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10/15/2008 06:00:09 PM · #176 |
Originally posted by Louis:
Originally posted by cpanaioti:
You'll probably say the same thing about Harper but I haven't seen him push through and take a stand like Dion has. To me that is not a good trait for a Prime Minister. |
You're kidding, right?
Making virtually every vote in the House a confidence vote, daring the opposition to bring the government down, knowing full well it wouldn't -- especially given the fact that there was a law on the books brought in by Harper himself ensuring an election date? Not allowing debate on any bill in the House with these kinds of tactics? This is not "pushing through and taking a stand"?
Come now. |
What debat was necessary...??? The liberals Abstained from voting on how many issues? why debate what you're not going to vote on? |
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10/15/2008 07:58:00 PM · #177 |
Originally posted by Eyesup:
Originally posted by Louis:
Originally posted by cpanaioti:
You'll probably say the same thing about Harper but I haven't seen him push through and take a stand like Dion has. To me that is not a good trait for a Prime Minister. |
You're kidding, right?
Making virtually every vote in the House a confidence vote, daring the opposition to bring the government down, knowing full well it wouldn't -- especially given the fact that there was a law on the books brought in by Harper himself ensuring an election date? Not allowing debate on any bill in the House with these kinds of tactics? This is not "pushing through and taking a stand"?
Come now. |
What debat was necessary...??? The liberals Abstained from voting on how many issues? why debate what you're not going to vote on? |
As I said, they were confidence motions. What choice did the Liberals have? Bring the government down, yes, but you didn't want an election. You got one anyway. Thank you Mr. Harper for that $300M bill. |
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10/15/2008 08:03:46 PM · #178 |
Originally posted by Louis:
Originally posted by Eyesup:
Originally posted by Louis:
Originally posted by cpanaioti:
You'll probably say the same thing about Harper but I haven't seen him push through and take a stand like Dion has. To me that is not a good trait for a Prime Minister. |
You're kidding, right?
Making virtually every vote in the House a confidence vote, daring the opposition to bring the government down, knowing full well it wouldn't -- especially given the fact that there was a law on the books brought in by Harper himself ensuring an election date? Not allowing debate on any bill in the House with these kinds of tactics? This is not "pushing through and taking a stand"?
Come now. |
What debat was necessary...??? The liberals Abstained from voting on how many issues? why debate what you're not going to vote on? |
As I said, they were confidence motions. What choice did the Liberals have? Bring the government down, yes, but you didn't want an election. You got one anyway. Thank you Mr. Harper for that $300M bill. |
I do agree on that one. Harper should have stayed the course. Now let's see who's willing to work with whom.
So, when does parliament start sitting again anyway? Or is this the Christmas break?<\sarcasm> I sure hope they get on with it.
Message edited by author 2008-10-15 20:05:56.
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10/15/2008 08:11:10 PM · #179 |
| Haha. Yeah, Christmas break until April. I was surprised they convened this first minister's meeting so quickly. I believe Parliament is reconvening on November 12. |
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10/16/2008 09:45:28 AM · #180 |
I found this interesting...
Originally posted by CBC Article:
...but what was striking was that none of the parties felt compelled to revise their platforms to reflect the new economic realities. All of them continued to make promises based on economic projections that were clearly no longer viable.
Of all the leaders, Harper was most determined to stay the course.
"What leaders have to do is have a plan and not panic," he said. Revising the plan based on new data was considered to be a sign of panic, not prudence.
Harper, in the dying days of the campaign, proclaimed that he would not run a deficit, raise taxes or cut spending. That may be a difficult circle to square, and those words may come back to haunt him. |
From this cbc article
just more food for thought
Message edited by author 2008-10-16 09:46:06. |
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10/16/2008 11:40:41 AM · #181 |
Originally posted by Louis:
Did anyone watch Rex Murphy during CBC's coverage last night? Or some of the insider commentators? They had it right on. Dion is a great man, an intellectual, a thoughtful person, and he would make a stellar Prime Minister, a true Platonic philosopher-king in the democratic sense. His issue is charisma. My opinion is that it's pitiable that charisma trumps ability every time, and that the opposition always knows this and takes advantage of it, appealing to the lowest of us (the Conservatives' mocking of Dion's intellectualism, for example, as campaign propaganda). It's interesting that even though Harper lacks a Trudeau-style or Rae-style charisma, his brand of stern bullying is still preferable to most Canadians.
This election forced Canadians to decide between what they saw in the leaders, and what the leaders actually are. I feel Canadians ultimately rejected the way to a good choice -- research, reading, talking to candidates, working -- and proved for all time that governments are chosen not on the issues, but on the personalities of the players. |
And that is why I will always throw the cards to the garbage bin Louis. It's not since the last election that this behaviour is what decides our governments. Trudeau made it what it is today and he just copied what our American friends were already doing. It's all a show and I've been bored with it forever. Dion makes much more sense to Canada than Harper but Harper used the dirty tactic of using our money to negatively advertise Dion's character or intelligence on prime time TV, and we weren't even in an election campaign. I've never seen that done by other governments. To me, that's equal to hitting below the belt in a boxing match. Harper knew the Liberals were short on cash and went out and dirtied Dion's name even before the west knew what Dion was about. It's a dirty tactic and that's why this version of the Tories has got to be the worst I have ever seen, and guess what, they're in power. Their cheap tactics worked and I hope the other parties don't do the same the day they are elected into power.
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10/16/2008 11:44:57 AM · #182 |
Originally posted by Jac:
Originally posted by Louis:
Did anyone watch Rex Murphy during CBC's coverage last night? Or some of the insider commentators? They had it right on. Dion is a great man, an intellectual, a thoughtful person, and he would make a stellar Prime Minister, a true Platonic philosopher-king in the democratic sense. His issue is charisma. My opinion is that it's pitiable that charisma trumps ability every time, and that the opposition always knows this and takes advantage of it, appealing to the lowest of us (the Conservatives' mocking of Dion's intellectualism, for example, as campaign propaganda). It's interesting that even though Harper lacks a Trudeau-style or Rae-style charisma, his brand of stern bullying is still preferable to most Canadians.
This election forced Canadians to decide between what they saw in the leaders, and what the leaders actually are. I feel Canadians ultimately rejected the way to a good choice -- research, reading, talking to candidates, working -- and proved for all time that governments are chosen not on the issues, but on the personalities of the players. |
And that is why I will always throw the cards to the garbage bin Louis. It's not since the last election that this behaviour is what decides our governments. Trudeau made it what it is today and he just copied what our American friends were already doing. It's all a show and I've been bored with it forever. Dion makes much more sense to Canada than Harper but Harper used the dirty tactic of using our money to negatively advertise Dion's character or intelligence on prime time TV, and we weren't even in an election campaign. I've never seen that done by other governments. To me, that's equal to hitting below the belt in a boxing match. Harper knew the Liberals were short on cash and went out and dirtied Dion's name even before the west knew what Dion was about. It's a dirty tactic and that's why this version of the Tories has got to be the worst I have ever seen, and guess what, they're in power. Their cheap tactics worked and I hope the other parties don't do the same the day they are elected into power. |
Of course they will that's how politics works... the Liberals Im sure would do it just as quickly given the chance... as would the NPD, of the Bloc... or whoever...
need I say the "anyone but Conservative campain?" |
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10/16/2008 11:45:22 AM · #183 |
The Liberals have done it before. That doesn't make it right just that it has been done before.
The tactic is to define the opposition before they can define themselves.
With a strong leader, at least someone that can defend themselves, they can redefine themselves. It didn't happen with Dion.
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10/16/2008 12:36:47 PM · #184 |
| I don't remember the Liberals ever having done this. I remember the Conservatives regularly doing this, even the provincial Cons in Ontario the election before last (Ernie Eves' comment about McGuinty's "pointy little head" -- how that cost him!). |
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10/16/2008 12:51:14 PM · #185 |
A quick look here Negative Ads would show that the Conservatives are not the only party familiar with the art of tarring others.
Ray |
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10/16/2008 12:52:54 PM · #186 |
Originally posted by RayEthier:
A quick look here Negative Ads would show that the Conservatives are not the only party familiar with the art of tarring others.
Ray |
Article at CTV.ca
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