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08/21/2008 05:42:32 PM · #201 |
Originally posted by Phil:
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
OK, then, what makes someone part of your family? |
My brother would be family. How's that? |
You're avoiding the question. What makes him your brother then? Simple genetics? Is that it? Does that mean my adopted brother is not part of my family simply because we don't share the same genes? |
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08/21/2008 05:45:43 PM · #202 |
Originally posted by coronamv:
Are you guys not the bunch that said we should take care of our fellow mankind... IE Welfare? Don't get me wrong I don't believe that for a moment and have been bashed for it. But now since the tables are against you suddenly things are different? Sorry to say but is that not being hipocritical? |
No, what would be hypocritical is thinking that out of tens of thousands of poor people, one deserves more aid because of his genetic relation to a potential world leader. |
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08/21/2008 06:12:00 PM · #203 |
Originally posted by trevytrev:
Originally posted by Phil:
Originally posted by trevytrev:
He wouldn't be my brother if i had only met him twice. Much like an absentee father that I had only met twice in my life wouldn't be my father. You don't know me or my political preference so to imply I'm letting politics play a role in why I find this story to be utterly ridiculous just shows how bias and extreme you are on your politics. Anyone who dare not agree with you must be a radical from the other political party who will do anything to protect their candidate. What's scary is that you think this is an issue, that's scary. |
I never said "YOU". What's scary are your reading comprehension skills. |
If you were not referring to me then who? You quoted me in your response and directly responded to my post, why wouldn't I assume that you were referring to me with your statement.
Originally posted by Phil:
If a man isn't concerned about his brother why would I assume that he would be concerned with you and me? And if you'll practice those comprehension skills I mentioned you'll find that I am hardly biased and extreme with my politics. I take everything into account other than "Bush sucks" before I cast my vote. |
Again, he is a brother only by genetics. I think your comprehension skills are broken and you giving me advice on using comprehension is laughable. Another laughable thing is your statement that you are unbiased in your politics, please.... I almost spit up on my keyboard. |
What's laughable is the following quote: "brother only by genetics".
Message edited by author 2008-08-21 18:12:59. |
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08/21/2008 06:12:43 PM · #204 |
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Originally posted by Phil:
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
OK, then, what makes someone part of your family? |
My brother would be family. How's that? |
You're avoiding the question. What makes him your brother then? Simple genetics? Is that it? Does that mean my adopted brother is not part of my family simply because we don't share the same genes? |
Funny how you mention my avoidance during your deflection.
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08/21/2008 06:16:21 PM · #205 |
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
No, what would be hypocritical is thinking that out of tens of thousands of poor people, one deserves more aid because of his genetic relation to a potential world leader. |
He doesn't deserve more aid because his brother is a potential world leader. He deserves aid from his brother who can afford to give it to him no matter what the profession is.
If one of your kids were in a bind and the other had the means to help them wouldn't you hope they would do it no matter if they've never met. |
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08/21/2008 06:36:46 PM · #206 |
Originally posted by Phil:
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Originally posted by Phil:
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
OK, then, what makes someone part of your family? |
My brother would be family. How's that? |
You're avoiding the question. What makes him your brother then? Simple genetics? Is that it? Does that mean my adopted brother is not part of my family simply because we don't share the same genes? |
Funny how you mention my avoidance during your deflection. |
Deflection of what? Your answer sucks. |
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08/21/2008 06:37:57 PM · #207 |
Originally posted by Phil:
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
No, what would be hypocritical is thinking that out of tens of thousands of poor people, one deserves more aid because of his genetic relation to a potential world leader. |
He doesn't deserve more aid because his brother is a potential world leader. He deserves aid from his brother who can afford to give it to him no matter what the profession is.
If one of your kids were in a bind and the other had the means to help them wouldn't you hope they would do it no matter if they've never met. |
I wouldn't consider him a brother aside from genetics. That's not enough.
And no, I wouldn't.
Message edited by author 2008-08-21 18:38:43. |
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08/21/2008 07:56:37 PM · #208 |
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Originally posted by Phil:
If one of your kids were in a bind and the other had the means to help them wouldn't you hope they would do it no matter if they've never met. |
And no, I wouldn't. |
How sad it must be to be so bitter that you'd not want your kids to help each other.
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08/21/2008 07:59:10 PM · #209 |
But you expect strangers to provide welfare for you?
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Originally posted by Phil:
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
No, what would be hypocritical is thinking that out of tens of thousands of poor people, one deserves more aid because of his genetic relation to a potential world leader. |
He doesn't deserve more aid because his brother is a potential world leader. He deserves aid from his brother who can afford to give it to him no matter what the profession is.
If one of your kids were in a bind and the other had the means to help them wouldn't you hope they would do it no matter if they've never met. |
I wouldn't consider him a brother aside from genetics. That's not enough.
And no, I wouldn't. |
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08/21/2008 07:59:30 PM · #210 |
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Originally posted by Phil:
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Originally posted by Phil:
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
OK, then, what makes someone part of your family? |
My brother would be family. How's that? |
You're avoiding the question. What makes him your brother then? Simple genetics? Is that it? Does that mean my adopted brother is not part of my family simply because we don't share the same genes? |
Funny how you mention my avoidance during your deflection. |
Deflection of what? Your answer sucks. |
As do your ignorant attempts to bring adoption into a discussion that has nothing to do with it. Never once did I define a family member as someone who solely is born into one; however, for some reason your mind went that way instead of staying with the topic. That's deflection. |
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08/21/2008 08:01:25 PM · #211 |
Again you avoided the question at hand I did not ask you about tens of thousands of poor people compared to feeding one genetically related person I ask are you not the same person that believes in Welfare?
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Originally posted by coronamv:
Are you guys not the bunch that said we should take care of our fellow mankind... IE Welfare? Don't get me wrong I don't believe that for a moment and have been bashed for it. But now since the tables are against you suddenly things are different? Sorry to say but is that not being hipocritical? |
No, what would be hypocritical is thinking that out of tens of thousands of poor people, one deserves more aid because of his genetic relation to a potential world leader. |
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08/21/2008 08:20:39 PM · #212 |
Originally posted by Phil:
As do your ignorant attempts to bring adoption into a discussion that has nothing to do with it. Never once did I define a family member as someone who solely is born into one; however, for some reason your mind went that way instead of staying with the topic. |
Actually, yeah, you effectively did. By insisting that a brother you've never met half a world away deserves your support, you can only base that on a genetic relationship. It's a fair question then to ask what you think of an adopted brother you've grown up with all your life, yet are not actually related to genetically (or a half-brother, cousin or sister-in-law). That's not a deflection. It's a simple question of your logic. Which comes first: the total stranger you've never met who happens to be related, or the person you know as your brother despite the different genetics? If you pick either one, then it's a sad reflection on your treatment of the other. If you say both deserve your support, then you're back to the idea of helping people in general, which is precisely the alternative you criticized earlier (the welfare solution that coronamv is waving his arms about). |
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08/21/2008 08:24:23 PM · #213 |
Originally posted by coronamv:
Again you avoided the question at hand I did not ask you about tens of thousands of poor people compared to feeding one genetically related person I ask are you not the same person that believes in Welfare?
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Originally posted by coronamv:
Are you guys not the bunch that said we should take care of our fellow mankind... IE Welfare? Don't get me wrong I don't believe that for a moment and have been bashed for it. But now since the tables are against you suddenly things are different? Sorry to say but is that not being hipocritical? |
No, what would be hypocritical is thinking that out of tens of thousands of poor people, one deserves more aid because of his genetic relation to a potential world leader. |
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I don't really care what you asked about, because it's not relevant. |
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08/21/2008 08:33:37 PM · #214 |
Originally posted by Phil:
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Originally posted by Phil:
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Originally posted by Phil:
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
OK, then, what makes someone part of your family? |
My brother would be family. How's that? |
You're avoiding the question. What makes him your brother then? Simple genetics? Is that it? Does that mean my adopted brother is not part of my family simply because we don't share the same genes? |
Funny how you mention my avoidance during your deflection. |
Deflection of what? Your answer sucks. |
As do your ignorant attempts to bring adoption into a discussion that has nothing to do with it. Never once did I define a family member as someone who solely is born into one; however, for some reason your mind went that way instead of staying with the topic. That's deflection. |
You have claimed exactly that several times. This guy's only connection to Obama is through genetics, yet you say that is enough to justify supporting him as you would a brother.
What is it that makes you say makes this guy part of Obama's family if it's not solely their shared genetics? You say this guy is Obama's family, yet, now you claim that genetics alone aren't enough to make someone a family member. What else do they have that establishes brotherhood beyond their genetics?
Did they grow up in the same house? Eat at the same table? Go to the same school? Share in good times and bad? Go to ball games together? Play together? Have the same teachers?
Message edited by author 2008-08-21 20:39:12. |
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08/21/2008 08:51:53 PM · #215 |
Originally posted by scalvert:
Actually, yeah, you effectively did. By insisting that a brother you've never met half a world away deserves your support, you can only base that on a genetic relationship. It's a fair question then to ask what you think of an adopted brother you've grown up with all your life, yet are not actually related to genetically (or a half-brother, cousin or sister-in-law). That's not a deflection. It's a simple question of your logic. Which comes first: the total stranger you've never met who happens to be related, or the person you know as your brother despite the different genetics? If you pick either one, then it's a sad reflection on your treatment of the other. If you say both deserve your support, then you're back to the idea of helping people in general, which is precisely the alternative you criticized earlier (the welfare solution that coronamv is waving his arms about). |
Actually, uhhh, no, I effectively didn't. Insisting that a brother you've never met half a world away deserves your support has nothing to do with a nonexistent adopted sibling. A person being willing to spend billions of the taxpayer's dollars to aid the poor in other countries while their own brother lives in an outhouse was the point, right? I don't remember any adopted kids being brought into the mix; however, I do remember that someone had a brother born to his father over 26 years ago and he's only seen him TWICE in his life. Either way, it doesn't matter. I don't pretend to know the full story and am only filling in the blanks with my actions and how I would react. I do know that this brother was born to his father's FOURTH lady so I guess you can't expect him to feel as strongly about family ties as I would. |
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08/21/2008 08:56:27 PM · #216 |
Originally posted by Phil:
Originally posted by scalvert:
Actually, yeah, you effectively did. By insisting that a brother you've never met half a world away deserves your support, you can only base that on a genetic relationship. It's a fair question then to ask what you think of an adopted brother you've grown up with all your life, yet are not actually related to genetically (or a half-brother, cousin or sister-in-law). That's not a deflection. It's a simple question of your logic. Which comes first: the total stranger you've never met who happens to be related, or the person you know as your brother despite the different genetics? If you pick either one, then it's a sad reflection on your treatment of the other. If you say both deserve your support, then you're back to the idea of helping people in general, which is precisely the alternative you criticized earlier (the welfare solution that coronamv is waving his arms about). |
Actually, uhhh, no, I effectively didn't. Insisting that a brother you've never met half a world away deserves your support has nothing to do with a nonexistent adopted sibling. A person being willing to spend billions of the taxpayer's dollars to aid the poor in other countries while their own brother lives in an outhouse was the point, right? I don't remember any adopted kids being brought into the mix; however, I do remember that someone had a brother born to his father over 26 years ago and he's only seen him TWICE in his life. Either way, it doesn't matter. I don't pretend to know the full story and am only filling in the blanks with my actions and how I would react. I do know that this brother was born to his father's FOURTH lady so I guess you can't expect him to feel as strongly about family ties as I would. |
Yeah, you did.
Nice backpedal attempt though.
I'm sure that somewhere back in the genetic soup, the two of us are related. How about that $1000?
Message edited by author 2008-08-21 20:57:45. |
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08/21/2008 08:56:55 PM · #217 |
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Originally posted by Phil:
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Originally posted by Phil:
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Originally posted by Phil:
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
OK, then, what makes someone part of your family? |
My brother would be family. How's that? |
You're avoiding the question. What makes him your brother then? Simple genetics? Is that it? Does that mean my adopted brother is not part of my family simply because we don't share the same genes? |
Funny how you mention my avoidance during your deflection. |
Deflection of what? Your answer sucks. |
As do your ignorant attempts to bring adoption into a discussion that has nothing to do with it. Never once did I define a family member as someone who solely is born into one; however, for some reason your mind went that way instead of staying with the topic. That's deflection. |
You have claimed exactly that several times. This guy's only connection to Obama is through genetics, yet you say that is enough to justify supporting him as you would a brother.
What is it that makes you say makes this guy part of Obama's family if it's not solely their shared genetics? You say this guy is Obama's family, yet, now you claim that genetics alone aren't enough to make someone a family member. What else do they have that establishes brotherhood beyond their genetics?
Did they grow up in the same house? Eat at the same table? Go to the same school? Share in good times and bad? Go to ball games together? Play together? Have the same teachers? |
I have not claimed that several times. I have claimed that IN THIS SITUATION HE WAS BORN INTO THE FAMILY. You were the one who brought the imaginary adopted child into the discussion. A lot of people couldn't sleep at night knowing they had a brother (yes, born into the family) they met only twice that was living in a shack in Nairobi - especially if they had the means to remedy that. I guess there are also a lot of people that could. |
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08/21/2008 09:02:16 PM · #218 |
Originally posted by Phil:
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Originally posted by Phil:
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Originally posted by Phil:
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Originally posted by Phil:
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
OK, then, what makes someone part of your family? |
My brother would be family. How's that? |
You're avoiding the question. What makes him your brother then? Simple genetics? Is that it? Does that mean my adopted brother is not part of my family simply because we don't share the same genes? |
Funny how you mention my avoidance during your deflection. |
Deflection of what? Your answer sucks. |
As do your ignorant attempts to bring adoption into a discussion that has nothing to do with it. Never once did I define a family member as someone who solely is born into one; however, for some reason your mind went that way instead of staying with the topic. That's deflection. |
You have claimed exactly that several times. This guy's only connection to Obama is through genetics, yet you say that is enough to justify supporting him as you would a brother.
What is it that makes you say makes this guy part of Obama's family if it's not solely their shared genetics? You say this guy is Obama's family, yet, now you claim that genetics alone aren't enough to make someone a family member. What else do they have that establishes brotherhood beyond their genetics?
Did they grow up in the same house? Eat at the same table? Go to the same school? Share in good times and bad? Go to ball games together? Play together? Have the same teachers? |
I have not claimed that several times. I have claimed that IN THIS SITUATION HE WAS BORN INTO THE FAMILY. You were the one who brought the imaginary adopted child into the discussion. A lot of people couldn't sleep at night knowing they had a brother (yes, born into the family) they met only twice that was living in a shack in Nairobi - especially if they had the means to remedy that. I guess there are also a lot of people that could. |
Born into what family? The family that ate their meals together? Lived together? Went about their lives together? Shared triumph and tragedy together?
Their ONLY bond is through genetics. That's not what makes a family. |
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08/21/2008 09:02:37 PM · #219 |
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Originally posted by Phil:
Originally posted by scalvert:
Actually, yeah, you effectively did. By insisting that a brother you've never met half a world away deserves your support, you can only base that on a genetic relationship. It's a fair question then to ask what you think of an adopted brother you've grown up with all your life, yet are not actually related to genetically (or a half-brother, cousin or sister-in-law). That's not a deflection. It's a simple question of your logic. Which comes first: the total stranger you've never met who happens to be related, or the person you know as your brother despite the different genetics? If you pick either one, then it's a sad reflection on your treatment of the other. If you say both deserve your support, then you're back to the idea of helping people in general, which is precisely the alternative you criticized earlier (the welfare solution that coronamv is waving his arms about). |
Actually, uhhh, no, I effectively didn't. Insisting that a brother you've never met half a world away deserves your support has nothing to do with a nonexistent adopted sibling. A person being willing to spend billions of the taxpayer's dollars to aid the poor in other countries while their own brother lives in an outhouse was the point, right? I don't remember any adopted kids being brought into the mix; however, I do remember that someone had a brother born to his father over 26 years ago and he's only seen him TWICE in his life. Either way, it doesn't matter. I don't pretend to know the full story and am only filling in the blanks with my actions and how I would react. I do know that this brother was born to his father's FOURTH lady so I guess you can't expect him to feel as strongly about family ties as I would. |
Yeah, you did.
Nice backpedal attempt though. |
No I didn't.
Another nice deflection though. |
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08/21/2008 09:04:09 PM · #220 |
Originally posted by Phil:
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Originally posted by Phil:
Originally posted by scalvert:
Actually, yeah, you effectively did. By insisting that a brother you've never met half a world away deserves your support, you can only base that on a genetic relationship. It's a fair question then to ask what you think of an adopted brother you've grown up with all your life, yet are not actually related to genetically (or a half-brother, cousin or sister-in-law). That's not a deflection. It's a simple question of your logic. Which comes first: the total stranger you've never met who happens to be related, or the person you know as your brother despite the different genetics? If you pick either one, then it's a sad reflection on your treatment of the other. If you say both deserve your support, then you're back to the idea of helping people in general, which is precisely the alternative you criticized earlier (the welfare solution that coronamv is waving his arms about). |
Actually, uhhh, no, I effectively didn't. Insisting that a brother you've never met half a world away deserves your support has nothing to do with a nonexistent adopted sibling. A person being willing to spend billions of the taxpayer's dollars to aid the poor in other countries while their own brother lives in an outhouse was the point, right? I don't remember any adopted kids being brought into the mix; however, I do remember that someone had a brother born to his father over 26 years ago and he's only seen him TWICE in his life. Either way, it doesn't matter. I don't pretend to know the full story and am only filling in the blanks with my actions and how I would react. I do know that this brother was born to his father's FOURTH lady so I guess you can't expect him to feel as strongly about family ties as I would. |
Yeah, you did.
Nice backpedal attempt though. |
No I didn't.
Another nice deflection though. |
Not really. Now, how about that $1000? My shanty's a bit cramped brother. |
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08/21/2008 09:07:54 PM · #221 |
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Originally posted by Phil:
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Originally posted by Phil:
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Originally posted by Phil:
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Originally posted by Phil:
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
OK, then, what makes someone part of your family? |
My brother would be family. How's that? |
You're avoiding the question. What makes him your brother then? Simple genetics? Is that it? Does that mean my adopted brother is not part of my family simply because we don't share the same genes? |
Funny how you mention my avoidance during your deflection. |
Deflection of what? Your answer sucks. |
As do your ignorant attempts to bring adoption into a discussion that has nothing to do with it. Never once did I define a family member as someone who solely is born into one; however, for some reason your mind went that way instead of staying with the topic. That's deflection. |
You have claimed exactly that several times. This guy's only connection to Obama is through genetics, yet you say that is enough to justify supporting him as you would a brother.
What is it that makes you say makes this guy part of Obama's family if it's not solely their shared genetics? You say this guy is Obama's family, yet, now you claim that genetics alone aren't enough to make someone a family member. What else do they have that establishes brotherhood beyond their genetics?
Did they grow up in the same house? Eat at the same table? Go to the same school? Share in good times and bad? Go to ball games together? Play together? Have the same teachers? |
I have not claimed that several times. I have claimed that IN THIS SITUATION HE WAS BORN INTO THE FAMILY. You were the one who brought the imaginary adopted child into the discussion. A lot of people couldn't sleep at night knowing they had a brother (yes, born into the family) they met only twice that was living in a shack in Nairobi - especially if they had the means to remedy that. I guess there are also a lot of people that could. |
Born into what family? The family that ate their meals together? Lived together? Went about their lives together? Shared triumph and tragedy together?
Their ONLY bond is through genetics. That's not what makes a family. |
Precisely!! He let a real life blood brother live 26 years and only saw him twice.
Obviously he wasn't interested in eating meals, living with, going about their lives or sharing triumph and tragedy with his BROTHER. Sounds like a great man to lead our country!
Of course, if he says the word "change" enough times I might just be brainwashed too. |
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08/21/2008 09:10:09 PM · #222 |
Originally posted by Phil:
A person being willing to spend billions of the taxpayer's dollars to aid the poor in other countries while their own brother lives in an outhouse was the point, right? |
Why is someone's willingness to help a single stranger even an issue if he's trying to help millions of strangers in the same situation? Obama donated $240,000 to charity last year, and you're complaining that he didn't help one person he doesn't even know just because they're genetically related? Would it be OK if the guy was only his half-brother? What about a second cousin?
Most of McCain's charitable donations have gone to his kids' schools, so I guess taking care of your own is the only thing that matters. :-/ |
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08/21/2008 09:20:25 PM · #223 |
Originally posted by scalvert:
Most of McCain's charitable donations have gone to his kids' schools, so I guess taking care of your own is the only thing that matters. :-/ |
What is your source for this statement please. |
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08/21/2008 09:22:03 PM · #224 |
Originally posted by Phil:
A lot of people couldn't sleep at night knowing they had a brother (yes, born into the family) they met only twice that was living in a shack in Nairobi - especially if they had the means to remedy that. I guess there are also a lot of people that could. |
A lot of people couldn't sleep at night knowing they had ignored the plight of an entire region and handed out aid solely to those who happened to have wealthy relatives. I guess there are also a lot of people that could. |
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08/21/2008 09:22:56 PM · #225 |
Originally posted by David Ey:
Originally posted by scalvert:
Most of McCain's charitable donations have gone to his kids' schools, so I guess taking care of your own is the only thing that matters. :-/ |
What is your source for this statement please. |
Here ya go. |
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