every photo at contest size to vote. I can see why the dial-up people would have a problem with the "full size until you vote on it" system.
Scott has a good idea, and it would work fine for users with DSL or other high speed net service. |
Actually, I'm on satellite now. :) (This means if it is really, really cloudy, I don't have Internet at all! hahah)
But, before we switched (recently), Langdon implemented the thing that the next picture would load while voting on one. I don't notice it now, but on dial-up, it made a huge difference for me.
I don't know how other dial up users do it, but when I was voting, I didn't let the thumb page load all the way -- that took forever, so the first time I saw the shot was full-size, anyway. |
I sure hope your sat service is better then my dads. Some days I really believe dial up would be faster. If I were Hughes users I'd def consider a class action lawsuit based on what they are providing compared to what they say they provide.
Matt
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09/11/2008 01:40:51 PM · #19 |
Thanks for the input about dial up Karmat. I can vaguely remember being on d i a l - u p a long time ago. It was like working with a computer with a very thick southern drawl.
I try to vote 100% on a challenge when I know that I will have time to vote at all. If I know that I can only manage 30% or so, I most likely will skip voting on that one and make comments instead.
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09/11/2008 01:45:01 PM · #20 |
Originally posted by MelonMusketeer:
... If I know that I can only manage 30% or so, I most likely will skip voting on that one and make comments instead. |
In the scenario you describe, what method do you use for making comments? Do you go ahead and let the entries come to you randomly at full size and comment, or do you use the comment icons next to the thumbnails in the thumbnail view? |
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09/11/2008 01:54:39 PM · #21 |
I view random shots full size for commenting. I do look through the thumbs and open the ones that make me curious, usually the darker ones that are difficult to make out, or if one looks like it may not meet the challenge and I want to see if I can connect it to the challenge when I see the details in larger size. Some thumbs connect with my experiences and I will open those to see the rest of the story in the shot, and then comment. I just enjoy commenting because it connects with people.
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09/11/2008 01:54:50 PM · #22 |
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Sounds like a common theme...not enough time to finish voting on all entries. If you couldn't finish by "cherry picking" would you bother going thru a random cycling of images to finish? |
I'm not sure I'm understanding here, but you may have missed the point: it's not a question of "finishing", I've already determined I can't do that in the particular instance, but I have already done at least 20% (usually way more) randomly. So occasionally, I cherry-pick from the remaining thumbs images that look appealing to me (this would usually happen in a free study) and end up voting on those as well.
But like I say, I don't do that much at all.
R.
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09/11/2008 02:42:37 PM · #23 |
I have cherry picked a few times. I'm not sure voting on a select few because the thumbnail makes me want to see the actual entry skews the vote any more than just voting on a random 20%. My vote is based on the actual entry. If I don't choose to view "entry X", who is to say that I would have viewed it if I started at the first entry but stopped voting halfway through?
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09/11/2008 03:47:44 PM · #24 |
You can vote by cellphone which IMO is just as bad a thumbnails. I just tried it on my Blackberry (after viewing on regular monitor) and it recorded the vote. I don't know if there's any way to disable this but I think it should be.
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09/11/2008 04:16:32 PM · #25 |
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Another "statement" that comes up once in a while..."cherry picking". Related to "thumbnail voting" I believe.
So, the question is; does "cherry picking" actually happen? If yes, is it on a large scale? How can you prove/disprove it?
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I guess it doesn't matter. I used to harp on it til I decided the voter is always right, no matter what they do. So, believe it or not, on the big challenges I actually cherry pick on the thumbs myself now. I don't vote on a full challenge anymore unless it's less than 200 entries. If it's ok for everyone else it's certainly ok for me to do it. It is disappointing some times as I'll see a winning entry and wow, I didn't see it in the voting. It's just hard to see the award winning images when you only look at the thumbs. |
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